Have Antipoints passed their sell by date?

I know nobody likes to hear someone bitch about Antipoints, so you're not going to get one.

This is aimed at two types of people, those of us who have reached a point where we no longer notice the gaining of Antipoints and those of us who are still in the chase for those green gifs.

Firstly, do Antipoints serve as a reward for good members or social members?

Or, are they merely a tool for established members to ban any newbie who dosent read the FAQ before posting?

The reason I am questioning the system is because good members no longer get rewarded by Antipoints, or feel any desire to gain more. It has reverted back to the stage before Antipoints when you posted good tutorials and replies just to become a respected member by name, not by how many dots are under your name.

So, this begs the question have Antipoints passed their sell by date?

Yep there ****ing useless

But, but but.. JP said we'd be able to trade in our points for AO lunchboxes.. <whine>

*sigh* I guess I'll never get one now.. :cry:

so yes.. Ennis.. Antipoints have passed their sell by date.

No way am aiming to get into 5 figures ;)
half way there - lol

nah I have always supported the gold dot idea....once hit so many you get a gold dot where you are no longer effected by aps - cause even negs dont effect the highest earners as it is.....

maybe if they were used to open up dif site benefits or something (bring back banner free surfing!!) or to get lunch-boxes!!! then they might be worth striving for but atm they dont really mean much - dont get me wrong is nice to get pos - not for the points themselves but for the show of appriciation from other members

v_Ln

I'm not really too bothered either way about APs, although I must admit that some members have effectively become "untouchable" because they have so many APs that negs don't affect them (okay, so they still reduce your AP total, but they're not likely to knock off any of your green dots).

For these users, APs have passed their sell by date (I notice that, apart from me, only users with the maximum number of green dots have posted so far in this thread), because you've got nothing to gain and very little chance of losing from the AP scheme. I like the gold dot idea, but then once you have a gold dot the AP system is still past its sell by date because you can't improve on a gold dot, if you see what I mean.

There seems to be a situation arising whereby the members who already have vast amounts of APs can't be knocked off the top (not that I'm suggesting that they should be, as those APs have often been earnt through the posting of excellent tutorials, amongst other things) and the newbies can't really climb to their level very easily.

APs are a way of banning newbies who ask stupid questions, but they may also put off those who are either banned or get negged so badly that they decide not to come back, just because they broke a house rule, so to speak.

Personally, I'm not really too bothered about APs, so long as I don't get banned or negged for really stupid reasons (or just no reason at all), I really don't care too much what happens with them. You earn respect through your attitude on AO and your willingness to help others, not by the number of green dots you have under your title.

i dont really care about AP's anymore ....but for newbies they mean a lot and we with many AP's have much respect from newbies ...i mean if let's say another newbie replies to a question with a correct answer and souleman or Ennis replies with "no just go to command prompt and type in format c:/ " who do you think the newbie will believe ...but i still think it's nice to get some points from time to time :)

I really don't care about the Antipoints if i get them i get them if i don't oh well live goes on.They are very useful at times i can say that. lol

personally I do not care about AP's and never have done... being over the age of 12 I recognise them for the green/red/grey gifs that they are - but like v_Ln and Memory say it is nice to know that someone appreciates the effort you've gone to to try and help them... manners cost nothing - just like little green gifs :)

they are useful to ban the annoying newbies but that could be done by mods/Jupmedia just as easily.

AP's only mean anything to those who think they are worth something (n00bs and seniors alike) .... but let me turn this question around..... there are people here with lots of respect - respect that is shown by their AP status, how else do you propose that those people are recognised for their knowledge and respect (apart from people hanging around on the boards for a long time)? I mean I've got no objections to getting rid of AP's, but are you intent on replacing them with some other system? I'm not saying you should but I'm just curious as to where you're thinking of taking this Ennis??


