Virus Writers vs Hackers?

I am doing a report for school. I just finished a report on ethical hacking, which I got an A in woot. Thanks to some of the advice here from AO. Now I have to go into why people write viruses. Now doing this as awhole is very easy, all one would have to do is google.

My question is, what are some the of the tools virus writers use? I need to cite references, program names, websites, and include screenshots in my report. The problem is, when I google references, I get previous reports and stuff, and alot of the stuff I find useful is outdated. More references are needed. Thanks in advance.

Well reason's I differ from most people's opinion. But it is usually to learn. You write it and try it out, send it to a friend or someone. Then next thing you know Bam.

Now as for tools. Alot are just written in plain Coding languages. Like C, C++ depends.

Now for sites www.29a.host.sk

That is a good one go there.

Well, most of the really dangerous virii are written in assembly, but not necessarily..It all depends on the person and their motives..For example if someone just downloads someone elses code, of course that's not virii writing, but if they download a virii construction tool of some type, they made the virus but not necessarily..Try to talk about all these aspects, put some code in your report, should get you an A .

Some people do it out of revenge some just because they can. I know many who have launched against microsoft over thier objection to open source code

ok now thats just stupid...for someone to attack a server out of spite...or just because they dont believe what a certain company stands for is immature on the person's part and in my opinion not a hacker. He isnot a kiddie script either since he coded the virii/exploit but he is the essence of a 'cracker'. Those who do it are usually immature people who are really knowledgable but not responsible...have you ever heard of the phrase "With knowledge comes responsibility" that is the greatest truth i have ever heard.

As for the original question, there are some 'virii' writing programs but those programs are usually used by kiddie scripts...people who tried to learn to code themselves but werent able to actually ever code(kinda like squibs from the book harry potter :)). Most of those programs are now obsolete and most worms/virii are done in c, c++, asm, vb(for non large scale virii). The people who write them are either liek previously stated, immature people who cant handle the power rush of obtaining the knowledge, or as whizkid2300 just built for learning and wham its out on the net...mind you most of those programs are rough and not completely effective until its out on the net and some immature guys gets it and tinkers with it and then it becomes dangerous...jsut look at the last one sandbug(is that what it was called?...cant recall) there were two variations the first was rougher and got contained fast but then some1 got the code and tinkered with it and made it more infectuous. Anyways hope that helps.

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Sorry I left this out my topic, I didn't include it, but I covered all the aspects on why, people's ethical issues on the subject.

But as n01100110 said I need to cite some code, as example, and what not. I need links or I did do a search on antionline, didnt find anything relevant.

Things I need are toolkit names, websites, possibly virii writer groups websites.

I already cited ZdNEt, securityfocus and wired in my report so far.

hmm well i have a tutorial by a friend of mine that goes into virii and explains some and gives an example o an old virus but he shows how it works and blah blah blah :)...if u want i could email the 2 parts to you and maybe u cna use snipets of the code and info he provides on it for your report :)

Ugh... Go to 29a Dude they have code on there.

Now as for the ethical aspect of it... What is ethical to you, might not be ethical to me.

Well while your on the Subject most Hackers/crackers/kiddies are the same people that write virus's.

I have met very few people that don't Hack/crack that write viruses.

So they kind of goes hand in hand.

You might like to search for the "Office 97 Poppy Macro Virus generation Toolkit" by vicodinES.

That will give you plenty of code. If you are half competent (as in do not work for the FBI), it will take you around 30 seconds to find out the author's real name :D

[It took the FEDS 9 months to prove that David L. Smith was vicodinES, and author of the melissa virus.]

You might like to look at the "magistr" virus. That was written by a Russian guy around my age........technically it is extremely competent. I guess the guy was not a "party member" so did not progress to the level that he felt he deserved................it was his way of proving himself to himself?.............he has written quite a lot of other stuff............you get to recognise their styles........

I guess that there are two basic sorts of virus author:

1. Skiddies, who just do it for a "prank" or joke.
2. Social misfits who are trying to prove something..........same sort of people who assassinate the famous...it is their "five minutes of glory"?

Good luck with your paper

Well you can pm me, and i will give you some code.
I can send you live virus too (i have a collection), but guess thats of no help for the SCHOOL PROJECT :D

:)

I think you should start at the roots of this whole mess. Why not do a time line on viruses? Start from the beginning, and work your way to present.

There have been lots of tools kits. One of my fav's was the nowhereman's VCL. If you PM me I've proably got a copy. Might even google for it perhaps. It was quickly noted by McAfee, and anything produced by it was picked up by McAfee's Anti-Virus. Skamworks put out one that did Macro Viruses. These are just some that I have used, evaluated, tested, ect. Infected myself many times. No not accidentaly either. Wanted to learn how to clean up after an infection. Worst virus I ever ran into was NYB...New York Beauty, or as I liked to call it the New York Bitch. Pc booted to a black screen, font=red, "NYB back for good". Pc didn't post, do not pass go do not collect two hundred dollars. Was a SOB to clean up.


