Racism (read with caution)

Alright, before reading on I did not write this article to offend anyone or to hurt anyones feelings. I am simply posting this thread to express my views and hear others.

The Topic: Racism

This was inspired by reading the Rush L. thread I thought about racism. I would first like to give you all a little background information on me. I am a middle to higher class white male I have 12 brothers and sister 5 of which are adopted from other countries (4 from russia, 1 from china) I love them all. Sure they may have different blood in them but they are my family I would give my life for any of them. The reason for this is because I feel all men are equal I have always treated any person reguardless of color, height, shape of eyes, muscle build or whatever other thing that makes us individuals.

With that being said I get very upset when african americans feel they are being repressed. I am just as much as an immagrant as them. My great-grandparents came over on a big boat. Neither side was given handouts they had to work their fingers to the bones my grandpa was 13 when he was kicked out of his house and told to make it on his own. I know some 'colored' people feel as though the "white man" is trying to hold them down but just look at all the colored people that have succeded MJ, George Foreman, Gary Coleman (woops..haha) But you get my point. I am not saying that their is now racism but people need to 'let it go' why are we so politically correct why aren't we allowed stating something...All men are equal so when are we going to talk like it. If a colored announcer said the white guy can't jump no-one would say anything but you mention something about color and **** flies.

Just wanted to get that out.
(sorry for typos)

Racism undoubtedly exists in a lot of situations in the western world.

However, a lot of African countries are quite happy to use this as an excuse for their policies.
Let's take Zimbabwe as an example. It has gone from being the 'bread basket' of Africa (about 4 years ago) - i.e. exporting large amounts of grain, to being completely dependent on food aid from overseas.

The reason for this is simple, in that there is a very corrupt leader (Mugabwe) who is being actively supported by South Africa, because he doesn't want any white people running farms in the country. If that isn't racist, I don't know what is !!

/me sits back and contiplates getting mad.

I am still thinking about if I am going to get mad or not. I will say this much.
Adiz you might want to pick up a book before you open your mouth. You really.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I am really annoyed right now.

BTW what part of Ohio are you from?
I am really really really getting annoyed I am going to hold my opinion for a sec. before I say anything. I will let you say something else and then if need be I will do one of my extremely long explanations.

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I am really annoyed right now.

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I can't help you with that. I am not at all saying racism is good I dislike it, all I am saying is we no longer have slaves. I have friends who have lost jobs because the company needed a good balance of workers. However he was 10 times more qualified than the person replacing him. So please whizkid enlighten me, I am not sure why I

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I am still thinking about if I am going to get mad or not. I will say this much. Adiz you might want to pick up a book before you open your mouth.

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Dude I live in Cleveland and no, I am not surrounded by corn and know I am not some crazy white power friek. All I am saying is that everyone is equal so why don't we all start acting like it. You got something to say post it. I am not trying to hurt peoples feeling I am stating my opinion. Every man for himself, I have colored friends and they work hard and get far I just don't like people saying they are being held back.

Racism has its place, anyone who disagrees is either selling something, plain stubborn, or not living in the real world. The term is what makes it derogatory, but all it is is drawing conclusions based on a laaaaaaaaaarge % of what is *typical* of a certain kind of person. You do this every day, meaning to or not, you look @ someone, you have zillions of preconceived thoughts about him/her for a reason. There are many acceptions, and depending on the situation, you should open your eyes -- but one day, we may find out that certain 'people' are better suited to do certain things, it's in the genes...

Star****ers|Inc

Edit: Everyone is not equal....

Ok....
Adiz you are really pushing buttons here buddy. I don't talk in Cosmos as much as I used to because I got in a really really big arguement with someone once, hopefully this doesn't turn into that.

First I never a Cornfed. I was more going to say other things, but I shall hold those back. Now what part of Cleveland. I know the entire city like the back of my hand. I live in DC, I am born and raised in Cleveland. Now I got a question what Highschool are you from.

Now you can testify that you know friends that have lost there jobs becuase the Company had to even out. Well let's take that first "How the hell do you know that your friend isn't just feeding you some BS?" I mean come on, if I lose my job I am going to find a reason. I want an excuse.