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Yep there ****ing useless

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This illustrates beautifully one reason why I've always liked prodikals answers - they are usually direct and very much to the point :D

I personally have alot of respect for antipoints. Maybe that is becuz I have never really had alot of them. The one thing I disagree about the antipoint system is that amout part. If you have alot of antipoints, that means when to dish them out, you are going to really help someone, or really hurt them. I know this by expercience. With this account, I have a total of 4 positive antipoints and 1 negitive antipoints (I mean the people that gave them to me). Now I have 9 positive points. I dont think that this is fair. My one negitive hurt me big time, took me to -1 points for a little while. Anyways, not that I am complaining, just saying that I like the antipoints, but maybe they have some wholes that need to be filled. :)

-Ep

senior members have been asking for a while for some kind of level to be put in place - the likes of myself, soule, Ennis and others on the top10 earners list as well as others with 11 greenies give out quite alot anytime we assign - I have seen members go straight from green to red (no stopping at grey) with just one assignment....and the other side of things is true as well - any time i assign pos it maxes the bar above post out (post is extremely pos) - sometimes these assignments are deserved but other times it would be nice if you could reduce amount given - like someone who has made a helpfull post gets half normal while a really good tut gets full points........

I dunno if you get what i mean but i dont think that an answer to a question which took the person like 30secs to type up should recieve same amount as a tut which someone spent ages on - yes both deserve pos but do they deserve same amnt?

v_Ln

yes this thread does bring up something we've discussed in the past.
the "sliding scale" idea to allow us to only assign a portion of our points..
I forget who originally brought up the suggestion but nebulus reintroduced it in this thread.
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=245875

some very good points were made in that thread.. in fact i think I'll bump it.

I am unsure of an alternative as of yet, havent had much time to think of a worthy one. But I really do think its time we reviewed the system, it has never really been examined by those who run the site who are perhaps content with the system. I think maybe we should post our ideas for an alternative perhaps in this thread or in a new one if anyone wants to go that way.

Antipoints don't really bother me, but I still like to have them :) I think that a system like you guys are talking about would be good. Where we don't have to assign the maximum number of AP's, but rather can limit what we assign.

well I did reply/bump up that other thread in suggestions.. and there's no real harm in discussing it in two places.. it don't take up all that much bandwidth <grin>

from the very beggining there were always many issues with the AP system..
we have so many topics on AP's that the posts probably took up 1/10 of the content being discussed here.. was it all worth it ? even JP admiited it didn't work out as planned.

what's the real problem with just having a few more live moderators ?

we really don't need the AP system banning anyone.. I say, give some admin rights to the current mods for banning and let the ordinary users help out by alerting the admins and mods to problem (people or) posts.. there is a "report this thread feature".. I use it.. just ask negative :D

and if we do keep it.. I think tweaking the numbers around would help..
like increasing the negative points required to be banned for starters.
or maybe starting newbies out with a hundred points..

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I have seen members go straight from green to red (no stopping at grey) with just one assignment

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Not to mention that any of us can effectivly suicide a thread with only a few negative assignments. And then there is things like the fact that if any 4 of us (or even 3 and a couple of newbies) gang up on 1 newbie, we can ban them before they make a 3rd post (takes 2 posts because the first post will suicide before the person is banned unless another post in that thread gets a few greens).

My goal is still to get my name OFF the top10 list, but it hasn't been working very well.

I think the system is valid in concept, but lacking in functionality. A graded or sliding scale would be good, and would encourage new people better as one would feel more inclined to award to intelligent and useful contributions, even though they are not outstanding. It is too "black or white" at the moment?

The Karate Kid bit about "balance" is prime BS!...............in an ideal world all posts would be relevant etc, and there would be NO negs?. Some days the posts are better than others. I feel that this kind of "rule" incites Flame Wars? It also incites "vultures"............look for a newbie in trouble and dump some negs huh..............not a good example, or the spirit of AO, I would suggest? [shoot the karate kid, please!] Anyways, if someone thinks a post is good, does that make it make their opinion any less than someone who gives out 70% antipoints, and happens to like the same post?

I feel that it should be made clear that just because you disagree with someone DOES NOT mean that you should give them antipoints..............In the Constitution Of The United States Of America, I believe that this is the First Amendment?..........freedom of speech and stuff?....negging someone for having a different opinion is really no different from putting them in prison?

