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Omar bin Bakri Muhammad, the group's leader, told the London Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq al-Awsat that participants will discuss the motives of the hijackers, whom he called "heroes."
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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3829-1065r.htmQuote:
Omar bin Bakri Muhammad, the group's leader, told the London Arabic newspaper Al-Sharq al-Awsat that participants will discuss the motives of the hijackers, whom he called "heroes."
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This is sad, and not because I agree with america's and Britain's stance or actions, but because these people have respect for life itself. Truly sad beings.
Wow, I really am speechless...
And is it me or does this article praise these hijackers little right to expression???
I don't think they'd like my form of expression :D .
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me want to grab a trusty M4A1 and eliminate these blood thirsty cowards from existance.
Lol, yea, I see it. But I was caught in the moment of anger what can I say. Just like any person I know we all say things out of terms sometimes. Escpecially when they just woke up. :)
In all seriousness however, this really does hit a nerve.
the Radical...
One of the 4 conferences is being held in Birmingham UK - my HOME city and where I live. I find that sentiment of yours as offense as you would if I had said a similar thing to you - do you ****ing well mind! Please let me make it clear I've got NO sympathy at all for the people holding the conference. However your statement shows precisely why a lot of europeans are annoyed with the US - you object when someone crashes a plane into buildings on your territory but as soon as someone disagrees with you, you appear to be quite happy to crash a plane into a building on someone elses territory. A case of double standards if ever I saw it!Quote:
I REALLY hope that someone smashes a plane into THIER little conference building and we'll see who the HELL likes it NOW!
I know it was said in the heat of the moment by your last post, but treating the post quite so flippantly doesn't do you any favours either. Of all people I would have thought you would have shown a bit more sense. Let me say it again I HAVE NO SYMPATHY with the people holding the conference and on Septemebr 11th I may well be one of those people protesting outside the conference hall. You make unthinking statements like the above and wonder why people who might be your allies decide to stand against you? I know you recognise it as an unthinking statement .... but where's the apology?
I guess I'm going to get the **** negged out of me now (even if this is in cosmos) but I cannot let your comments go unanswered from this side of the water.
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Yes I was pretty much venting and I do apologize I just can't find a reason why they would want to celebrate this. It baffles my mind but I do realize it is what they believe.
Why would you get negged for that, you are in the right here I was in the wrong. I should have thought before I posted that commnent.
These bastards have some nerve. They'll get whats coming to them soon enough.Quote:
A poster touting the event to be held at four locations in England includes photographs of the al Qaeda hijackers and refers to them as "The Magnificent 19" — a word play on the 1960 film "The Magnificent Seven."
Who are they kidding? It's no surprise in my mind, their own book teaches the hatred of Jew's and Non-muslims alike.Quote:
Islam a religion of peace
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I understand where your coming from, this crap did happen to my country and i would'nt wish it on another. Your feelings are completely understandable.Quote:
I guess I'm going to get the **** negged out of me now (even if this is in cosmos) but I cannot let your comments go unanswered from this side of the water.
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I felt like doing a million things to those bastards after 9-11; i'm glad Uncle Sam did it on our behalf! ! !
Home of the brave land of the free! :D
Radical... apology accepted... no hard feelings. I don't know why they would want to celebrate it either. If it's of any comfort, where I work has a fair few muslims so I've been getting getting their thoughts on the whole issue (there's quite a high population in Birmingham UK - one of the reasons why one of the conferences is being held here) and they can't understand the fanatical muslim reaction either. A lot of moderate muslims think 9/11 was appalling too.
Why would I get negged - well we've both been around AO about the same length of time -you know as well as I do how some members react. But as long as we're cool that's all that matters as far as I'm concerned.
Framework... Islam is in some respects similar to Christianity in that there are some bad apples who bring down the rest. Not all muslims are arseholes, many of them around here are just as appalled as 9/11 as every civilsed person was. I don't think you can call the terrorists anything other than what they are - terrorists. And as terrorists they should rightly be punished for commiting unacceptable acts.
If I can I will try and go to this conference (doubt I'll get in though since I'm a white non muslim but we'll see) and see just what they say.
Z
Well, that's true, bad apples tend to get the headlines. I'm just stating a known fact, the Quran openly teaches the hatred of Jews and non-muslims.Quote:
Framework... Islam is in some respects similar to Christianity in that there are some bad apples who bring down the rest. Not all muslims are arseholes, many of them around here are just as appalled as 9/11 as every civilsed person was. I don't think you can call the terrorists anything other than what they are - terrorists. And as terrorists they should rightly be punished for commiting unacceptable acts.