Now as for there being no reason for people ot believe that Racism is strong. You need to be slapped for that seriously you, do. Hum...
Here we go I will use your own city. I went to Glenville, MLK. Guess what when I did I was treated specail. Buy what, Teachers.

I really don't want to continue if I do. I am going to say alot of really rude thing, and I am going come out like an *******.

Ok... I got something for you just to get you to think. When was the last time you got pulled over, and then when was the time before then.

Last time I got pulled over was yesterday, time before that. the week before. Oh and it has nothing to do with the way I drive at both times. I was actually not driving like an idiot.

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You have no idea the things running through, my head right now. You have no idea. How about you go pick up a couple books.

Let me put it like this. You should re-think your own statement.

I got a couple questions for you though. First what part of Cleveland or are you from a Subarb and just say Cleveland for the hell of it.

Second how old are you?

Third Where were you born at?

Fourth What do you think about Mix marraiges?

If you are wondering why I am asking you these questions that is easy. I think you are racist against blacks. That is the honest truth. How can I kind of tell. Well each region has words that are known for to it. That all the locals all the people from that area say. As in North Pop and South Soda.

Well it is more common for someone in the South to say Colored, and someone in the North to just say black. Now there is an exception to this rule. But I won't go over it now. But I honestly think you are racist. With out any doubt, you have some deep seeded beliefs that are hiding. Or may be present. But you don't like blacks. IMHO

But you never know. I could be wrong.

Hey I got another question for ya. What how many Black friends do you have. Oh and don't include people that just work with you.

/me sits and waits.

/me states that he also has AIM.

Racism is learned behaviour.

No one is born a racist.

The real question is how do we stop teaching our children to be racsist, because society has done a piss poor job of it so far.

It doesn't matter where you are from, suberbs or otherhise.
It doesn't matter how old you are.
It doesn't matter what you think about mixed marriages.

None of these things make you a racist or not.

Flame wars, generalisations, stereotypes all promote racism by passing on the behaviour to others.

WE NEED TO LEARN NOT TO DO THIS.

Steve

The point I was trying to make is that it is a serious problem when the majority tribe, political group (whatever you want to call it), starts ganging up and inflicting violence on a minority.
Especially when they are encouraged to do so by the government, police and army, as in Zimbabwe, something which doesn't tend to be the case in Europe.

Of course, on the other side of the coin Europe isn't perfect, but I would find it incredible to assume that the majority of our politicians, police, & army would condone this sort of behaviour. Of course, there are a few rotten apples, but that is not the same thing at all.

I find the PC attitude to some aspects of this very alarming.
I have several freinds who I am happy to describe as 'black', 'coloured', 'mixed race', 'Chinese', or whatever.
I am also quite happy for them to describe me as 'white' to their freinds.
These are not terms of abuse in todays world, merely a statement of fact.

Whizkid - I am not racist in anyway, I have african american (woops am I using that wrong whiz) friends of my own. I don't care what color someone's skin is and if you read my first post then you will realize my family is mixed. I agree that there still is racism but what my point was we gotta stop living like it, yes I feel we are all equal and it we should be treated that way (Whiz - this isn't being racist it is being fair).

I am not going to dignify your questions with and answer, but I am from the Cleveland area I have african american neighbors and I do not feel that they are at all inferior I do however feel that we need to make it an even playing field.

I am not saying that there is no racism, I am strictly stating that since we are all immagrant lets act like it. I have met only one person in my life time who was actually from pure american indian blood. Hard to find in a regular place. So, yes, I am admitting to being a mutt. I have three different nationalities in me. However I am proud to be an american and I feel that we should let our strands of hatred go but with that even the playing field so that all men are truely equal.

Actually I have 4 close black (not derogatory) friends. People I can call up on the celly and hang out with. But whiz, this obviously strung a cord but trying to make fun of my intellect is not going to make me look bad. Reading a book on racism is not going to help me better understand it. I was simply stating something I saw. I truly feel all men are equal (in my mind). Example: When I do an interview I first do one on the phone so as to not initially judge anyone on their appearance. I hate the idea of racism and for someone to get harassed because of something as small as pigment? Come on we min-as-well be neanderthuls.

Whizkid - I am not a racist in my line of work I am continually working with kids from different countries with different backgrounds and I don't see color I see a person for who they are.