Just a few thoughts

Cheers

all I have to say is..... good luck trying to get any part of the system changed :P

Souleman > The system has been changed already... check the amount of antipoints you give out... it takes more than 4 assignments from top10-members to ban a newbie now. The impact of all antipoints has been toned down by 50% or so since a couple of weeks (months?).

well just thought would check that neg ;)
aint gonna make a dif to your stats anyways - it does seem to be a lil less than what it was but then is hard to tell as is different depending on who you are assigning them to

v_Ln

Hi, I'm new.

I looked around here a bit and everyone seems to be very uptight about points. So I guess I'll kiss some ass and get as many as i can and then sell the account off to some newbie (Like me) :)

skelton ::: believe me I've thought of that - wonder how much would fetch on e-bay :D
and you dont have to kiss ass to get points - just post something that is usefull

v_Ln

Neg> are you saying I should actually look at my antipoint center again? I opened it recently, but that was because I clicked on the wrong link.

Any takers http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...tem=2956070214 only 100$ they could be yours!!!!
Thanks for the idea valhalen , i am so excited that i may soon be able to get a whole bunch of hamburgers for my points!!!!!!!!

edit - as a bonus it is 739 not 722 as reported on the ebay listing

ok so if you want $100 for yours that works out as $0.135317997293640054127198917456022 per ap (or there abouts ;) lol) so at same reckoning at same value per point for me I should ask for $661.434370771312584573748308525034 lets round it up to $662 - but then I also have senior member status so make it an even $1000 - then add on fact am on all top10 lists say $200 per list = $1800 :D
now factor in have been here for 2yrs (there abouts)
and in a yr i work about 240 days at 7hrs per day
so i work 1680 hrs a yr - times by 2 for the 2 yrs spent here 3360
then divide the asking price of $1800 by 3360 works out as about :::
$0.535 per hr oO

ummmm dont think will give up day job :)

v_Ln

Anti-points are good and the system works to a fair extent, (coming from someone who's never had a lot of them and probably now never will.

I don't have the money to buy your points off you and I don't see the point anyway (no pun intended). If you guys want to see the system be scrapped then scrap it, if you decide that maybe the system has earned a special lease of life then keep it, either way its up to you.

I got a better idea V and lumpy. Lets start an Antipoint Assinment Aquisition Assossition (AAAA) (and don't mind my shitty spelling). We will just use our accounts and sell greenies to other people. Say, $10 for a dark green dot (first 5) and $50 for a light green dot (last 6). so a newbie that wants 11 greens would pay us $350. We split that between the 3 of us and end up with $115 a person (last $5 goes to business expenses).

Then, if we decide to really expand, we can start selling posts to get them to higher levels.

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But, but but.. JP said we'd be able to trade in our points for AO lunchboxes.. <whine>

*sigh* I guess I'll never get one now..

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ee, that would have been a good reason why AP's would be around to have some incentive to be good. Now these points are just way to have an excuse to bitch.

Toss it. It's past it's expiry date.

Very aptly put Drunk On Duvel.

Antipoints are "passed their sell by date". the system that is used to give them out is flawed. so yeah, they don't really serve any purpose anymore other than letting seniors ban newbies that don't read the FAQ's...but, if we get rid of antipoints, then how are we goign to determine who gets banned? So it really just comes back to that fact that antipoints aren't perfect, but they're all we got. And no, i didnt write this just because i don't have a lot of antipoints {shifts eyes back and forth nervously}...no {nervous laugh} of course not...

How do you think the site was run before Antipoints slick? Members were banned much less before Antipoints and maybe there is a reason behind that.

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Originally posted here by slick8790
Antipoints are "passed their sell by date". the system that is used to give them out is flawed. so yeah, they don't really serve any purpose anymore other than letting seniors ban newbies that don't read the FAQ's...but, if we get rid of antipoints, then how are we goign to determine who gets banned? So it really just comes back to that fact that antipoints aren't perfect, but they're all we got. And no, i didnt write this just because i don't have a lot of antipoints {shifts eyes back and forth nervously}...no {nervous laugh} of course not...

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I'de be careful what you post from now on. You are pretty close yourself to being banned. lol. ;) :rolleyes: