This one makes me laugh.......

I can see all the hard-core P2Per's rushing to fill out that affadavit..... ;)

RIAA Amnesty

LOL, I cant think of a single person who would do this, its such crap.

LAUGHING MY ASS OFF ROLLING ON THE FLOOR! :D....uh uh...let me go first...let me go get a notarized note saying that i'm illegaly downloading songs. MUHAHHAHHAAAA DIE RIAA DIE!

Who thinks this is going to work?

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Hmmmm... let's see, they want people to admit guilt for something that they're doing because of principal? Because it's 'bad'? Because they're frustrated that they lack all control?

Not likely, guys. If anything, I'd say it'd be the last option there.

Let's face facts here, shall we? I *DON'T* download and distribute musical content, I just download it to listen. For me. No one else. A thing that annoys me with the recording industry in general is that ANY copying is classed as illegal. You're not allowed to make 'backup' copies of your music CDs as you are able to do with software. Why the hell should I purchase a CD that may be inoperable in ten years time? Once you pay for the digital content, why should you have to fork out a second payment if the medium that carries that content fails?

They shouuld maybe come up with some kind of system where by instead of buying a physical 'thing' (such as CD or [shudder] cassette), you buy a 'key' that allows you to download the content to your system for immediate burning to CD. You could be permitted to 'update' your disk in say, two years, if it develops scratches or the dog chews it up, or something like that.

</IMHO>

IMHO I think the RIAA can come up with something better than that. Why would anyone agree to this. They want people to delete their music and agree not to download anymore.

That's really funny. Maybe the RIAA was trying to make people laugh.

Guidance...

i dont think they really expect people do do it they just want to be able to say they gave them the opportunity. if they cant function in the world as it is they have no right to be in it. theres no reason why the whole world must change or go to jail because the recording industry dosn't fit in...change the recording industry.

Do ya think these ppl. could be anymore arrogant? They are just conceding the fact that they will never stop the hard core D'loaders.

Lemme just go and fill out that form lol.

Lamers.

:cool:

Hmmmmm... I dont think that this amnesty agreement really does much good in any way. If you fill it out it guarentees they wont sue you as long as you delete your files and promise not to do it any more. YAWN... yea. As long as there is an internet there will be piracy and they will never manage to stop all of it. And the RIAA dosent represent all music labels so it can only speak for certain record labels. And they use the words "confess" and "infringement" like we (who download music) have done something terribly wrong. I dont think we ripped off the music companies as bad as they say, i still bought records of artists when i heard some of their music. Plus with all the money they receive from MTV, radio play, music in movies and in commercials, they get their moneys worth. Hasent anyone seen Cribs? Does it look like they are hurting for money?

I think they have a list of people they are ready to go after and they want to give them a chance at, whats the word again, amnesty, before they sue them to death. Who knows, maybe they have agents hanging around chat rooms, starting chats about downloading music so the can get more names. Hmmmm, I stopped downloading music a long time age and have delete ALL my music. OK that should do it. And my name IS Fred Brown.

Fred Brown> Giving your full name out on the internet isn't the best idea.

Anyway, yeah, I have to say it is quite amusing. But it might snare a few people who honestly believe they're going to be hunted down by the RIAA. And hey, by all means they might be, but if you take a few steps like delete all music off your hard drive and then delete any trace of kazaa (throwing in putting your music on a cd ;)) there's little evidence against you.

Not to mention the fact that in my opinion federal action will not be taken against individual P2P users. Why? Well, even if you can build a huge case against someone, once they microwave their hard drive there's little physical evidence against them. Anonymity is the key to succeeding in the world of P2P. I say we start an underground system of IRC file sharing :)

-Joe

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They shouuld maybe come up with some kind of system where by instead of buying a physical 'thing' (such as CD or [shudder] cassette), you buy a 'key' that allows you to download the content to your system for immediate burning to CD. You could be permitted to 'update' your disk in say, two years, if it develops scratches or the dog chews it up, or something like that.
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That is a good idea for awhile, untill people figure out the generating process and distribute their own coders to allow access to music.

I think the code name for this undergroud file exchange should be "operation we arent sharing files" because then no one would ever think to look there. lol

In many ways I agree with deathknee, as I too download songs which I then burn but I do not distribute unless they're songs such as techno and trance. I dont even download that many songs anyways. What RIAA is doing is messed up. Can someone distribute copies of that form on kazzaaa please so i can get one :D. lol

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have to be straight and admit that I am way too old for this kind of stuff..........that is, downloading music.........my wife and I buy a few CDs a year and that is about the end of it.

