How is this site funded?
Has the AO community ever offered the service of its experts for commercial gain. I would imagine that it would be a good source of funds.
Any comments welcome.
Steve
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How is this site funded?
Has the AO community ever offered the service of its experts for commercial gain. I would imagine that it would be a good source of funds.
Any comments welcome.
Steve
This site is privately owned by JupiterMedia. If you click on the http://www.internet.com you can learn all about them. I believe a large portion of their "funds" is acquired through advertisement.
I don't know if their is truly an opportunity for "consultation" (at least not yet, IMHO).
Perhaps we could set up a pay pal donation button on the site for those people who would like to reward the community for the help they have received.Quote:
Originally posted here by MsMittens
This site is privately owned by JupiterMedia. If you click on the http://www.internet.com you can learn all about them. I believe a large portion of their "funds" is acquired through advertisement.
I don't know if their is truly an opportunity for "consultation" (at least not yet, IMHO).
Might get a few $ from the truely grateful.
Just a though.
Steve
Well steve one of the things about th site that kinda makes it so well liked is the fact that it is free. I mean come on 90% of the questions taht get answered are simple the person just doesn't think about it. Now the ten 10% that are hard I personally like it when a person has exhausted all there resources and then asks a question. It makes me feel kinda good to know that there are people that actually care and it would be wrong to request that they pay for that help. I mean on the other side of it a lot of us members ask questions and asnwer questions so do you expect s to pay whe we are the very people answering the questions.
By the way Jupmed is making plenty off this baby. I don't think they would have aproblem with that idea though. LOL
Whizkid2300
Actually, if you want to thank someone the antipoints are one way to do it. It is your way to thank someone for helping out. :DQuote:
Originally posted here by steve.milner
Perhaps we could set up a pay pal donation button on the site for those people who would like to reward the community for the help they have received.
Might get a few $ from the truely grateful.
Just a though.
Steve
Yeah, but ATM my points are worth squat, which is a good job since it seems I've just neged someone, when I intened to pos.Quote:
Originally posted here by MsMittens
Actually, if you want to thank someone the antipoints are one way to do it. It is your way to thank someone for helping out. :D
<sigh> Life, don't talk to me about life... </sigh>
Steve
Well Steve once you get to fifty they start to count don't feel bad think everyone has done that atleast once.
I know I have just go back and assign them points on another one of there post if your content on giving them posts, and even though your points don't count.
Poeple like hearing Thank You.
Whizkid2300
Hehehe.. actually, be glad it happened now rather than later. I've done it a few times and mine *count* (painfully too sometimes). Just send them a note and say you hit the wrong button. AFAIK, everyone understands. :DQuote:
Originally posted here by steve.milner
Yeah, but ATM my points are worth squat, which is a good job since it seems I've just neged someone, when I intened to pos.
<sigh> Life, don't talk to me about life... </sigh>
Steve
And don't worry. With time, you will have enough to make a difference.
Yeah there is really no need to have a "donate" button. I mean it would help JupM out yes, but what about the people making the posts... it would get down to the fact that there would be a money war I bet. For the fact that there are people here at AO that don't like JupM, and they would not like to be going out and posting and posting and only having JupM gain the rewards... in my own opinion.
For me personally, I wouldn't care. I would think if people were making donations, that is their money and their choice. Maybe then JupM would even start going some more perks to the domain (not that I can think of any off the top of my head). For me coming here and helping out, and getting help when I ask, that's the reward in itself. All the APs I get, the perks of the "special" forum, etc are just a bonus to me.
But it's all an interesting thought...
~AciD
AO is free, in all meanings you can give to this term. I would understand such "contributions" if help and answers would be given by JupM staff, but it is not the case.
We are all of us people going here for the pleasure to learn and to help others freely, without any other gain that the feeling to belong to the comunity, to speak with interesting persons about interesting stuffs, and to help occasionally when we have the knowledge to do it.
We should avoid all those sorts of money cr*p. We have already enough discord topics without searching to create more of them.
I truly agree with that!Quote:
Originally posted here by KissCool
We should avoid all those sorts of money cr*p. We have already enough discord topics without searching to create more of them.
~AciD
Okay, I think I need to add a little clarification, now I know how the site is funded.
I had assumed it was run by the 'AO Community' or a couple of founding members or similar. I had thought the fees/donations could have been used to contribute to hardware, kit, supporting the hardowking volunteer developers etc.,etc.. (I think I picked up this idea from a post about selling mugs & mouse mats or something) I wasn't actually thinking about huge wads of cash changing hands nor trying to make the whole thing commercial.