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"Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119)
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"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
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"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
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"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)
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"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)
This is all taken from the Quran, this is why i say Islam is not a religion of peace. Their book speaks for itself.Quote:
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
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Nonetheless Zonewalker, your point is correct.
Regardless of what the Quran teaches, or how they feel about the events of Sep. 11, they are still people, and deserve to be shown the same respect for life that every human on this planet should get.
Smashing a plane into their building will not solve anything, and will most likely instigate MORE attacks.
As Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
The Quran and a human being are two seperate things. I am referring to the Quaran, not necessarily any particular race. Obviously the majority of middle easterners are mostly muslim, but that's beside the point. Your right, people are people.Quote:
Regardless of what the Quran teaches, or how they feel about the events of Sep. 11, they are still people, and deserve to be shown the same respect for life that every human on this planet should get.
In the Christian bible, it says believers are never to be "yoked" with non-believers, I can't be arsed to look it up, but I believe you'll find it in Romans somewhere. And check out a few of the "dirty Gentile" comments made in the old Testament. Right up the same alley.
And has anyone seen Pat Robertson lately? Anyone remember the "gays are getting what they deserve" comments about AIDS? Anyone remember what a racist bigot (yes, I know it's redundant, but I couldn't think of anything else to call him that wasn't a curse word) he is? And he's on TV, with his own news/advice/talk show. Makes me wanna puke.
I live in a community w/ a surprisingly large number of Arabs, given my location. They are the most decent people you could ever hope to meet. They are kind, they love their children just like we do, they work just like we do, they want what we want. Their holy book teaches no more violence than the christian bible does. Let's not be selective when criticizing religions. Go thru the old testament sometime and read the number of wars that the christian god ordered fought on his behalf against anyone who worshipped someone else.
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In the Christian bible, it says believers are never to be "yoked" with non-believers, I can't be arsed to look it up, but I believe you'll find it in Romans somewhere.
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1 Corinthians 7:12-16 (ESV)
To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace. Wife, how do you know whether you will save your husband? Husband, how do you know whether you will save your wife?
Yes debwalin, there are some arabs out there that are very nice people. I don't mind being around arabs, blacks, chinesse, or anybody for that matter, but if I'm around someone who praises 19 terrorists for killing a bunch of innocent men, children, and women, for their cause then I have a problem being around them.
I personally think that this conference should be revoked and not allowed to happen. I know then that people will start saying, your violating my right to free speech, but what would you Englanders think if someone blew up a bunch of builldings in Downtown London, then wanted to celebrate next year calling the people who did it "heroes".?
Then they should be allowed to celebrate. When the government takes away the right of one person to express him/herself, then the rights of everyone else soon follows
What about putting them in jail for a night or two. :)Quote:
Then they should be allowed to celebrate.
I have a feeling people would'nt take to me if i was in charge. :rofl:
I dont agree with US policy but this is terrible.
I hope you guys who live nearby will be protesting at these meetings to show your frustration and feelings about these 'events'.
Two years since Sept 11th, its mad how time passes, a real tradegy.
True, so all the more reason for you guys to express your own opinions!Quote:
Then they should be allowed to celebrate. When the government takes away the right of one person to express him/herself, then the rights of everyone else soon follows
I was going to say ban the conference but.... devilmech is right... however much I dislike to say it, these people do have the right to express their opinions and we shouldn't take that away until they commit a criminal act. Just so long as I can express mine too.... Ennis assuming all goes well I shall be there expressing my opinions :firedevil
Cheyenne.... I know MI5, Scotland yard and the local authorities are keeping a close eye on these events... I think the reason they have not banned them from going ahead yet is so that they can gather information on sympathisers.
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PS the conferences are being staggered by the look of things, the one in Birmingham is taking place on Sept 12th and ...errr.... if anyone's interested this is the website of the group organising the events
http://www.almuk.com/obm/events.html
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if anyone's interested this is the website of the group organising the events
http://www.almuk.com/obm/events.html
Here I come nmap :D
Oh and one good thing out of all this is that the authorities can spot likely terrorists and affiliates as well as sympathesisers.
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Oh and one good thing out of all this is that the authorities can spot likely terrorists and affiliates as well as sympathesisers.
