It is absolutely ILLEGAL

The file sharing wav (no pun intended) has become worrisome; is it or is it not safe to use peer to peer file sharing clients to download music??? The RIAA is pulling every stop they can to catch those who are infringing on copyright laws. Here are some links I came across myself. You be the judge.


It is absolutely ILLEGAL for anyone to hack into your computer in hopes of finding copywritten material on it!

TITLE 18 , PART I , CHAPTER 47 , Sec. 1030.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1030.html


Internet Privacy Law

http://www.netatty.com/privacy/privacy.html

They don't need to hack into your computer to know that you're (illegally) downloading of p2p-networks... all they need is a law that allows them to consult ISP-logs... oh wait...
And if there is a law that allows them to find out who is downloading from let's say Kazaa, then there probably also is a law that makes it illegal to download from Kazaa (oh wait... :/)... if it is illegal to download from Kazaa, and if the RIAA is allowed to find out about it, then there probably also is a law that allows them to confiscate your box... they wouldn't be hacking your box, they'd be sueing your ass because you're breaking the law... and that'd be legal... unlike (illegally!) downloading music...

My logic might be flawed, though :)

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Originally posted here by Negative
They don't need to hack into your computer to know that you're (illegally) downloading of p2p-networks... all they need is a law that allows them to consult ISP-logs... oh wait...

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But don't they need an IP to do that... ?

Is it illegal to get a computer's IP addy? ;)

An IP? To do what? To find the ISP's? They're in the Yellow Pages...
Or do you connect to another's computer without using your ISP? P2P doesn't literally mean point-2-point... unless you have a lot of money, you'll need your ISP :/
Kazaa is a network that doesn't (unlike Napster) use central servers. That doesn't mean you don't need an ISP, though... :/

Umm.. ok? I think you misunderstood my statement... don't they need your IP to figure out what ISP you're using...? Or do they just go to ISP's and request logs for every customer?

The method used by the RIAA does not in any way that I know of involve "hacking" your computer in any way. Getting your IP is not illegal...it only becomes illegal when an exploit is used to access your system.

Just my .02....

Allenb already answered your question...

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Or do they just go to ISP's and request logs for every customer?

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Err....yes :)

they wont ever be able to stop everyone from us P2P.
look,if the US of A decided that they the RIAA what they want and make themtake logs and what ever.The company/program would then probably move to a foreign nation(only on paper,if you know what i mean) and then there is no way that the US of A could force them to take logs , and if they cant take logs they cant find the ppl downloading it , so they have to go
DOOR to DOOR and check each and every box.


So now my prediction is , since you ARE AMERICA, and AMERICa is known for making stupid laws then making the world believe that those laws are good, i would say

There will be a LICENSE that ppl have to get , guess what, not any license, a license
with the name :COMPUTER-LICENSE.

Thats how i see it, now think if you had to register your PC(jus like your TV, and CAR) then
they would probably make a "agreement" that they have full right to inspect your computer at any time.

Now, if they had full right over your computer,they would design a program/system that would continuely search ,via internet connection, through all of these registered PC's for any "illigle"
material, like trjans,porn,music,EVEN personal OFFENSIVE TEXT FILES(wich may "effect the gov")

then its WORLD WAR E, like they say,ONLY IN AMERICA

NO AMERICANS WERE HURT DURING THE MAKING OF THIS POST ;)(except for Mr.Bush,but he aint AMERICAN :))

No offense was meant to anyone.
CHEERS
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HEy ive got an idea guys. Dont worry about it. if you are not breaking any laws then the RIAA and DCMA have absolutely nothing to do with you. It seems to me that the only people who would be worried about this are the people who have something to hide. As for your question jag they could do it any nhumber of ways. Look at what mettalica did with napster. They had a group of people go through and search for people with metallica files and then submited that list of names to napsters administration. It wouldnt be that much harder to do that with individual isp's. and no its not illegat to find out someones ip address. If it was why would windows ship with "netstat"? Ive allready recieved a e-mail from my isp regarding this subject. It was just a form letter that they sent to all their customers. It basicaly said that if the RIAA comes to this with evidence that a certain ip is pirating music and warez they WILL give the RIAA information nescesary to prosecute. So for all you folks out there that want to continue this illegal activity the just remeber BIG BROTHER is watching and the people that provide your bandwidth tocommit this crime may turn into your undoing.

Just my $.02

What is so important about music that people can't just do without it?
If a significant number of fans simply refused to buy another CD until the
matter was resolved acceptably, those RIAA weasles would be kissing a lot
of A$$ overnight. Problem solved.
:cool:

P.S. If they could get their way, they would make it illegal for you to remember
a song and hum it to yourself, so I take with a grain of salt all the tough talk about
file sharing being "illegal".
:cool:

Just don't whine if you are stealing, and it is stealing, copyrighted music if you are caught. They are only testing the laws right now and trying to scare people from using the p2p programs. On kazaa alone there are probably more people filesharing right now than there are people in the U.S. And that is just kazaa.