Aight!?
(Sorry for any typos that may have occured)

dont have time o read the whole thread now ..go to go to my next class.. i just want to say

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adic u call blacks "colored" i know only racist peple called them colored and not black ....

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and also if you watch TV you will see that there is a lot of racism going ..may sitcoms have only black actors and what about BET (blck entaertainment television ?

There is also (just to name a few):

National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
Black chambers of commerce, seperate from the established Chamber of Commerce in most cities.
National Society of Black Engineers
National Association of Black Journalists
Black Police Association
And the black coaches in the NFL just formed some kind of association.


It's a consiracy!!! :eek:

Just kidding :)

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Racism is learned behaviour.

No one is born a racist.

The real question is how do we stop teaching our children to be racsist, because society has done a piss poor job of it so far.

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steve.milner

You hit the nail on the head

A child does not know color until it taught to them. It's what society is teaching and points out.Racism is still out there and it will never go way as long as it being taught

My premise is that Racism is learned behaviour, since we are not born racist. I only have to look at my 22 month old son playing at nursery to see that is true.

If this is correct how can we prevent the behaviour from being learned. First we must examine where it is being learned from.

1) Home Environment

Racist parents are more likely to raise racist ofspring. I beleive this is the single largest source for learning racist behaviour. It is also the hardest to change.

However I feel that while it is impossible to legislate or otherwise to stop parents expressing racist views (doing so will only make the views more extreme) something can be done. Firstly do not try to stop parents expressing their views, but offer an alternative view in as many other areas of life as possible. I see the TV and Console/Computer games as being an excellent vehicle for the alternative messages. The messages don't have to be blatant, but simply reflect the truth about people.

2) School Environment.

Do not allow teachers or others with authority to express racist opinions - Legislation here works well. Do not allow positive discrimination to occur, since that is simple racism by another route.

Modify racist behaviour already present in children by associating behaviours with consequenses. EG Racist behaviour = essay on Martin Luther King etc.

3) Work Environment

Do not allow employers with authority to express racist opinions - Legislation also works well here . Do not allow positive discrimination to occur.

Develop a culture which ignores racist jokes etc. and does not tolerate directed racist abuse. Use disciplinary procedures to remove problem individuals.

4) Social Environment.

This is another difficult area, where legislation is doomed to fail. Provide alternative viewpoints using a variety of vehicles - Beer mat messages, messages on beer bottles etc. But don't go overboard otherwise a backlash will develop. Mix other useful messages too so as not to make it anti racist targeted.

This wont stop racism right now, or even within a generation or two. But so far what we have done hasn't worked and the right wing politicians with racist messages seem to be gaining in popularity in Europe at the moment.

Just my 2c

Steve

Everyone is racist to some degree. If they say different they lie. It may not be in a harmful way, but they may not want to see your white/black ass humpin' they're daughter. I don't have a problem with that, my grandmother was handed a baby of like color and I would like the same. I've spoke at length about it with my friends (black) and they are of the same opinion. I do have an aunt that married a Blackman, and have a breed cousin who teaches for Miami's football department last I heard. He's a great kid, better than I ever was.

If you work next to me you can drink from my canteen, beyond that I don't owe you sh*t, aside from tolerance. I personally am tired of hearing about what whitey owes the Blackman, or that I should feel a certain way because of what happened before my time. Bullsh*t.

The question I ask to all the Blacks that have a b*tch with whitey is... How many coats, shoes, hats, gloves, books, treats, and toys have you bought a poor black child you don't know ? If it isn't as much as I have...STFU. I can show you many underprivileged kids from at least 4 different schools and thank you notes to go with them, from kids, teachers and admin. alike. whom myself and my girlfriend have looked out for, 75%+ Black. My girlfriend is a teacher in the "Ghetto" schools, she was assaulted by a black child last month. Her brother and sister were killed 3or 4 yrs. ago by a Blackman pulling an O.J. in Texas, although he killed himself also.

So if I follow the current black mind set, him and his owe me something. Do Recon his crib ? pick out the ones that he loves and cares about, and exact my "reparations".

