Liberals oppose Christ!

liberals in courts, government, media and Hollywood oppress Christianity and anything Christian…. So says David Limbaugh.

http://www.drudgereport.com/mattdl.htm

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*A New Jersey teacher was forced by an ACLU suit to abandon plans to take children to see the Broadway version of “A Christmas Carol.”

*School officials in Windsor, Virginia prohibited two graduating seniors from singing “The Prayer,” a popular song sung by Celine Dion, among others. When the students raised their first amendment rights, the school announced there would be no singing of any sort at the graduation ceremony.

*In April 2001, the Logan County Public Library in Bowling Green, Kentucky, fired employee Kimberly Draper for wearing a necklace with a cross pendant to work

"This book chronicles discrimination against Christians in American society. While tolerance is touted as the highest virtue in our popular culture, Christians are often subjected to scorn and ridicule and denied their religious freedoms."

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Is this gut nuts? maybe not.

this is typical....you must understand that due to the broad scope of the ACLU that they can not simply pick and choose what they want to fight about....now this does not make any of this right by any means i would say that the ACLU has a point but is attempting to take it too far and to to be to "tolerant" what i dont understand is that they preach tolerance but they dont expect anybody to be tolerant...

The cliche "...taste of your own medicine..." came to mind when I was listening to a local talk show yersterday. That book was the topic.

at times, the aclu is the enemy of amost everyone. A radical self righteous organization that only operates on its own agenda of dedicated attacks to get in the news. They live in a bowl that needs to be flushed.

Hmm Tedob, I thought you had to believe something existed to be against it :)

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i dont know nebulus200. some believe in the inequality of the races of man!

i consider myself to be an american first. if the christian belief is being discriminated against it must stop. however if its the christians that are trying to impose their religious beliefs on others then...off with their heads. just wanted to get other opinions on this.

I roughly agree. I believe the original intent of the constitution was to forbid the establishment of a state religion and to avoid citizens being forced to to practice one religion (as England did at the time). I believe we in the US have crossed over the thin line of preventing the establishment of a religion to the persecution/discrimination against a particular religion. I find it mind numbing that so much uproar can be raised over the ten commandments being placed in a courthouse (where IMHO it is in place as a basis of law, along with the magna carta, hammurabi's code, etc), while if the tenets of Islam were placed in the courthouse, you wouldn't even hear a whimper.

I guess I feel the last part of the clause in the admendment is being ignored '...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;'. My comment was more of a slap against atheists, who seem to be one of the larger driving forces behind the movement...


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Originally posted here by Tedob1
i dont know nebulus200. some believe in the inequality of the races of man!

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And the ACLU will protect their right to speach. In my area its the liberals that hate the ACLU insted of the conservatives, bucause they sued a number of towns that tried to stop klan ralies. Face it these guys dont' have some secrate agenda they just want every one to be treated fairly.

This nation was set-up around an almost total Christian population. Now my question is are these things happening because our nation is out of step with the diversity of culture that we now have or is Christianity just being attacked. Do you think Christianity should have the predominate place in our culture because of the founding fathers beliefs or should it be purged from our institutions for not representing everyone. Ive heard many say “well that’s the way it is here…if you don’t like it don’t come here” and I cant say I subscribe to this opinion, but this is supposed to be a nation of and by the people and not having a valid opinion on this issue…never having really thought about it, id like to hear how others feel before I form one. The aclu was only mentioned in one of the incidents so I don’t believe this is about the aclu although I could be wrong.

Humm..i nthe past at times we have had a close tie between religion and the goverment (the 1950's comes to mind). During those times we have seen the goverment use religion as a tool to controll and subjagate us. they use god as a way to strip away all of our rights and freedom. I would much rather see a very strong seperation of church and state, the door swings both ways if you open it for religion to enter the goverment, the goverment will enter your religion.

Tedob1:

I think its more about local governments/companies/school districts being fearful of an ACLU lawsuit. Its a whole lot easier to prevent a harmless yet potential controversial event from happening altogether.