I'm not copying the music exactly as it is from the CD, I'm making a copy of significantly inferior quality (128kbps) which could be considered analogous to radio.

Dave Matthews Band (the band members themselves) take in an absolutely extraordinary amount of money considering their relative popularity to the average superstar pop act, simply because your average big label screws the average band they sign. Bands getting as little as $2 from each record they sell, etc. etc. Hell they make money off blank cd's that get sold. Record companies are making plenty and should shut up about p2p especially considering there's jackshit they can do about it.

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Originally posted here by EINzTEIN
There will be a LICENSE that ppl have to get , guess what, not any license, a license
with the name :COMPUTER-LICENSE.

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What a fantastic idea that is. Cut down on script kiddies no end if a registration was required to own a computer & you had to supply enough details to make yourself traceable.


And we could make people put 'L' plates on their machines, posts & websites etc. until they've passed a proficiency and good manners test.
:killcompu

OK, here's the down-and-dirty, simplified version of getting information legally from an ISP.

The ISPs not required by law to give any of your information to the authorities without due process of law. Most ISPs won't anyway. This form of due process comes in the way of a subpoena. The issuing agency will serve the subpoena to the ISP, and the ISP has a certain amount of time to produce the documents the agency has requested. The ISP DOES NOT have to inform you that they turned over your records to a law enforcement agency.

The only way you'll know about possible discosure ahead of time is if the ISP has a disclosure clause in their Service Agreement. Then, they might not even ask for a subpoena to dislclose your records. However, they must make this discosure clause clear in their service agreement, and if it is, you can take no action against the ISP for giving up your records. Neither can you take action against the ISP for complying with a subpoena.

This is all very well but do any of you know people that have been convicted of piracy from p2p programs? I havent met nor heard of anyone being arrested for using kazaa. Also, if the law was to state that noone could file share due to piracy then they would have to shut down msn messenger, aol, irc, icq as these programs hav the ability to share files between users.

People have to get used to the idea that the internet is file sharing, whether it be downloading html through your browser or sending e-mail to downloading the latest $500 program from kazaa its all the same.

Some websites have copyrite on their pages... this makes no sence as when you view the page, it is downloaded into your computer and copied from the server.

P2P is just focussing on one aspect of file sharing and because it is right infront of people's noses now doesnt make it any different to what had already been happening when the internet first started.

This is just the beginning for the music/movie industry. They are watching the progress made by DirecTV in their civil actions against end users.

DirecTV has filed a civil lawsuit against a user (UMP) for simply TALKING about hacking. Although this would seem against the constitutional amendment governing free speech, UMP must still hire a lawyer and answer the charges in court or he will loose everything he owns via a default judgement.

DirecTV has made it clear that they intend to financially destroy any end user SUSPECTED of (or even talking about) hacking their signal.

So far, their tactics have worked very well as thousands of forum members SUSPECTED of hacking have been sued and have settled the lawsuit for an approximate sum of 3500 dollars.

Soon, anyone coming here and asking how to hack Hotmail will be tracked via their ISP and sued by Microsoft.

Don't get me wrong. I'm against theft and malicious hacking. However, the lawyers are going too far and........it's going to get worse...a lot worse, so.....get ready.

This time I believe the industry and their greedy lawyers (which always get a cut, either in percentage or exorbitant fees) have overstepped the bounds of good sense.

We need a change in the legal system so groups can't "buy" prearranged verdicts like these.

Where i use to work i did litigation copying for lawyers of major companys and i did work for a major recording company once you would not believe who and what they sue for.To me they just money hungry A$$holes. it's not artists against artists it's RIAA against artists and now it's RIAA against filig sharing. b/c they are not making a profit from it.


If i want i download music anytime i want and listen to it in the privacy of my home.and let them say i can't. :rolleyes:

P.S i always though that piracy was making a profit on copyrighted material (a.k.a) bootleg :)

just adding my 2 cents

http://www.eff.org/

An excellent way to see if you've made their list. Make sure all user names are submitted.


I apologize in advance for posting in an older thread. It annoys me to no end when n00bs do it in my forums, but I feel this link has a positive impact on its usefulness value.

No, the RIAA is not hacking your box, and when you use the Internet, you get an IP which is broadcasted. Also you shared a folder with the world, so you basically give permission for anybody to download from it unless you specify a rule to block certain people out.

I do not see RIAA breaking any laws here; there is a difference between controversial and illegal.