the best languague

I just want to say that i have heard tons of people asking wats the best langauge to start with. im a pretty expirenced programmer and i just to wanted to tell everyone wat i think is the best. while c/c++ is a language that runs smothly and dosent take up much space, its one of the hardest langauges to learn. basic on the other might be a little slow but it incredibly easy to learn.

Another think i hear people say that sounds odd is, wat language should i learn "c++ or java." this is a messed up question becuase java is a langauge that you use to make internet sites while c++ is a language that u would you to make programs/games.

i hope my post has been helpful

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i hope my post has been helpful

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Well I don't agree on this part:

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java is a langauge that you use to make internet sites while c++ is a language that u would you to make programs/games.

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Java can be used to make programs/games but making a website with only java would be quite impossible (IMHO)..

I don't think there is a best language..

Only a best language for a given problem/task..

I think if u want to learn 1 lang i would recommend c/c++ and as for java i think php or perl would be better to learn

Different languages have different levels of difficulty, but this is balanced by the efficiency of the code. 'High Level' languages are a lot easier and faster to learn and create with, but you pay for this with bloated code and big, unwieldy, slow apps. The closer or 'lower' you get to machine code, the harder and longer it takes, but the more efficient the result is.

You basically have to balance your needs and desires with your time and patience. VB is an example of quite a high level language. Move on through VDelphi, VC++ (and I believe Java, although Java tends to be slow because of the translation engine) are mid-low range, and then you're looking at assembler and the like. There are also languages that are supposed to specialise in fields, like mathematical apps (eg Fortran) and accountancy (COBOL *spit* and VCobol), or testing tools (Rational Visual Test). Pascal was designed as a tool to teach developers correct coding habits.

Other than that, a bit of experience can guide you in the right direction... some developers simply don't like the feel of certain languages (I have a friend who dislikes C++ because "The syntax doesn't make sense"). Don't be afraid to pick one and learn... basic programming concepts tend to apply to all languages (a pointer by any other name...). You can always change later, and benefit from the different perspective. Your best step though, is to decide what you want to do... If you want to write a pretty poem, English or French are your best bet... but if you want to be simple and quick, Esperanto, or if you want precision and logic, perhaps Latin. You can be creative in both, but it takes a lot more work, as English and French tend to stray from quickness and accuracy... you get where I'm going :)

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Originally posted here by hacker1991
while c/c++ its one of the hardest langauges to learn.

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Actually I've seen alot of old languages harder than C/C++. To me most of the languages now days look like C syntax with slight changes though.

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Originally posted here by hacker1991
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Hummm... Sorry but no not to me. Mainly because this is nothing but a backward version of a very commonly posted thread. And what did it accomplish? We are now disscussing the same old thing over agian yet from your first post on this thread it had appeared that you didn't want this... :rolleyes:

Assemby is indeed a language,it is THE language,albeit a very simple one (or complicated depending how you look at it) And as for Perl being only a script language, so? All languages are "nothing more than a bunch of scripting" the only difference between a scripting language and a language is that one is compiled and one is interpreted at run time. Although compiled programs are faster they do not tend to be as platform independent. And as to why someone would learn Java instead of C, let me count the ways. Java uses a protected environment and code verification to run code independent of the platform via the JVM, C is compiled for specific platforms and is not protected,and does not use bytecode verification. I will now carefully avoid insulting anyone and take my leave. :) Cheers, boys.


-Maestr0




EDIT: Someone put this thread out of its misery.

hacker1991 I think you are mixing up Java Script and Java.

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im a pretty expirenced programmer and i just to wanted to tell everyone wat i think is the best.

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If you are so experienced then how can you make the following statement?

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Another think i hear people say that sounds odd is, wat language should i learn "c++ or java." this is a messed up question becuase java is a langauge that you use to make internet sites while c++ is a language that u would you to make programs/games.

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Java is used on Internet sites yes but mostly Java script is used for internet sites. Java is just as powerful as C++, in fact Java handles strings better than C++. Another thing is that Java programming is quite similar to C++ programming.

Oh and guys, Assembly programming is fun. The only thing, it's just too much code to do one little thing IMO.

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i hope my post has been helpful

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Actually to me it hasn't....

Guidance

sorry i am not much of a programmer (some java and HTML) .... but i heard the best language for beginners is Python ... any opinions ?

Java can be used for games, applets, applications, web services, all kinds of things. It is a decent beginner language since it teaches object oriented programming and c style syntax without the hang ups of pointers and memory allocation.

c and c++ are decent enough but the learning curve is a bit bigger.

I like to recommend that people learn perl, java, visual basic, c#, etc. The learning curve isn't too big, and at least 3 of the above can be used on multiple platforms (mono for c#). As long as people take the time and effort to learn good coding practices....about any language will do.

It was a good thought on trying to help others choose a first language but the only information you gave was:
c/c++ is hard
basic is slow

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Originally posted here by MemorY
sorry i am not much of a programmer (some java and HTML) .... but i heard the best language for beginners is Python ... any opinions ?

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You've got my vote. I've got 3 Python tutorials on the site for anyone interested and I actually started learning the language a week before i wrote the tutorials. It is a surprisingly simple, yet diverse langauge. You can program with the ease of basic, yet you have the power of java and c/c++.

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wat language should i learn "c++ or java."

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Why not try learning both and expand your knowledge.

I have heard also that once you know C++ it would be pretty easy to learn another programming language... any opinions?

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the_JinX
Only a best language for a given problem/task..

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so true... such as if you were creating a web page you probally wouldn't want to use something like C++ but maybe PHP because PHP is specifically designed for that task.

If you were creating a web page you wouldn't use c++. Although you could use c++ to create an application or service that creates your web pages for you, or an active x control that is used on the page, or an isapi dll or com dll that does processing.

Once you know one programming language it is easier to pick up others. Especially if you are going from one c syntax language to another.

I highly recommend picking one language (even if you have to tinker and sample a few) and sticking with it until you are proficient. Doing multiple languages at the same time, while possible, is a pain in the butt...especially for a noob.

If you need some kind of guidance, i highly recommend picking up a certification guide for a related cert if there is one (such as the sun java programmer cert), even if you don't ever go after the cert. They have different levels to work with (noob, medium, guru) and give a structured path to work with. And then while working that path, play around with what you are learning and see which of your ideas work and which don't.

I also highly recommend picking up this book (The Practice of Programming) - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

It is great for improving your coding style beyond the syntax of the language.

And definitely go beyond the message boards to see what different languages are good for. Opinions are rampant, and not always educated. You see far too much "java is only good for web pages" and ".net is just a java rip off" and "visual basic is horribly slow"....all of which are totally incorrect.