I have a few links for you. HERE and
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Helpful or not, there is my two cents.

Good luck with your paper

maybe you can try google and those anti virus site like norton,avg, etc.. you can see updates for new virus there

There are two types of virus writers:
1] Real Coders ... those who have advanced skilled sets and can program from scratch and comprehend virus code ... most of them understand and have learned more then one programming language ... [ There are probably only a few of these ... ]
2] Script Kiddies ... these just wannabies who use virus kits , or understand little or just enough programming to modify the code in a virus ... [ These abound like ants ... ]
viruses can be coded in various programming languages and with script languages as well :
-- Assembly
-- C++
-- VBScript
-- many others ...

Here's the website of a real virus write called "gigabyte". If you dont know who she is well here's a brief summary. She is a 19 year old Belgian virus writer who has coded many viruses. Which among them includes a virus called "Sharpie", which is a proof of concept virus writtern for the .Net platform coded in the C# language.

There is only three virus which have been code in C# programming language so far.

This is gigabyte's homepage
www.coderz.net/gigabyte

You also might find this link useful it is an exclusive interview with the virus writer herself ... They show a picture of her but it's blurred out ...

http://www.techtv.com/news/security/...382211,00.html
-- they talk about how she got interested into programming
-- a litte bit about the "Sharpie" virus and Microsoft
-- tadbits of her personal life
etc etc ....
[ I think that if you added info like this to your project your teacher will probably find it very interesting ...what do you guys think ??]

As for tools here's some links ... links to where you can download the tool ...
Tool Name - Summary
VBS Worm Generator -- Used by the 20-year-old man in Holland known as “OnTheFly”
used it to write the Anna Kournikova worm.
-- Created by an 18-year old hacker from Argentina named
Kalamar.

http://www.hf-downloads.hit.bg/vbs/vbswg200bf.zip

Here is another site which will be of great interest :
http://www.labmice.net
http://home.snafu.de/madokan/mvic/viruscont.html -- click on this link since it will contain the info for which you are in need .... has a lot of Virus Creation Kits which you can download for your project ...

To find out info about a specific virus creation kit just go to google and type the name of the kit and browse through the pages that interest you the most ...

Give this links a try they contain a lot of info ...
[This is a virus bulletin]
--www.virusbtn.com
[ This are all virus companies ]
--www.avg.com
--www.nai.com
--www.trend.com
--www.sophos.com
--www.symantec.com

Hope that this info is helpful to you .....

here are some links about virus makers:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3240901.stm
http://www.silicon.com/software/secu...9116705,00.htm
http://www.silicon.com/software/secu...0004843,00.htm

Perfect

http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cf...3946&u_id=8242

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You might like to search for the "Office 97 Poppy Macro Virus generation Toolkit"

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these "toolkits" and "viri-labs" are really lame...ad you do not know what surprise is in...
same 'bout code you do not understand...
DON'T.

[Funny you should ask that question...last week I finished a book called "Steal This Computer" which belongs to my friend. In the book they have a chapter on how people write vir's[script kiddies, ect], how the said people write these programs/types [C++, VB Script, etc], and the most common reason's for doing to. When I get home I'll post the books reasons along with the citation info that you will need....Or you can e-mail at the address below.]
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King of CaveMen first ,i think, you have to tell the difference between script kiddie and the real programmer - hacker,cracker,virus writer (whatever) which i hope you know. Then you should decribe the difference between the real virus that intrude your system by certain holes and not by an idiot or a defenceless person that download a file by luck (for the "virus writer") by a link without checking the source, but just running the file and then see the effect. The real virus should not let you use your PC "normally" even after a format of disk, that moment mention the blaster and sobig virus as a successfull examples.
I don't have much time so i end this post here, i hope i helped. I know i didn't, but after several months without posting i lost my form ;P.
Thanks for suffering me.

Although i personally belive that virus writing is wrong. Its fine for fun. But when you release it onto a system malicously then thats taking it too far. Plus today its very rare youll find someone actaully writing an origional virus...now a days youve got script kiddies and crackers using programs already made sending out obsolete viruses.

It take more skills to write something like NMAP than a VB script like the I love You virus. I wonder who are the real hackers that ones that do all the TCP/IP programming or the ones that just simply use the programs that are already well documented out there?

It take more skills to write something like NMAP than a VB script like the I love You virus. I wonder who are the real hackers the ones that do all the TCP/IP programming or the ones that just simply use the programs that are already well documented out there?

most skiddies who write virus use lame programs like "hacktheplanet.exe"(i made that up hehehe) which usually create *.vbs files, however in specific terms most c compilers(Borland, gcc that comes with cygwin, MicroSoft's Visual basic(it is the wierdest language ever just to cite a few)) you might want to also add in your report that most viruses are distributed through web pages, games, and (html) email