Hi Folks ,,,,
I Attached A file that contain A great Article about anonymizing your mails ,,,,
Try to get the most out of it ,,,,,
Cheers ,,,,,
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Hi Folks ,,,,
I Attached A file that contain A great Article about anonymizing your mails ,,,,
Try to get the most out of it ,,,,,
Cheers ,,,,,
Hi da_zero,
Yes, it is of interest, but does not seem that relevant to today's problems.
1. If I mail someone, I want them to KNOW who it came from, for certain.
2. Anonymous mails will get deleted by a number of good security utilities/services?
A lot of current malware spoofs the sender's ID and the rest?
The only reason you would want anonymous e-mail is to SPAM these days? as malware will look at your .pst file or whatever, and see who things really came from?
Please explain what I might use it for?
Cheers
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Harassment of course! ;)
The simpliest way of sending anonymous email, IMHO, is just to run through an anonymous proxy and open one of the many FREE web based email accounts....
There are plenty of good reasons aside from spam to send anonymous emails, think about it for a few -- I could list quite a few things, but that wouldn't help you would it? :D
Star****ers|Inc
46&2 are just ahead of you...
Edit: lmfao...I just got around to reading the article, and go figure, if you read it it lists reasons other than spamming right @ the beginning of it, did you even read it or did you see the post was about anon remailing and jump down the guy's throat waiting to give him some neg. Aps? Either answer winds you up the **** creek =P
Hmmmmmmmmm
Star****ers...............don't list them on this site mate............you just might get negged.........but someone likes his thread cos he's got a lot of greenies for it.
That strikes me as ODD.......usually if you post something even five minutes late, you get told off.
THAT ARTICLE IS 1995!!!....................where I am right now we have 2003, how about you?
I guess I need to go back to that time travel thread on the Cosmos forum? Take care
And I did not Neg..........only commented
As one is supposed to?
Liberte Egalite Fraternite................get rid of the French flag old son, you are either a fake or a poseur (mon ami)
:D
Hehehe..tx for the advice, but the entire world can neg me and I don't give a flying ****, I'm here for the info, and if I meet a couple people along the way that share my views, that's cool too. It's meaningless to *ban* someone from a site, they can always come back...so neg me all year long, when I post it's helpful when it can be, and I try to be as nice as I can be :D When ppl spout off like that, for no good reason...I just can't help myself. Though the article is seemingly severly dated, aka 1995, it's general info, hasn't changed over time, so it's still worth 5 minutes if you're bored.
Star****ers|Inc
Sorry, j'viens d'remarquer q't'aimes po mon drapeau francais? Desole mon pote, j'suis francais..tt a fait, t'm'suis la?
Hey Star****ers..................don't get all coy with me..........I guess I had noticed that a certain gentleman member whom I will NOT name due to his country of origin seemed a bit "out of date". I gave it some thought, as you suggested, and suspect that it might actually be a REAL issue in his country at this moment in time???
I guess we are too used to freedom? So we take it for granted? horrifying?
I most certainly wish him well, and we have to be a bit careful on his account, as this is an open forum?
BTW...........France will be stuffed in the Rugby World Cup :D I have that on good authorities.......and they are all Australian :cool:
Cheers Mate
LOL -- I can't argue much on the Rugby issue, though *stuffed* might be overdoing it a bit. We'll see. As far as you living in a free country, if AU is your country of origin, I'm not sure how it is down there. I live in the United States and recently finished reading George Orwell's 1984 and am looking at America's so called 'freedom' in a different light. Maybe I'll start a thread about it if I can be arsed, I figure a good number of people have read it...
Star****ers|Inc
Why use an anonymous remailer if you can do it yourself with telnet or a simple script on a server with an open SMTP port. It sounds like spamming that story about anonymous remailers, and if there's one thing that I hate is SPAM!
Ok nihil ,,,,,
Why would YOU use remailers?
Maybe you're a computer engineer who wants to express opinions about computer products, opinions that your employer might hold against you. Possibly you live in a community that is violently intolerant of your social, political, or religious views. Perhaps you're seeking employment via the Internet and you don't want to jeopardize your present job. Possibly you want to place personal ads. Perchance you're a whistle blower afraid of retaliation. On the other hand, you might be an honest bureaucrat who invites whistle-blowers. Conceivably you feel that, if you criticize your government, Big Brother will monitor you. Maybe you don't want people "spamming" or "flaming" your corporate email address. In short, there are many legitimate reasons why you, a law abiding person, might use remailers.
Hope you got the sence ?
Cheers
Hi cleanbash ,,,
Can you give us the way of mailing by using telnet ?
