boX0wner

Well people I have to admit I am boX0wner....I actually came close to signing posts v_Ln a couple of times - lol

why did i do it? well some of you may remember this post -> http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=245788

it was much the same question posted a while ago under my real account - i thought enough time had passed to see just how people would react to a similiar question posted by a newbie with a somewhat dodgy grasp of gramar ;)

As you can see the reactions to each post were very different - but what is to say that a newbie does not have the same legitamite reasons for requesting information of that sort as a more senior member? yes a senior member is more established and has (hopefully) proven themsleves to be a respected member - but perhaps if treated better the newbie would have done become the same?

Perhaps it is time that we gave a little bit more benefit of the doubt to such questions - of course that is not to say that every person who comes on here claiming to have a valid reason for using unsavory software should be given all the answers - which could be used wrongly.....but perhaps steering them in the right direction like some members attempted to do??

for those of you with access to the addicts forum you can see my commentary on the thread here -> http://www.antionline.com/showthread...=671555&t=3231

and also the original experiment -> http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=245789

well it was intresting to see how peps reacted anyways - and perhaps will give us all something to think about as I know i for one am dif not immune to acting a lil heavy handed sometimes when it comes to newbies with out-of-the-norm questions ;)

v_Ln

heh you guys were so evil to me >_<
its ok tho - kinda what was expected - ;)

DoD - ur stinky man if its not farts ur obsesed with its poop on SFC - hehe

boX0wner (aka v_Ln)

Very interesting. Bravo to you for making everyone think a little.

?? i didnt know that AO came along with tests...kinda lame...i will probably get negged for this post, but i believe that i dont need to be tested to see how kind i am to new members. I feel that i do my share for antionline, i have written a couple of tutorials about the C++ language and i have helped out numerous newbies with questions they had...(val you kinda gave yourself away...no new member knows that the antipoint system is or how to access it within their 3rd post :)). Anyways, it doesnt matter, i just wanted to let you know val that some members on antionline dont like being tested...this is the second time you have done it...lol dont neg the crap outa me just letting you know my opinions :)

I still stand by my actions. Newbies ought to do a little more research before posting something like that.

it wasn't so much a test as an experiment
test sounds too much as if it was focused on any one individual - where as what I was hoping to achieve...and think i did to some extent - was a view of the community as a whole and their reactions to newbies :)
I dont want people to feel as if they were being judged by it - if it had been someone else doing it and i hadn't known I would have prolly reacted in much the same way as most peps, I am not singling anyone out and saying - "you shouldn't have done that!" what I am trying to show however is as a community perhaps we need to be more open to newer members ;)

v_Ln

Personally, I don't think it was a matter of making people think. I'll admit I negged the post, but I negged the second one.

v_Ln: Your posts were quite different. I negged because of the defensive nature taken by the second post. There's usually a reason why people get that defensive and it usually isn't good. The language was completely different as was the grammar. That makes a big difference, in the box0wner post you seemed very lazy and bad spelling/grammar makes a person assume you aren't trustworthy. If it had been done as nicely as your first post, I think the response would have been different, and the jerk response didn't help any.

I tried as best I could to post as i believe a newbie would have reacted to the replies - they would have felt frustrated, angry, ill-done by etc and although still attempting to hold-on to some kind of restriant as they are requesting help would prolly have responded with at least some kind of insulting term - hence the Jerk remark

Also the gramar/spelling etc I felt was necessary as we have prolly all noticed the downward spiral of the way in which posts are written - just because someone does not have a prefect grasp of the english language...it does not reflect upon the reasons for which they may require the information

v_Ln

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what I am trying to show however is as a community perhaps we need to be more open to newer members

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I understand...well i next time i guess i will try to think a little harder and try to help the person out...just like HTRegz, i admit that i did neg the box0wner on his second post. It was too defensive and it was like he was trying to cover something up. Anyways enough excuses, i guess next time i will try to understand the situation a little bit better and then try to help him out...

