How to remove ms system apps permanently?

last time when i was in irc my firewall pops up and asked me to allow ftp.exe to act.
uh?
that makes me to decide to remove ftp.exe and tftp.exe from my win2k.
but there were them again...(w2k asked to put things right #cos the files had been replaced
by older versions)
o.k. it's the servicepack i thought to myself and deleted them fom the servicepack folder,too.
now this w2k says i have to put in my servicepack CD to get the files back.
i clicked abort in the lil boxes two times and thought :now you got it.
but NO!!!
they are back again now.
maybe i'd forgotten to take the CD out of the cdrom drive and it was in while booting up.
however...is there a solution?
how to tell w2k that i do NOT want these files?

thx in advance

Is ftp within your services. If you disable it in services it shouldn't be able to run. Definetely don't allow it to act. You must have gotten a request from port 21. Just check to see if it is in the list of services and disable it there and hopefully it will never ask again if you want it to act.

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Yes I did misunderstand. Maybe you could try renaming the files.

you misunderstood ... someone tries to transfer files via ftp.exe with help of a script
unknown started the ftp.exe found in C:\winnt\system32\
it's the ms cmdline ftpclient.
if you don't need it its always a good decision to remove ftp.exe and tftp.exe,a very good decision.
it has nothing to do with running services.
i'm not speakin bout msftpsvc

i only want to get rid of the files, but a function i don't know checks the files replaced by the servicepack and does everything to get it back in place.
so..is there a list file or a registry key where these files are nounced to get checked??

btw. only the thing that i never used ftp.exe before keeps me from getting malwared
stuff or trojan.

Its a "protection feature". It will automatically replace the file if it can't find it.

Normally it will pull files from:

*i386* directories
c:\windows\servicepacks\i386
c:\lastgood

If you delete them from there... they can't come back.

I used to have this problem with windows update.

You can also find them all by searching for "*i386*,*ftp*, *tftp*" (w/o the "") and that will find them all for you to delete.

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Originally posted here by phishphreek80
Its a "protection feature". It will automatically replace the file if it can't find it.

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yeah, it's an anti-protectionfeature

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Normally it will pull files from:

*i386* directories
c:\windows\servicepacks\i386
c:\lastgood

If you delete them from there... they can't come back.

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don't come back 'til you will insert the servicepackCD
btw you are not running 2k ???

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I used to have this problem with windows update.

You can also find them all by searching for "*i386*,*ftp*, *tftp*" (w/o the "") and that will find them all for you to delete.

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i already did a search by doin:
dir /s c:\*ftp.exe {yes,I'm a commandline junkie}

i was really surprised to get the files back
removing these files is a major security issue...
so I HAVE TO KNOW how to tell w2k that i do NOT want them back !!
haven't we all to know that?

...hmmm...again i have to find out by myself..[?]

If you remove them by Add and Remove Windows Component? I'm not sure if this would work but it worth a try!

Pull them from the driver cache first....then do a search and delete all other instances.

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btw you are not running 2k ???

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No, I was using XP Pro at the time I posted that.

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removing these files is a major security issue...
so I HAVE TO KNOW how to tell w2k that i do NOT want them back !!

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Why not just remove all permissions from them? Then they can't be run, or replaced...

Though... anyone with admin priv. can change the permissions back...

Or... I'm not sure how smart this protection mechanism is.. but you might be able to replace it with another innocent program... just rename another program to ftp.exe or tftp.exe and put it in there to replace it. This is just a guess.... as I've never tried it.
Something like sol.exe. :) They can't get far with that. LoL

hey,cool, :) ,it works!!
it seems it is only checked wether a file with the specific name is there and has the correct (service-pack) version.

thx, phishphreek80 !!

(
del ftp.exe
copy cmd.exe ftp.exe :D
)

I'm not quite sure if cmd.exe would be a good replacement... as it is possible to do damage with that.

I'm not sure if a website could execute that with a script in the html and then pass it commands, or anything like that... thats why I suggested solitare.

Just out of curiosity... what happens when you type in ftp://somewebaddy.com into your web brower? Does that still work? I don't know if your browser relies on the ftp.exe... /me wonders.

I suppose I could play with it a bit... hmmmm...

the webbrowser does not use ftp.exe
and about the replacement...the cmd.exe already exists in that folder
try C:\cmd.exe -s:blabla
you will see:
Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]
(C) Copyright 1985-2000 Microsoft Corp.
:)

Ah, k. I didn't know if the browser used it or not. I had assumed it didn't... but wasn't sure.

I know that cmd.exe is already in that folder... but I was thinking it is a bad idea to replace ftp and tftp with cmd. Simply because cmd can be abused given the right circumstances... and solitare can't.

Maybe I'm just parinoid? Maybe thats a good thing? Maybe I need to get a drink? Maybe two? :p

! Cheers ! :P
you must get a third drink for me,too.
i'm still at work :(
and big THX

btw your sig is ...ROFL :D