News!!!!

Hello EveryOne
Well here is the News..a person here in Pakistan at Sialkot city has developed a compression algorithim that compresses 20 Gigabytes of raw data in 1.44 MB so that it could e put into a floppy. I 've met the person. He showed me the algorithim and demonstarted the compression to me. He was visited by WinZip team, they offered him a few thousand dollars. He turned down the offer and now he plans to publish it under GPL. That would be a great thing to do. What do you guys say???
Ommy

Until I see a link with info that goes into more details... it's kinda hard to accept.

BTW, for future reference you might want to title your threads a little better.

Aye its sounds good, never heard of anything near that amount before but if it can be done.....

Sounds even better that its going to be GPL, good on him!


Robert

Ask for more money.... "A few thousand"..... Robbing Bastards.....Sheesh

Ommy: Are you sure it was not 20 MB on a 1.44MB floppy? That would seem a lot more realistic.

Hmmmm, like the others I find this highly suspicous. based on what I know about compression, how much duplicate data can be tagged and stripped in order to compress a file of that size down to 1.44Mb?

I'd be very interested in link to a legitimate website which has more info on this if indeed it is true.

I call BS on this on, now way there is enough repeat data in 20gb to strip it down to 1.4 mb thats not how compresion works, and if he did aproch winzip no way they only offer a few thousand dollars 50% compression is considered great we are talking 2000% compression here.

Actually its way more than 2000% were going from 20,000MB to 1.4MB which is about 15,000% compression.

I have to agree with the BS this is physically impossible.Were talking about patterns or 0's and 1's and that are ordered in a schematic way(usually doing a tally of a series of 0's or 1's that repeat) for a new represnetation that can be reversed.

S3cur|ty4ng31: thanks for the refresher in basic math...its late in the day and I am too lazy to dig out a calculator :)

IMHO, it sounds too good to be true, so that means it probably is...

I highly doubt it was well.. I remember a guy by the name of Peter St. George
who claimed he cound get 100:1 ratios.. I posted about it here a long time ago.

as it (of course) turned out.. he was scamming to try to get investors.
his site.. http://www.zeosync.com/ is now nothing but a page under construction.

here's an article that talked about him..
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,86986,00.asp

the guys at slashodot did a lot of talking about this guy and compression in general
http://slashdot.org/science/02/01/08/137246.shtml

Ill believe it when I see it. NO cmpany is stupid enough to only offer a few thou for something that incredible, so it makes it impossible to believe.

believe nothing of what you hear and only half what you see.

I have to agree with most here in saying that it seems to be BS. 20GB to 1.44MB seems a little too good to be true. And if it really works then Winzip would be idiots to only offer a couple of thousand, or maybe they are just stingy b@st@rds.

even after saying that, I would really like to look under the hood since he is putting it up under GPL. Most of the guys who say its not possible might want to wait until there is more news on it before commenting. The normal way of compression might not allow for compression ratios like this. But this might be something totally different and it will allow the kind of ratios mentioned. Also it might only work for certain files. That's why winzip only offered a couple of thousand.

But i still thinks it sounds a little fishy to me.

Ah i'm not gonna cast my opinion, but i think that it would be good if all this speculation is true!
I gonna search around alil bit and hopefully find some info on this.
Because it DOES sound a lil bit to good to be true.
But on the other hand, it might just be possible, i mean with all this technology around, it might just be possible.
But hey it could just be a scam like that guy Peter St. George did?
Who know's, but im gonna be waiting to get a peak under the hood of this program, and yeah
Cheers

OMG! 20 gig into 1.4 mb! Somehow I doubt that! even if this guy is the best programmer.. thats a huge compression.. and this could change the way we compute forever... with compression like that.. there isn't any need for CD's and stuff like that... just think about it... Are you sure that info is correct??

right!

"a little too good to be true" ... no way he developed "algorithm" to compress in this ratio... that's BS ... maybe a different physical storage method.. but that's physics... this thred should suicide...