I just think that some of the times when people are neg'd to near banning or even banning they may have just needed guidance - I guess i was lucky when i first joined AO as there was no ap system in place as some of my posts would have prolly placed me in the red to begin with ;)
but i like to think i have grown durring my time at AO and perhaps it would be the same for others?

dont get me wrong there are definite times when a person does need to be shown that things in here aren't the way they thought they would be - but everyone should be given a chance to prove themsleves - wether it be to prove themselves as the idiot we believe them to be or actually as just someone who has not fully understood the way in which the site functions

v_Ln

I stand by my post where it was a good idea to use butt sniffer to snif mah farts.

Agian with the sick jokes? Actually I knew something was up the minute I read it... for one thing it looked kinda familiar when compaired to another thread I saw ;) . Thats why I didn't post anything on that thread. But I admit I did neg just in case though.

Valhallen, why give them a 2nd or 3rd chance to prove themselves to be even bigger *******s esspecially when MODs already have a habbit of closeing threads before other peaple are able to respond with negs which they clearly need and deserve... thus resulting in 20 to 30 chances. Because of this, many noobies are now able to freely make many threads about stupid & lame bullcrap and then they often get away with it.

ju8st assigned aps to stop thread from going suicidal :P
esp as negs were to a non-acount if you will ;)

I'm not saying that everyone who comes on this site and posts crap should be given the benefit of the doubt - it is obvious that some posts/members do need to be neg'd when they are blatantly looking to do something illegal but sometimes there maybe a some doubt and in those cases perhaps then a little bit of guidance would not go amiss?

v_Ln

this account has also recieved a PM

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Well I don't know if you have read the intro or not but I will warn you that you are very close to being banned the idea of this website is not what you are asking for. Also I am sure that you will need physical access to her computer to delete the file as I think you would get a sharing violation Error. however you may be able to do it if you connect to her using realvnc hope this helps PS is she running broadband if so why can't you do it with her over the phone

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this is exactly what I mean - it tells the person in plain terms that that kind of information will not be disclosed but instead of continuing on just to flame it attempts to help solve the problem by suggesting other alternatives

boX0wner (aka v_Ln)

Sometimes it is easier to kick the **** out of some weakling.. than it is to go down to the Gym and work out in the Boxercise class..

v_Ln.. Your character's posts were too sus to be just a poorly worded call for help.. I think that I see the point your trying to get across.. but it is those slaps around the head that shape our future posting.. help the ppl.. yes.. diplomatic comments.. but sometimes (for some of us) it is as in my opening comment..

cheers

Forgetting about the fact that he posed as a new member, I know when you're in a text-based medium, people tend to judge you on how well-versed you are in writing, your spelling, and of course, your grammar. You can say a person is lazy or ignorant just from the way they spell or type, which I disagree with. (Maybe lazy...but isn't the internet for many people a leisurely place?)

For example, my cousin...she is highly intelligent, but has fallen into the trend of TyPiNg LiKe ThIs. Why? Well, most of the people she's talked to on the internet are the people on her AOL buddy list. (And all AOL jokes aside) if that's what you see online, isn't that how you'd be? Especially, since it's trendy on AOL to type like that. (No clue as to why that is.) And if for some insane reason she happened to drop by to AntiOnline to ask a question about the security of her computer, I guarantee for those few reasons above, she wouldn't last more than a couple of posts.

Another example is my boyfriend. He's one of the most intelligent people I know. However, his computer experience stems from a little research he did in graduate school online to typing up reports and papers in MS Word. I showed him how to use and configure Yahoo a while back, and we talk on there sometimes...Instead of what's up, it's "what u up to?" In fact, he never spells 'you'...it's always 'u'. Why he does it, I don't know. It's not the only thing he does, typing wise that would probably get him criticized for being a moron...It's just funny, because he's so far from it...he just types that way.

I think that if anyone did criticize him for it, he'd just laugh it off and attribute it to some geekish online standard for the internet obsessed.

Then again...
Maybe it is.