Thanx In Advance
Cheers ,,,,
Hi,
cleanbash, I do not think that da_zero is recommending spam, it is more a security issue. The article he refers to is 8 years old. I am trying to recall, but I do not think that spam was much of a problem in those days, except, perhaps, if you used AOL?
There is a similarity in concept, in that spammers will spoof their IDs and look for a server that permits relaying to dump their c**p on the internet. That way they remain anonymous.
The anonymous re-mailer, on the other hand, is a trusted service in a non-aligned, democratic country, that allows people to communicate with one another without revealing their true identities. If you happen to live in a "police state" this might be useful?
If such a site were to permit spamming, I am sure that their ISP would shut them down pretty quickly. Also, they would be looking for spam and would close accounts that appeared to be being used for it?
My question was really how useful such a service is TODAY, given that there are other ways of going about it, as several members have already mentioned?
There are many free mail providers where you can set up a fictitious account. A web-based system where you use their application and server is more secure than the local SMTP variety, where "evidence" is stored on your local machine; although you still need to be wary of local security. Temporary files, the page/swap file etc?
As for antisocial behaviour, these days anyone with sense has a personal firewall and their mailing system has filtering capabilities, so you just block the annoyance? 8 years ago this was certainly not the case. Also, the concept of the anonymous re-mailer is that it is between consenting parties?
At the end of the day, if it is illegal or annoying.......don't do it?
Cheers
lol... not legal...... wt is legal....... here in lebanon... ther is no LAW agianst is ........
no 1 is giving a F*** about pirated CD's....so it is legal..... here lol
HI Folks,
As nihil said, I'm not recommending the spam, I hate spam too!, no one in this world like spam.
Nihil mentioned a very important alternative for remailer is the free web baseds E-mail ,,,, they're really hard to account ,,,, but the variety is always good ,,,, I think the most imprtant thing in the anonymous remailer is that you don't send your IP ,,,,
If we aretalking about faking our e-mails we can use outlook express to do this ,,,, so the issue is not that at all,,,, It's about hidding the IP ,,,, so no one can even thought to trace yo,
I think this service gets it's best usage in the non-democratical nations ,,,, so anyone can express himself without feeling that someone might arrest him ,,,,,
all the best ,,,,,
Special thanks goes to Nihil ,,,,
Da-zero:
Er.... All three mail servers I use begin logging it's transactions with the IP address of the remote machine..... Thus "doing it yourself" would like like this in any of my logs:
Connection from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx [somedevice.somewhere.com]
ELHO somewhereelse.com
I dunno about you but that doesn't seem too anonymous..... Not to mention that fact that my firewall logs note every SYN inbound on port 25 as well I would suggest that doing it yourself might not be a good idea if you are going to be "bad"...... ;)
Hi da_zero,
I am glad that you understood what I was leading towards. Yes your examples are all quite legitimate, although they might be dangerous for the individual.
I have some major problems with the anonymous re-mailer idea.
1. They are old, and there are not many of them these days, so if I were chief of the secret police, that would be the first sort of traffic I would be monitoring for, and your ISP keeps connection records. :(
2. A lot of free speech is via bulletin boards and forums, so e-mail is not that useful? as already suggested, an anonymous proxy server service would be better? Or use the two together? Even this has problems, as traffic to anonymous proxies would show up.
3. I suppose that in a non-democratic environment you are "guilty until proven innocent" so any sign of "furtive" activity will be interpreted as "subversive"
4. I think that using an anonymous proxy and a free web mail would work fine for the employee expressing views or whistle blowing, though?
5. Because of spam, a lot of anonymous connections will probably get killed. I think that what you are aiming for is to have an identity, but one that cannot be traced to your true identity? That way your communications are accepted.
Cheers
Hi nihil ,,,,
First of all. there is many of theme arount the net ,,,, they are free of charge ,,,,,
Riot is a good example http://riot.eu.org/ ,,,, check it out ,,,,,
I know that alot of free speach is via bulletin board And forums ,,,, but We can use It in more
extended way ,,,, like news group, Mail listes and USENET,,,,, It seems a good Idea, huh ?
Look, Till now no one Approve that the anonymous remailers are a spam ,,,, so that, no one is about killing thos links ,,,, they're still alive there are dozens os remailers ,,,,,
In the third factor you are absolutely completely right !!
Cheers
Where are you GuyZ ?
Hi da-zero, back again :)
I had a look at the site you mention........seemed a little old to me....75MHz pentium?
I still have concerns about anonymous re-mailers:
1. You want to have an identity that is recognised , but not directly traceable back to you? There is a basic human feeling that those who are anonymous have no courage. Also, if you are anonymous, it is easy to steal your identity? :) I think we need to use "untraceable" rather than "anonymous"............for example, an exiled political leader?