It is not they're parent(s) who tell them they are going to go to college, and the money is there for them, all of them who apply themselves, it's my girl. Hell not even the black teachers want these black kids, very telling.

The absolute worst is when a black says "Blacks cannot be racist by definition" ...lol, check out the blacks around the growing Latino communities. they're the worst. As far as racists in the schools ….Blacks are the worst in language and deed, I get briefed every day around 3:45 from the trenches. So that one won’t wash either.

The African Blackman is the largest "physical" enslaver on the planet TODAY. They don't enslave their enemies, conquered peoples, or a defeated army. They enslave children, because some poor hungry soul(the father) stole his chicken to feed his family. Now he must hand his daughter over. Or children soldiers (boys and girls) whom they've kidnapped to carry arms and munitions and are forced to fight. Most are forced to kill the unwilling in ways Hollywood couldn't imagine, let alone show. In order to bring them closer to the point of no return.

Thru-out history the one nation had conquered another, when the Indian wanted his neighbors hunting lands or resources, he attacked, killed, enslaved and displaced his enemy to secure his hold on the conquered and their land. Same with the yellow man, the white, black or brown. It is men. My forefathers came to America during the war for Independence as Hungarian mercenaries under French command. And returned to fight during the Civil war, making this our home since. My family has shed blood for the blackman and never enslaved one, what more do we owe them ? At the point where your "reparations" touch my pocket, you can count on a fight.

I find it hard to believe that a boat full of crackers yanked up on the beach and started hauling off Africans, there’s too much fight in them.
More like the coastal Africans kingdoms who had traded with whitey, and decided to aid them, to defeat their enemies, conquer their lands, and displace them. while "getting payed". That’s men.
And if your here as a black man chances are you come from a defeated African Nation/Tribe, which was handed over to whitey by your African "brothers".

As far as work goes, I'm an Op engineer with #18 in Cleveland, and know for a fact that contractor will call for "a black" , "a black male/female", a female, or just an Operator. So as a white man I'd say you got things pretty evened up where I'm at. I remember the test for pre-apprenticeship, when they told us that. I sounded off, …it should be the best man for the job, and we should start a Caucasian college fund. Out of the 50+ blacks there not one response. And I've found as a man, that if anyone is to blame for my situation it is me, I am a man and have no need for excuses. For those who do, I offer a box of Puffs-Plus and a 5:00am alarm setting.

I grew up poor in L.A. (Lower Akron) Paris Ave. No heat, No water(except what we hauled in buckets), No clothes to speak of, Duct taped shoes(Tough when it starts to get cold and wet), No electricity( 'cept 3 months a year and only before we went to bed ...heating blankets) I used to go down to Hi-Val gas station to get warm and dry my shoes on the potato chip rack.
I left my fathers house when I was 14, and only went back to save his ass from foreclosure.
So I know what it is to not have sh*t. That is why I do what I can for the children today, whatever color. I do make them agree to do what I did for them, for a child they see in need when they start making the big money.

I must also say that the best man I currently know on the planet is black. He taught me to Operate the old iron, took me under his wing, and looked out for me. He has only one vice...women, but he's married. He's only ever drank once, a half a beer or so, there was nothing else to drink at the time and a neighbor offered it to him. Bought his parents a new home. Never been in a fight. Takes care of his children and grandchildren.

This man grew up in conditions in Alabama we only read about, and today’s kids can’t imagine. So if an argument brings environment into play, to excuse any Behavior, I ain’t buyin’.

There was one time I was driving his new truck back from a gig in southern Ohio, and I was speeding, Johnny warned me but...In the end the cop ticketed Johnny and just warned me although it was my fault. When he got back in he showed me the 3 tickets the cop gave him and I got bent and started to get out to bitch out the cop. Johnny did not want it to happen so I listened as I should have the first time. The thing that got me the most is how Johnny shook it off, as if it was, is, and will be forever, at that point I knew I would have never made it as a black man.

The last fight I tried to get in was over a Blackman, I came to replace him on a machine and the Ironworker out of N.Y. started runnin him down because he couldn’t operate the machine that well. I warned him that he was my friend and that if he continued I would take it personally. He had to add one more thing, so…he went back feeling a little less like the man he thought he was.