On the internet or other text based mediums written language replaces the verbal/body language that people use to judge character when they meet face to face. As with any language or conversation there is a time and a place for dialects and slang, and there is also a time when being able to convey one's meaning clearly and intelligently is required. I would'nt go to a job interview dressed like a scumbag and talking like trailer trash anymore than I would go to a web forum full of complete strangers seeking help and procede to speak like a complete idiot and then wonder why no one takes me seriously. I think it is in fact very ignorant and if you are telling me that a college graduate cannot compose a piece of correspondence without abbreviating every other word or using capitalization incorrectly, then I will tell you they need to go back to school. If you cannot determine when to use slang and 'net' dialects and when not to, then you are indeed most likely ignorant despite any claims of intelligence you may have and should also return to school, or stay on AOL with the rest of the digital trailer park.

-Maestr0

All I'm saying is that not everyone spends more than an hour a day on a computer. There are people who have come here for legitimate reasons, were judged on being new and the way they typed and negged into oblivion. Not everyone takes the internet so seriously, in fact, a lot of people are more layed back in the way they behave when they log online...especially those people who don't have to deal with computers everyday (ie. is not part of their job, the main reason they have a computer is for games, or writing papers).

I mean, if people were truly here to help eachother out, stop with the nitpicking and answer the damn questions being asked. If you're unsure about the validity of what a person is trying to do, personal attacks are not the answer. So what if a person doesn't have perfect grammar, still thinks l33t speak is cool (yeah, it's annoying, but suck it up), or types in abbreviations. If you can read it...then you can certainly answer the question...and leave the snide remarks out of it. They'll catch on.

People put up with Palemoon...and god knows sometimes I can't understand the point the first time I read through one of his posts...hell, sometimes it takes me several times. He's definitely not stupid.

And Soule... his spelling just makes me chuckle. And if anyone were to call him ignorant, I'd be one of the first people to set that one straight.

I think GG is trying to say there is more to life than the Internet and AntiOnline.

Damn GG, you know... I really don't care about how someone from up north... ummm *you* can't seem to enjoy the fine art of bad grammer. But lets face it there is a fine line between lazyness and the way you are 'taught' to do things... and Uber talk, l33t speak, or what ever the hell you want to call it is just pure and simple lazyness. I have been around computers long enought to know or remember that it was originally both a joke and a way for idiots to stray away from censorship from filters.

Yeah of course I may not have the best grammer or spelling but come on... numbers mixed with letters, or random letters crunched together to form a kinda encryptic typo language...

Damn... what the hell?

:mad: Yeah i tried a couple of expriments myself
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...ighlight=kazaa

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...ighlight=kazaa

Needless to say they failed miserably and all i learnt was how to get on ignore lists
faster than my cpu runs. Anyway i think that being a senior who has contributed to
the site has a right to some sort of entitlement that a newb doesn't, cant expect to
just walk in here and have it all without the neggs. Still WTF do i know.

A senior member can make a stupid post just as easy as a newb.. I have been here going on a year I am still a newb due to posts. I have read a lot, I have seen a lot of posts that I think are not really great post, but that dos'nt mean we should treat anybody like crap...
Some poeple post news artical after news artical just to get status no one negges them wth.
although some are usefull it can get annnoying.

Which is worse? Someone who doesn't post lame things nearly as often as newbies cause most of the time he or she is to busy posting what could atleast be considered slightly usefull stuff every now and agian... or a tottaly stupid ****er who has done nothing, had nothing to show from the start, and most likely will never do much of anything at all afterwards...

As for so called status... I dunno about you guys but after the 3rd or 4th dot I really stoped careing. Even if I seriously help someone out with a problem, I don't wake up the next day feeling good about myself or what I've done... hell I could send thousands of great posts and have a million peaple thanking me or telling me how cool I am if I wanted to but whats the point. Other than for the sake of other peaple's amusement I have nothing to look forward to around here or anywhere else for that matter... if peaple would quit posting this boreing and redundant "how to h4xwh0r3" **** on alot of boards then maybe I would turn out to be a nicer guy.

Then agian I have been accused of haveing problems...

If you don't care why post.. you must enjoy somthing about AO

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If you don't care why post.. you must enjoy somthing about AO

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It's the antipoints :)

The Sadaam avi completely through me off...

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