This is with all things in life. There are people who are never happy unless its their way. And somehow these people get personal gratification from preventing school kids from seeing "A Christmas Carol" Why? Because it has the word Christ in it? The story itself has nothing to do with Christ, and barely anything to do with Christmas. Replace Christmas with "Generic family togetherness and gift giving day" Would the children be able to see it then.

Back in the day it was the overwhelming Christian society pushing its values on the minority.
In present days its the small amount of people in society dictating what the majority of people can say or do. All in the name of 'equality'

bballad:

I do agree with you that the government was trying to control us and still are. But if its not religion it will be something else.

Further seperation of church and state is not the only solution, in fact, it will most likelyll only spawn other problems.

I would much rather have the government have the 10 commandments at a courthouse then for them to limit my freedoms because of my race/age/tax bracket

I would rather not have a religiously biased court system.

The ACLU has a purpose although the trend currently seems to be on the side I don't always agree with. Right now we have a dominantly white European transcended protestant Christian culture. That may not always be the case and I hope as society changes that these basic principles stand against the next wave.

Who knows, we may find ourselves in a radically different landscape in the next 100 years. For instance, a radical South American style viewpoint of Christianity through their flavor of Catholicism could become a prominent; if not dominate culture.

Or what if the next wave of Islam takes a serious turn like it did in the 70s, only this time citizen convert in masses. I could even entertain the idea that religion in 300 years might not even exist in great quantities in numbers. Meaning it becomes such a minority that political sway ceased to exist in any area of this culture. If would be nice to see that principles applied today would protect those in the future, no matter what our social/moral/ideological landscape may be.

Do I really think Christians are being oppressed? Has anything today changed since I was a child regarding the constitution and ideal of separation of church and state? Not really. Oh wait, I forgot – we did say the “pledge of allegiance” in grade school. Does having that gone effect the way people view patriotism to their country and its principles? Sure, I could agree to on a minuscule level. Does that item and lack of public lead prayer in school and forcing the removal of the 10 commandments from a public lobby (of a building housing components of the judicial system) oppress the Christians in a Christian dominated society? I don’t think so.

Sorry to repost in a day old topic, but I need to say my peace on this one.

I personally feel offended when a someone or group of someone's put something like the ten commandments in a public institution that is more than likely to have people of various religions and cultures entering it. I personally feel if they wanted a momument made of the commandments, he/she/it/they could post the monument in a place of it's own like the Lincoln Memorial. That way, people would be able to go specifically to the huge slab of stone to see it, instead of someone taking a case to the supreme court and being forced to see it (it's a bit huge...very hard to miss).
It's not really opressing christianity in any way. Saying stuff like, "You can't worship God and Jesus anymore." would be opressing. Putting christians in concentration camps would be oppressing. Judging someone as being evil because they're christian would be oppressing, but saying they can't have a memorial in a public place with culturial and religious diversity isn't. That's like saying you're being oppressed because you can have a big statue of this huge group orgy.
Now, if I put a big statue of a pentagram which is used in my religion, or a big book with a pentagram or celtic knot on it, then all the christians would be blaring stuff like, "Ohhh you can't have that there, that's evil. We demand that it be removed imediately!"
Also, as far as I know, christianity is still the majority in even the US. If I drive anywhere in the US, I see more christian churches than I see any churches of Islam, Wicca, Necrodriek, Satanism, etc. Not to mention, I don't see any TV commercials about how everyone else is going to a pagan hell if people don't join a pagan religion, but I see -CHRISTIAN- churches doing that a lot!
My major question of the day is, "Why do churches now act more like institutions and professional businesses and corperations competing for profit?"

correction on my typo from "That's like saying you're being oppressed because you can have a big statue of this huge group orgy." needs to be "That's like saying you're being oppressed because you can't have a big statue of this huge group orgy."
I'll buy a new keyboard later today... this one's ancient and needs a good tossing.

Well no offense but go **** yourself...