When I was asked to pick personnel by my boss for the new division, I chose him because he was a hard worker, no other reason. But I still do not want him humpin’ my nieces. So am I racist…yes. Do I give a Blackman a fair shake and treat them as I wish to be treated…yes Do I owe the black race anything…no I don’t.

It surprises my black friends when I say I’m racist, but when we get down to it, they agree everyone is. And while I can see their disappointment in me because they don’t see it in me, I have told them the truth.

Much, like take I didn't have a lavished childhood. I mean I had all the basic needs but nothing more. I am not complaining I am saying no one was there to offer me anything besides my parents (both of which grew up in the ghetto) we are doing fine now. But when I was a kid nope. That is why he have adopted so many children. That is why I have went and paid to live over seas in an orphanage to fix of their livings. Everything from replacing lighbulbs to laying cement. However, it was a cold region and for 2 months straight me and my company chipped ice. 12 hours a day out in the cold chipping ice, so the children could play.

So, I don't feel we owe anyone anything. I see black people working their asses off getting somewhere. I also know blacks who try to live like snoop-dogg. So, I would help a young black child in their schooling but people who say I owe them ain't getting ****. The war ended a long time ago. My blood linge wasn't even here during the civil war, so get over it!

Racism, pointless, retarded, idiotic. Why? SKIN PIGMENTATION, yeah gg logic.

On another note here, the 'african americans' who feel they are supressed, are the ones you always hear about because they are in the media, same with 'whitey', when the officer asks them to get into the back of the car, they yell "RACISM! SUPRESSION! BRUTALITY!", Ofcourse they will try to hush them up, and they are resisting arrest, these are not the average 'african america', but since the media always covers crimes they are the ones more seen. When was the last time you heard a non-conflicting situation on the news covering anyone? See my point?

Ok....

Well, Where do we start.

Well first I am going to definately agree that racism is a learned trait. No on is born racist. Now after that is said.

Why do you think that it is still so strong. Steve hit it on the head with the first one. Parents that are racist are more then likely going to raise racist children.

Now with that said. Task there is a difference between racism and being prejudice you can be prejudice and not Racist, but you can't be racist without being prejudice.

Now Adiz, let me ask you the same thing I was asking earlier. Why do you use colored?

I mean, in all the time I have been alive(Which isn't that long that word is considered to be a more Southern Word.)

Now for those that were talking about Associations, Honestly I feel most of them are full of it. Just another group to complain about, this does include but not limited to the NAACP, NABJ.

Most groups are there just to complain. Just to make something small look bigger.

Adiz I never said that a book will teach you about Racism, I was referring to the fact that you said Racism isn't big anymore. If I mess quoted you sorry. But I thought I saw something to that effect in your Opening statement.

Now Memory, as for BET. I hate that damn channel. It is full of nothing more then you traditional shot of what you think Blacks are suppose to be. I can't stand the fact that you don't see that many educated Blacks on that damn Station. That is the reason that I don't watch TV. That and many other things. I really look at the Outlook of the entire Culture and I see nothing more then a "Fly Living, Nice Clothes, Nice Car, Cool VIEW." I see that and I just say WTF.

It is truly crazy. I mean think about all the different enovations there are, that different Cultures/races have come up with. I am not annoyed because of just black's I am annoyed for the entire ****ing country.

Oh and Adiz you want a little look into American, look at the amount of Congresswomen/Men, politicians, or As RoadClosed pointed out. Look at the amout of Black Coaches, Black Owners. etc.

Come on. To say that it is not, high anymore is a short thought of expression.

We can look in all things. **** let's take a look at music. Eminem, great artist. But even he said it himself "If I wasn't white, I have half these sells" Hum... what does that say to you.

I can go on in all ways. Now for reverse Eminem also had to prove himself twice as much as any black Artist.

I got a question anyone in here ever read the book the Giver. I think they had the right idea when it came to how to keep people from being racist.

hahahahahha
/me falls on the floor laughing.

Oh well, I don't relish the Idea of continuing this discussion, so I will just try to hold back all my comments.

See I was never talking about just racism towards blacks. I was talking about all racism.

Oh and last, Adiz you said you have a family full of all all ethnicties. But you never said that you had anyone Black.

Sorry...