2. You may not send your IP address when you contact the re-mailer, but YOUR isp will have logged your call to the re-mailer. This takes me back to how you will be traced by the secret police, and once they have both you AND your PC, they will "extract" information from both....trust me!
3. Your secret police know how to use Google as well ;) They can compile lists to search local ISPs for contacts to anonymous re-mailers............the rest they will "extract" from you, without needing an ISP address.
Cheers
Take your wireless enabled laptop, find an unsecured WAP, (which isn't very hard nowadays), connect yourself up, route through your proxy if you want and away you go..... If the WAP is logging the best they get is your MAC address and if you stole :eek: the Wireless card they have no way of tracing your activity anyway...... Well.... except to the owner of the WAP.... who is going to be in for a big surprise when the Statz Polizei come a-knocking...... ;)
Course that might be a tad too much work if you only want to surf the pr0n......
Hi nihil ,,,,
You are right? it's absolutely old, but it is also pretty good ,,,,
I do understand your concerns !!!! ,,,,let me say that there is no entity without having advantage and disadvantage,,,, So it's mixed pleasent arm ,,,,
So, we are not about discussing an existance
Hi nihil ,,,, Welcome back
You are right? it's absolutely old, but it is also pretty good ,,,,
I do understand your concerns !!!! ,,,,let me say that there is no entity without having advantage and disadvantage,,,, So it's mixed pleasent arm ,,,,
Well, we are not about discussing a moral or ethic Issue !!!!
And about our personality and courageousness, Here an example, If someone involved himself in non-equal or out of armed battle, he will be categorized as an Idiot, cuz he already
knew that he will lose this battle, Here is Is very common Proverb in our country
{Withdraw Is the Half of Victory} ,,,,,
About our Identity,,, The sense of remailers are not to prove our identity but our opinion and our point of view,
so no one will believe you if you'll try to steal my identity by using the reamiler {not the smart one anyhow}
I think it's too hard to trcae me by extracting infos ,,,, isn't it ?
Technically I think it's not possible to trace me in the way you mintioned above
Regards,,,
All the Best
Hi da_zero,
I am afraid that it will be technically possible to trace you.
You connect your PC to a telephone line, that has to be registered to someone? so can be traced back to them?
You use the line to connect to your ISP, where you have an account. Your ISP will monitor the IP addresses of who you connect to, so this information will be available to al-Mukhabarat?
If your ISP reports attempts to contact "seditious services" such as anonymous re-mailers, you will be in BIG trouble! They do not need to know who you mailed or what you mailed, just that you did it in a clandestine fashion.
al-Mukhabarat have over twenty years' experience of supressing free speech...........I would not mess about with them. It IS NOT "a game" it is very serious and for real.
Good Luck :)
i am with da_zero on this one
Hi tejaswyappalla
We are all WITH da_zero , at least those of us who believe in Democracy, Civil liberties, and Freedom of Speech.Quote:
i am with da_zero on this one
Some of us are rather concerned about his personal safety, and that of his family and friends.
If ANYONE does not understand this concern.............please run the following Google search:
"syrian secret police" and read the resulting links. I think you will then understand our concern. You might also search for "al-Mukhabarat"
David L Smith, otherwise known as vicodinES, was the author of the "Melissa" virus. The FBI were initially able to link Smith to his vicodinES alias via his ISP logs , and that is in a democratic country, with an enormous internet usage.
It actually took me all of two minutes. I obtained a copy of the "Office 97 Poppy Macro Virus Generation Toolkit" by the aforementioned VicodinES. I dismantled it, and found that it had been produced by one David L Smith..............he used a copy of MS Office 97 that he had registered in his own name :rolleyes: You will be amazed what incriminating evidence is available.
We have had internet child pornographers convicted in this country thanks to initial information provided by the FBI :D unfortunately the sentences were too lenient :mad:
I would suggest that most people with IT and internet security experience would agree that what da_zero is proposing is very dangerous, in a country that actually has a secret police. By "secret police", I mean an organisation that has powers and an accountability above and beyond the regular law enforcement agencies, (and the parameters defined by the written/established law), that operates in a clandestine and unlawful manner.
I would not imagine that computer ownership and private internet connections are as widespread as in India, the USA, or the European Union? This must make al-Mukhabarat's job a lot easier?
A final question: how do any of you know that I am not the new head of al-Mukhabarat, who has infiltrated AO looking for security ideas and any Syrian "naughty boys"? For all you know, my agents/officers/thugs are outside da_zero's appartment right now, tapping their rubber truncheons on the dashboards of their cruise cars?
Anonyminity is a double edged sword!
Cheers