Nobody needs to move anything...
Thats just a tree hugers solution to a problem that isn't really there... the "real" problem here has nothing to do with monuments... its about our gov trying to tell us what our ****ing right are... thats for the ****ing civilians, tax payers, & average lazy american bums & losers to decide what should & shouldn't be going on in our country, ya morons! And if the peaple make a good or bad choice then big ****ing ga' damned deal...

If our goverement is for the peaple and by the peaple then why does everyone hate our goverement? And if these peaple are so pro-constatutional then I should have the right to carry any loaded semi-automatic weapon with silencers and grenade launchers into any public area that I want to without being harassed by stupid ****ing piglet cops.

Oh and by the way, my hippie drug cult was getting stoned then thats when we realised govamental and federal buildings are apart of our cult so from now on all stupid pig coppers and feds must go home while we knock over a few buildings and overthrow the goverment while triping on acid and while listening to old school punk such as black-flag's Rise Above... and TheSexPistols' Anarchy in the UK.

Now who wants to join my hippie/drugie/anarchist cult, help me build this into a real "religion", then overtakeing the gov by exploiting their rules and useless laws that they are trying to pass & regulate as we speak.

Anyone here read Illuminati ;)

I happen to be a Liberal Socialist from England. In which religion and state are pretty much totally seperate.

But yes, liberals tend to against religious philosophies... because religion is often used as a footing for personal power or power of the state.

[glowpurple]Also if you happen to be under the age of 15 don't bother posting here. And if you can't make a point without swear words then go and read a book.[/glowpurple]

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Religion is an inescapable concept. Everyone worships someone or something. When people start talking about some humanistic values, or putting man at the center of all things, they have turned the worship of God into a worship of self. As a result, they have propounded this notion that we are all gods and sovereign over our sphere of influence. History demonstrates that when man thinks he is in control, those are the times when society is the most out of control. Today, we have more consistently applied the religion of humanism than in any time in history and look at what it has wrought! What a societal mess it has made! Humanism is an utter and complete failure, precisely because man's actions are so arbitrary and ultimately so cruel.

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http://www.forerunner.com/revolution/grant.html

It is not a matter of whether "the commandments" are posted in the courthouse,
but "whose commandments". Someone will rule and enforce a "religious orthodoxy"
of some type, even if they don't call it "religion"
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Originally posted here by Rushyo
[glowpurple]Also if you happen to be under the age of 15 don't bother posting here. And if you can't make a point without swear words then go and read a book.[/glowpurple]

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http://the.specialist.youarelame.com/

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But yes, liberals tend to against religious philosophies... because religion is often used as a footing for personal power or power of the state.

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I disagree with this statement. Help me understand this statement because I hear it allot.

But this is what I perceive. Liberals are always stating that government is corrupt and seeking to over power society, yet I perceive that it produces more government offices and takes more money away from the people and places it in the hands of the government. In effect, it makes government stronger both in numbers of personnel and fiscal spending ability.

They are also biased against religion but not because of government control. I perceive it to be that religion directly contradicts their social and political beliefs. They cannot coexist.

At the same time, I do not equate a persons desire to keep religion out of government to be "opposing" that religion. Maybe they are saying, "we just want an even playing field that caters to the beneficial good of all the people” Now having said that; eliminating a literary classic from school is censorship. One of my first posts to this thread regarded using the term "taste o' your own medicine.

I said that because I remember the religious act of trying to ban all kinds of books when I was a child!!!! Those events I admit have left a strong sentiment in my thinking process. Tom Sawyer? Come on. Personally I would love my children (if I had some) to see a Christmas Carol, I would also like them to be able to read Tom Sawyer, and the latest direct contradiction to Christian extremity: Harry Potter.

So liberals mostly do oppose Christ. But at the same time some of the most liberal people I know are deeply religious. When is the last time I've seen a Republican Southern Baptist? Probably never.... and I have lived in Mississippi and in Oklahoma, two states shrouded in what I have heard termed, the Bible belt.