/me walks out the room, goes and plays Basketball. (I hate Basketball)

Oh we all forgot to even mention stereotypes.

whiz - I agree with most of your comments. However the reason we haven't adopted a black child is because it is hard to do an adoption in the US because the mother can come back for the baby were as overseas (where we adopted from) it is final once you leave the country.

I used the word 'colored' because I felt it was less harsh than black. That is why I put the quotes around it, just to make sure you all understood I don't normally say that, I usually don't even refer to "them" as anything other than a him/her or whatever because I dont like judging a person based on their skin.

So, thats it!

Adiz

Racism has its place, anyone who disagrees is either selling something, plain stubborn, or not living in the real world




I agree racism exists and it wont change so stop whining about it and and try to lessen its effects on society. and yes i agree that the black man uses race as a way to neglect personal responsibility for his own actions. Im not saying all black people do it, but there is a vast majority of them that when faced with a difficult situation will use race as an escape. You dont see a white male get caught stealing a t.v. and blaming it on his race. take it some may but the vast majority will not.

well racism still exists if not in intence form then in other forms. but it exists

I have an idea I call it "The Great Send Back".

If your black and feel the need to complain about being oppressed by the quote 'white man' you should really look at the history books. Where do you think the 'white man' got the idea?
! the chinese !
They had been taking 'black people' for centuries before the 'white man'.

(comparison : henry ford didn't make the first car he just mass marketed/produced.
the 'white man' didn't invent slavery 'they' just mass produced it)

the civil war era - 80% of 'slaves' were WHITE and indentured servants; 20% BLACK

Thank god my family came over with a land grant from the K.O.E.

SO

Back the idea I had, We take all the ancestors of 'black slaves' and return them from where we got them. Back to the mother land. Africa.
There you can feel really oppressed, learn to feel what racism really feels like. NO Money, Straw house, and if your lucky a pot to piss in.

YES there are a-hole skin head believers out there. No I'm not one of them, but whizkid2300 I live in black central PG County Maryland. You live in DC you know what I mean, but for as much you get pulled over, its not as bad a being hit in the head with shovel in Africa cause your to damn lazy to shovel pig crap.

African americans have had PLENTY of room to advance themselves. CONDLOICA RICE faggott, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Clarence Thomas, Colin L. Powell.... You cant simply say there havnt been opportunities for you to Advance yourself or the African American race.

You have no one to blame but yourself for your ignorance and laziness if you never paid attention in school, or didn't get what you wanted because it didn't fall into your lap.

I know plenty of African Americans that pulled themselves up from the sewers of NYC to and became decent young men and started families (2 kids, 3 cars and a house w/a white picket fence [no pun intended]) with good IT jobs, or owning there own businesses. BECAUSE They WANTED to better themselves, and didn't take time out to cry about who wasn't recognizing them for the efforts or past oppressions. NOW they get respect from everyone. ONLY YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR LIFE.. RACISM IS MADE UP (by the white man to keep the black man down so he keeps thinking that everyone is out to get him but really no one is, but they stay so bitter and busy with the racism they never get ahead HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) AND NOT REAL!

As for mixed marriages... Im against it.
(FSF: Why is it once you go black you don't go back? Cause your family wont let you back in!)

Im not racist or prejudice, I hate everyone equally....

K I only read the first few posts... anyway, this is my p.o.v.

Racism exists in the world, equally, between the white and the black and the yellow and whoever else. While it is true that in North America [specifically, in the United States mostly] the 'black man' was enslaved by the 'white man' for a good part of US history, things changed. The opportunity to get a spot in the highlights is equal, coming from that point on[of course, there are other barriers and discriminations happening but...] The age of guilt need stop now, before things get out of hand. The white man paid, it'll never be enough but it can not go on like this much more. What the **** is more racist than an ethnical diversity quota? When you need to have a certain percent of each race, at the possible expense of people that deserve those places. That, I think, is pretty damn racist, because once you don't get the spot in the university, or the company, or wherever, and you know it's because of the ethnical diversity issue... you begin to wish the government, the respective institution, and the whole race of the guy that got your spot a number of very unpleasant things. It's not an individual's fault, but the societal view and this 'age of white guilt' that people should turn to dust. If you really want us to be equal, now...