However, there was a Gentleman who posted earlier, who had it about right IMHO when he said that you can copy software for security purposes, but not music............maybe the LAW should protect consumers?.....if your CD does not play..............they have to replace it AND REFUND POSTAGE?..................then they might even be looking up at the moral high ground................but somehow i doubt it :mad:

Theft is theft; but not all of those who steal are called thieves?

cheers

I think we had a long line of threads on this not to long age. I have not down loaded a song for well over a year waiting to see what happens in the up coming law suit. And i went and deleted all my songs that I downloaded. I only play the ones I have bought on cd. Well, we will have to wait and see what happens. I feel it's ok for one's own use, but not for sale. But that's my thoughts.

Freddy

LOL who was it that was asking about real time chat on this page? here it is, since I posted last about 3 mins ago two more people have posted. thats damn near real time. I download music alot but most of the time I already have the cd so I just dl instead of ripping it. just easier then I can make mix cdsand stuff or make long ply lists for the 5-10 hour sittings I sometimes do at my computer either for games, work, homework, or any other reason. I think they are just being greedy *****s and they all need to go die, I mean come on "I want 57million dollars not 56million" damn those people holding back my extra mil. lol greedy bastards, and alot have the guts to say I do it for the love of the music.

Silentstalker, I mean Joe, you are right, I shouldn't give out my name. So My real name is Kitty Smith or maybe John Blue or maybe...... I know you are kidding. Fred Brown is not my real name. (lol)But with all the Feds hanging around the net these day, I don't even use my real e-mail address. It's a sad day when you can't trust anybody. An underground irc sounds great, but how would you go about setting it up? There will aways be a weak link some place.

Kitty Smith

We've been laughing about this CD Tax (in Canaduh) imposed on blank CD's. Who does the government give the money to ?

After all........is there a huge piracy of Celine Deon, or Gordon Lightfoot ? Ewwww.....Anne Murray !!!! Even better.....Ashley McIvor.

But seriously folks.......how do you pay back the artists whose music is downloaded ?

All that happened is the RIAA messed up. when napster was in its infacy they should NOT have sued the creator, thus generateing p2p publicity and makeing it an very very very big problem. The RIAA should have bought all the rights to napster and built a busness model off it... they dont sell much in the way of cds becuse the simple fact a lot of times you buy the CD which is 12.99usd+ for one good song. Now if the RIAA was smart they could have set something up like apple's music site where its like 99 cents a song and the people could get what they wanted. But they messed up... and if they dont stop PDQ they will cause a quite irrvrseable(sp?) mess-up and pretty much put them selfs, the lables, and the artist they represent under. Pretty much when this goes critical on them the fans will be alienated and go well f*** this, you wanna sue us all ill give you reason.

Im still downloading music.....If I only like 1 song Im not paying $20 for a CD when I can download the song I like for free.....They need to quit crying...We will always be able to find a way....

True, they cant search all the FTP's in the world, and even if they did, there are still private FTP's, and IRC War3z....

The whole issue of downloading music and digital rights is abit of a nightmare at the moment,
I read the otherday about someone who was auctioning a track he had downloaded (from Apples music store i think) on Ebay.

He is testing the water so to speak because if you bye a cd you have the right to sell later. Downloaded music is a different matter apparently and no one is sure of the law in this case at the moment.

As for the amnesty, it's just another scare tactic. The RIAA actions so far have turned people off p2p sharing, so i think its just another way of instilling fear. I mean at the moment they havn't successfuly prosecuted anyone yet have they.

selling songs on ebay.....what has the world come to.. lol. yea its all kind of stupid. What about people who's only way to get music such as songs from the 30's and 40's is by download? such as some older people I know do. For that kind of music that was only released on record is obsolete in physical form unless you want to buy costly antique records. the RIAA is only focusing on making more money and like I saide before they still get their money from radio play, mtv, .etc. But what about music that only exists in .mp3 such as from the 30's 40's and 50's? We all know that there is a HUGE interest in that music right? lol, but they treat all downloaders the same and I'm sure they wouldnt be losing very much money from that. and i'm sure rappers like nelly and p diddy and pop stars like justin timberlake are all suffering for money, as we all have seen via Cribs, instead of the 300,000$ Ferrari they could only afford the 250,000$ model what a shame. And justin timberlakes new house, he could only spend 6mill instead of 10. Yes we should all buy their music and make them richer.

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"I'll be curious to see how many opt for this," said Fred von Lohmann, a lawyer for the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation, who has criticized the RIAA's use of copyright subpoenas. "It will be an interesting measure of how much fear the recording industry has managed to inject into the American public."