Okay now for a few more questions.
Since JupM 'own' this site, how do enhancments like the anti-point messages or <plugs own request> news feeds </plugs own request> get decided upon and developed?
What do members believe JupM's motivations for hosting this site are?
How can the members of this site best influence its development?
If anyone thinks this is gonna start a flame war ignore the message, PM me or set up a conference & I'll move there, or for that matter email:
post at stephen-milner dot me dot uk
Ok steve it is basicly considered that Jupmed bought the website for complete profit. That's what companies do and the fact that they will change anything, they will chagne it becuase it could interfere with thre profit. I could be wrong but that is just natural Big Business ethics and rules I mean think about it if oyu can advertise make your money back and leave everything how it already was wouldn;t you don't ahve to spend any more money. So maybe it has a chance of things being different but I doubt it. That is the main reason why a lot of us have problems with funding the website besides coming because Jupmed probably doesn't care what the site looks llike. As long as the Site Membership numbers and visit numbers stay up. Nof if Jupmed in my opinion cared then maybe. But remember the people that you are getting your answers from aren't Jupmed it is us. So if you want ot pay me for helping you out save it send me a pm or if you think I deserve it give me some points.
If it starts a flame I got a key in my box I'm and I will post the key and everyone that wants to talk can come. I have a question I thought that you didn't get the ability to start a Room until you become a Junior.
Whizkid2300
Help!Quote:
Originally posted here by MsMittens
Actually, if you want to thank someone the antipoints are one way to do it. It is your way to thank someone for helping out. :D
I gave out my first antipoint that counted. It was a pos & now the site is giving me greif about being unballanced. (Okay I've known that for years!).
Last time I neged someone (when it didn't count) retaliation occured, before I had chance to apologise for making a mistake. (Please note the FAQ still says anitpoints are anon.)
What are the unwritten rules for neging <sp?> someone (when I mean to do it this time) without incurring too much wrath
Don't worry about the unbalanced bit. That will go within time.
In fact, don't stress on the antipoints. They are nice to give out and sometimes suck when you get negs but don't take them to heart.
The FAQ hasn't been updated to reflect the change done recently to remove the anonymous-ness of APs.
Give APs as you feel is appropriate.
Dunno, just apeared on my site benefits thingy.Quote:
Originally posted here by whizkid2300
I have a question I thought that you didn't get the ability to start a Room until you become a Junior.
As for starting real trouble (watch me get banned by JupM) if people don't like supporting JupM's evil financial empire ;) Couldn't we all just move, set up another site etc.
I sort of like it here and it doesn't bother me too much that someone is making money out of this.
I'm probably just naieve though.
Well the raeson that I ask is because I thought that you go tit when you became a junior I am probably wrong oh well. As for setting up another site there are plenty. www.hackerslab.org www.hacker.com sorry my area of expertise. There are plenty of security sites. The thing about the system bitching at you forget about it whenever you are extreme it shows that.
So sit back relax and tell a joke.
whizkid2300 ..*sits back and has a drink of his Coke.*
Whizkid2300
Okay, see the humour forum - Ono Balono Tales.Quote:
Actually, according to some ethics of big business in the computer industry. If you provide free services (such as AO) and put your link at the bottom of every page, then more than likely, people are going to see that link, click it, and surf the business website. Consider it like a type of site stickyness if you will.Quote:
As long as the Site Membership numbers and visit numbers stay up.
Not to mention. Many people seem to think that when a business offers free services (and soemtimes they offer lots of freebies) the site gains instant credibility because of the amount of people that constantly visit it on a daily basis, and those that use it and help support it.
So just having AO on their server/s helps them advertise their business.
I personally agree with whizkid, if AO became a source info for cash, then it would break into a financial problem for those of us who just need help. I believe that information should be free, for our society to come togehther, we must share. As sharing is part of a good relationship. Besides, if AO became a financially run info source, we would have to change the site motto to "Anti-Online, A Penny For Your Thoughts!".Quote:
Originally posted here by whizkid2300
Well steve one of the things about th site that kinda makes it so well liked is the fact that it is free. I mean come on 90% of the questions taht get answered are simple the person just doesn't think about it. Now the ten 10% that are hard I personally like it when a person has exhausted all there resources and then asks a question. It makes me feel kinda good to know that there are people that actually care...I mean on the other side of it a lot of us members ask questions and asnwer questions so do you expect s to pay whe we are the very people answering the questions.