'Blacks' should try and stop turning every word the 'whites' say as a proof of racism. Sometimes it's just being honest... I'm saying 'you are stupid' not 'you are stupid because you are black' or 'your race is stupid'. Learn the difference! Same goes for everybody!

I personally don't give a damn on the colour of your skin. It's all in the attitude you display, about the colour of your skin and your ethnicity and everything else. That's what I think should make a difference for more people. Colour, country of birth, things like these are part of a game of probabilities and luck nobody should base their judgements upon. What you do in life, however, is something else.

yea i agree with you both. racism definently exists, but i wouldnt say its worse in any way. black people are as racist to white people as white are to black. i live in such a liberal town tho, people think that black people are oppressed like crazy. they have just as many job opportunites as white people do, theres no real reason that they make up 75% of people living off of charity. my town sucks, for example just the other day someone was asking me about this guy, and i was like hes tall, and black. and they yelled at me for saying he was black??? i mean i didnt say it was bad or good or anything, i was just identifying his skin color so it would be easier to spot him. in my opinion racism is overrated, yes i think it definently exists and is a problem, but i think people make it a bigger deal than it is. if you actually look this stuff up youd find out that religionism (or whatever its called) is actually much worse than racism. for example, many terrorists are anti-christian, as in they kill and wont talk to the person no matter what. thats happening a lot more than racism. 9/11 wasnt caused by any racism. it was caused by terrorists who hate all of us who live in America despite the fact that they know very little about and us.

I must admit that I have not read the thread from the beginning, which I will do now, It's just that I saw the title, and I remembered something that I'd wrote in another thread, which I think could be relevant to this discussion

[QUOTE[As far as the discussion on religion goes, it is very simple, no one should be discriminated against on the grounds of their race or religion. Not so simple, if you have never experienced any form of religious or racial discrimination or bigotry, then you have been extremely fortunate or live on a different planet, and to anyone who says they are not racist or bigoted maybe so, but have you never ever had just a teensy weensy racist or bigoted thought ? I dont think so[QUOTE]

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...747#post691747

Deimos326 I don't think the war topic or 9/11 should be brought up. I mean, any terrorist/freedom fighting attack is meant to 'say something', in a very crude and inhuman way. The hatred that muslims manifest is directed at (a) american government's international policies and (b) jews. Interestingly enough, almost all 3000+ jews that worked in WTC were free that day... [no, I won't go into a conspiracy theory issue now].

But, in a nutshell, I think that the attack, like most terrorist attacks of this scale, was not intended to just kill [though, be not fooled, that is a big part of it]. It made a statement which the whole world seems to have heard. America will never reign like it did before 9/11, because America is now vulnerable, and that day has shown this in a very bloody way.

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3000+ jews that worked in WTC were free that day...

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Where does that come from? Was it a holiday? Were they late for work? I remember it was still very early and the buildings weren't full yet?

No holiday. The early hour may be the cause, it just is quite strange that this target was not hit. It may be irrelevant to the whole issue, or it may not be...

I am just curious to the source? Your telling me that 3000 people supposed to work in the center... didn't decide to work that day? And they were all Jewish?

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Now Adiz, let me ask you the same thing I was asking earlier. Why do you use colored?

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Out of curiosity, exactly *what* the **** CAN we call them? OH ****, i used 'them'. SEGREGATION! DISCRIMINATION!! Call the police!!! Maybe some people call "them" "colored" because that is what "they" are? White is a term commonly used to represent 'transparent', just look around the internet; 'colored' is an easy, in-context alternative. Would you object to "Opaque"?

OH ME OH MY, STOP THE ****ING PRESS (</sarcasm>), the DICTIONARY is racist!! Dont believe me? Lets take a squizz at www.dictionary.com;

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5 entries found for colored.
col·or ( P ) Pronunciation Key (klr)
n.
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3. a. The general appearance of the skin; complexion.
b. A ruddy complexion.
c. A reddening of the face; a blush.

4. The skin pigmentation of a person not categorized as white.
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'Colored' is a perfectly legitimate term. Live with it.


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3000+ jews that worked in WTC were free that day...

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That is an ollllld urban legend. It is dismissed here.

Regards..