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First, this is the most laughable attempt by the RIAA to get people to "admit" they've illegally downloaded music. Illegal by who's definition? The minute you try to make it illegal to download music in a futile attempt to "scare" the majority of the people who can't be held liable anyways due to age restrictions, you're going to have more of a problem than if you just accepted it. Why not try LOWERING THE PRICES on your blasted CDs? Didn't they say that the prices would be drastically lowered once production ramped up back in the early 90's and such? Did they ever do that? No. Suck it up, these are your sown oats...

As for the whole 'injected fear', please...see my tears of understanding fall. See them dry up like so much evaporation upon my face as the truth of what's gone on with the RIAA shines brilliantly down, blinding myself and others who realize just how misled and forced upon we've been over the past decade.

As for the EFF, I support them as well, and wear my "Coding is not a crime" bumper sticker on my truck proudly...

My 2c: There is not a lot good on the radio or being produced today unless you really scour around to see who has something fresh. ****, the mainstream crap is drving me absolutely insane and it's all the same fricking style.

Linkin Park, POD, 3 Doors Down, etc. All sound alike. After a few songs, you think they are the same band.

Shania Twain, Faith Hill, Trick Pony they sound alike after a while.....

Toby Kieth, and these other guys all have made at least one 9-11 song. The 9-11 tragedy was horrible, but they are doing a disservice by making song after song after song about it. Also, how many times can you listen to "who's your daddy" without barfing?

Artists need to look and see what they can do to crank something fresh instead of using the same tired and overused recipe for a hit. That means I have to research for new and non-mainstream artists to find anything good. I may download a song or two to hear what it sounds like then if it is good, I will buy the CD. If it sounds anything like mainstream, they do not see a dime from me and I think that is fair. I have found really neat music this way!

Ladytron
Deep Forest (they are different but they do get old after a while)
Butthole Surfers
The Vines
James
Neurotic Outsiders

and the list goes on and on from easy listening to a genre all of itself. You never really hear these artists on the radio, and therefore, you don't know what they sound like. BUT... there are some artists that do have soundclips on their web site(s) and that helps let me decide who I spend my next music dollar on.

Get on the ball and get something different! I am tired of "Arms Wide Open".....

Lostboy's right. We are always going to find a way, an alternative to P2P if it gets shut down by the RIAA. So start thinking of new ideas! :)

Joe

when the radio stations in the 80's or earlier started accepting money etc to to play record company play lists pirate radio stations popped up so i think the ppl who think that the p2p will stop banged their heads on the keyboard one tooo many times jjk:) after all how many email addys can one person have with what size attatchments there are sooo many ways to share files new web sites popping up daily :Dthank you to all those websites and free email providers with +10mb storage and beyond;)

Sheesh..

You can tell that there little campaign isnt going too well. Their resorting to our conscience to make us stop downloading music..

Wont be surprised if I turn on the news and found something about RIAA shutting down.

1000+ p2p members. 1 RIAA. :)

I still don't see how it can be made to work given today's internet.

What is to stop someone setting up a server in a country that does not uphold US copyright law and where the US has no jurisdiction. If people then log into this via an anonymous proxy server in a similar safe haven country, how would anyone find out what they have been doing?

As you can tell, I am no expert on internet security the other side of the firewall :)

It seem to me that the people they are going for made no attempt to hide their activities? so were easily detected. Won't they just drive it underground like child pornography?

BTW silentstalker: Don't microwave your HDD..................it will ruin your microwave!...........just put it in the deepfreeze for 24 hours...........that will do the job :D


Cheers

A friend pointed me to this:

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030907


Hmm ...

I'll trade anyone a BNL and a Cows with Guns for an Elmer Fudd "Kill the Wabbit."

Kidding!

New so be gentle.....

I heard this last night on my TeeVee news channel, and what I've got the biggest problem with is this:

There are many albums that i bought on tape, Vinal, and *ahem* 8track (dating myself), and many of these have either worn out, been thrown away (broken) or with vinal, scratched beyond use. Now since i bought them *once*, am I now required to pay for them AGAIN in order to listen to them, or like double-taxation, have I paid my dues and am entitled to have them?......
and like many others, i am NOT downloading, burning and distrubuting these songs, I want them for my own PERSONAL and PRIVATE use.

Who the RIAA really should be going after is those major lables that RAPE the artist every time they sign a record deal. I heard somewhere that in the end the artist only sees about .25 cents out of the sale of a record, with the fat-cats up in the bighouses being the ones who get all the procedes from a sale of an album.

but just like hunting and fishing licenses and many other things, its the little guy who suffers the most and pays the most with the least return. *sigh*, what we need is a FLAT TAX system *smile*

thanks for reading my rant

-java