Exactamundo. The people in question exercise their right to hold the meetings, the people protesting it exercise their right to disagree with the meetings, and the government gets a nice list of people who might do the same thing in the future. Everyone wins
I have always wondered what was happening in the minds or some of our Middle Eastern members of the human race. I have actually lived there from time to time and have made great friends from both people who follow the Christian and Islamic faith. This site does just as I desired. I read every piece of information I could find. They actually believe the US and UK are trying to eradicate all people of Islamic faith. They also hold above all else that man made laws are evil and pollute the world. Only divine laws should be followed and they seek a way to change the course of human society from man made to divine. They also believe that the US and the UK are attempting what we call "ethnic cleansing" in other countries, aimed specifically at Islam. There is much more evil that this group is insisting that is happening in western culture. I knew this train of though already, having lived in foreign places, but I have never actually read any literature outside of peaceful religious and political media.
Many of you have posted comments about how you cannot see how someone could celebrate such an atrocity that was delivered to the American People that day. In their minds we commit atrocities everyday, with an evil vengeance. I can see where they could come up with a point of view like that, however it is severely misguided and critical.
Those 19 hijackers are murderers in my mind. They killed innocent people from all nationalities, including children. But according to these people, who actually celebrate the event, it's an eye for and eye. They are going to pray to Allah, that these people be given paradise because, according to their thinking, it is a major event that will turn the course of the world and set the way for change and freedom from our persecution and murdering of their own children and hundreds or thousands of people. Like our own similar events in history. They actually think the USA is trying to eliminate them from the earth. It reminds me of government conspiracy radicals and even religious Christian radicals who murder doctors in the name of god and Christ.
They are all mentally ill and dangerously misguided.
Religeous beliefs aside... murdering thousands of innocents, based on just reasons or not, is entirely, undeniably wrong. For those hijackers there is no punishment harsh enough for justice. And for anyone to celebrate the act of the killings is a slap in the face to anyone with two brain cells and a shred of goodwill. Political views and religeous beliefs seem to cloud the cold hard facts... people died that day. To celebrate the deaths of a thousand innocents is beyond words, quite fitting for the title "I'm speechless"
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Exactamundo. The people in question exercise their right to hold the meetings, the people protesting it exercise their right to disagree with the meetings, and the government gets a nice list of people who might do the same thing in the future. Everyone wins
Its true, the Arabs have right to bom the Americans, just as the Americans have right to bom the Arabs.
Remember the Americans have killed innocent women and children too in Iraq, Middle East and in Vietnam, Hiroshima etc.
Is the 3000 killed in America outweighing the 10000 's killed outside America?
does the need of the one outweigh the many ? Does the whole world or Americans need to suffer, because 3000 people died?
Why terrorism exists? Because we let it to! PRIDE? Because of an An eye for an eye!
Remember As Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
We are so blind now that: -
- We scared of power cut
-Scared to go on the plane etc
-Scared of foreigners
We should learn to respect one another's difference and live and enjoy the world we are in.
Not all civilisations are in the same category of progress, those who lag behind should be given the chance to learn and catch up rather than imposing or forcing them to change. The tool to do it is education and Internet was the key to it. But now it is used to terrorise one another.
Religions teach good things such as not to kill, but politicians and bogus religious leaders use them to brain wash their citizens and followers. We are actually witnessing that in America and in Middle East.
Patriotism is evil.It will make you feel that you are better than others.It will stop you from having an open mind.It will cause hatred when others dont agree with you.It will cause you to agree with all the actions even though you dont agree will some of them.(Remember Hitler, remember Nazi Germany, many people could not say no because it was too late)Patriotism is one of the tools used by dictators(Look at history and you'll see)
We only live 100 years, lets learn to love and work together to move forward.
Say
No to terrorism
No to Religion and Yes to God (if you believe in one or two)
No to political crap
No Patriotism
No to religion fanatics
No to Racial Hatred
No to Religious Hatred
No to Bin Ladin
No to Bush
Dont let anyone Brainwash you, think for yourself ! You dont need to be in the majority to be right !
Asta La Vista Baby!
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Question for all of you who are speachless at those who call the 9/11 hijackers heros, how do you fell about the people calling Paul Hill a hero and a mayter?
You don't have to be muslim to be a compleate tool.
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Question for all of you who are speachless at those who call the 9/11 hijackers heros, how do you fell about the people calling Paul Hill a hero and a mayter?
You don't have to be muslim to be a compleate tool.
There are no heros in real life, just perpetrators, victims, and bystanders
thay are all twisted idiots...
Nightfalls_Girl
I really have nothing at this point to add to the discussion. Seems to me we have heard it all before.
Cheers.
carful there, I can show you plenty of western religious nut job murderers (some of whom beet teh 9/11 kill total). This isn't a middle eastern issue its a human one.Quote:
Originally posted here by RoadClosed
I have always wondered what was happening in the minds or some of our Middle Eastern members of the human race