I'd be half curious to see what kind of data he allegedly compressed. Plain text? Pictures? Though with with apparent impossibility, I guess it doesn't really matter.

alpha

20Gb made of of zeroes or ones only would compress just fine.

But are we talking about lossless compression like LZ, Zip, GIF or lossy compression like JPEG or MPEG? Compressing data or images? Sure, I could sample down music to fit in 1.44Mb but it would sound like crap.

Compression ratios depend on the data being compressed, what you're prepared to lose and how you're going to do it. For lossless compression, variants of the old Lempel-Ziv subsitutional compression algorithm thought up in the '70s are still the best and most widely used.

The only way in my view you could get lossless compression of that magnitude would be to work out a complex mathematical algorithm that would generate the data from the algorithm itself. A little like working out a formula to fit a curve in mathematics, but much more complex. Sure you could fit that on a 1.44Mb floppy, but it's way beyond the computational power of anything we have today.

more like working out a formula to fit every mountain road in the usa in mathematics.
I think this one will turn out to be to good to be true. But we can always hope that somthing like this will come out of left field and shock the computing world.

It sounds to good to be true i agree (101%), but we have to see the algorithm, who knows?
Wht if it actually worked??????

:)

A couple of years ago, here in the Netherlands there was also a guy who developed a superior compression algorithm, this meant that you can store enormous amounts of data on a single SIM card which is in your telephone (not the digicams). He stored the algorithm in a safe at some airport in the country. The guy himself is dead now and nobody nows where the algorithm has gone. Therefore I only believe such stories when I see results (wanna see it with my own eyes).

I dont know a whole lot about compression but common sense says no. It is like taking a 200 lb person and compressing them into .01 pounds of carbon, then remaking them. Hehe
-It is I, COMPRESSED ME!-

I know its a little too good to be true..but he showed me the demo. I asked him for his algorithim but he said that he is publisjhing it under GPL, so I 'll get to know it. Since computing infrastructure here in Pakistan is poor. Soon there will be a link over here. Lets hope that it is'nt a scam. The truth is hot to handle though. It would dfinitely revolutionise the computing world with such compression. The other day I was reading an article about DNA computing in a magzine that stated "a square inch of DNA storage medium is capable of storing 1 million gigabytes whereas on th magnetic disk a square inch can only hold 7 gigabytes if data". DNA computers are still in research field (started by Alderman). They have developed a DNA computer in Israel with few drops of water, some enzymes and fuel drops for chemical reaction with DNA strands. Now DNA computing is also a mind boggling thought but yes it does exist there. They have solved the travelling salesman problem, through dna computers.And one more intresting fact is that these DNA strands do not require hardwired boolean logic that an ordinary processor requies. It has built in intelligence. No need of hard wired boolean logic.Moreover it can perform 0.3 trillion operation in a second. Now you guys give it a thought and I ll try to put up the link or even an algorithim. Wish me luck and next time i'll try to put up a link next time. Have fun
Ommy

Ommy: I have worked with some DNA computer gurus in school, they are nowhere near as cool as you claim, the most advanced DNA computer cna play tic tac toe, if it has a modified set of rules and a human dose all of the data transfer (pouring one vial of stuff into another.) DNA computers have not solved the traveling sales man problem, nore are they anywhere near on par with our current computer tech. Hell the tinkertoy computer plays a better game of tic tac toe then the DNA computer. Oh and it dose ru nwith hardwired bolean logic, each testtube being a logic gate.....interesting...yes....impresive...no

Sure it's possible.. using a library based compression Al-Gore-Rhythm, we could compress 20GB of the letter "A" into a few characters! yay!

Oh, wait, I just got an email saying that BILL GATES will give me $100 if I forward it for his new email tracking program!

<freaking big bold blinking red letters> Um, where's the starter of this thread? I think we need a response on this, a link, or something. </<freaking big bold blinking red letters>

Ok then. Back to reality..