Cornell University and University of Virginia vs RedHat

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The Fedora? Project (http://www.fedora.info), a collaboration between Cornell University and University of Virginia , has developed an open-source digital repository management system. This project is result of a significant research investment beginning at Cornell in 1998. Release 1.0 was made available to the public as open source to the public in May 2003. Currently, release 1.1.1 of the Fedora? software is now available for download (http://www.fedora.info/release/1.1.1...d+Fedora+1.1.1). At this date the software has been downloaded by hundreds of organizations and institutions across the world. There is substantial evidence for prior use of the name Fedora? by the Cornell and Virginia teams starting in 1998. This includes published papers, web sites, software releases, and public presentations.

In September, 2003, Red Hat, Inc. (http://www.redhat.com) announced the formation of the Fedora Project (http://fedora.redhat.com). In November, 2003, Red Hat announced the first release of the Fedora Core. Related to these announcements, Red Hat has asserted trademark over the Fedora name (http://fedora.redhat.com/about/name.html) and announced its intent to formalize this through a trademark application with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. Red Hat?s assertion of trademark includes restrictive guidelines on the use of the Fedora name.

Red Hat?s use of the Fedora? brand name and its assertion of ownership over that name are of considerable concern to the Cornell and Virginia Fedora? project team. Red Hat?s guidelines for use of the Fedora? brand place restrictions on use of a term for which the Cornell and Virginia team have over five years of prior use. This position seems inconsistent with Red Hat?s stance on open source and its prominence in the open source community. There are also costs due to confusion about the name. These include misunderstandings in the open source community about the identity of the products and resulting work for the Cornell and Virginia Fedora? support staff due to questions unrelated to their specific project.

The Cornell and Virginia teams have taken a number of steps to try to work with Red Hat regarding use of the name Fedora?. At this date, Red Hat has refused our request to withdraw its trademark applications and reverse its claims of usage restrictions on the name. Cornell University and the University of Virginia are now considering various legal options in response to Red Hat?s actions.

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http://www.fedora.info/fedora.htm

Well, it seems like RedHat will have to get a new new for their new "Home Linux" distrobution, or whatever they're calling it over there now. I agree with people that say they should have just kept "RedHat Linux" as the name and what not, this is just getting more and more into crazyness...

MB

Heh, first they were the only Linux distro on the shelves for 200 dollars, and now they are stealing names and ideas from others.... I told you all redhat was Microsoft in a Tux mask.

lmao, so true... I mean what are they going to do? "RedHat now has all the expliots, virus and trojans that Windows has, now, you can have all the fun you had, back when you admined a Windows system!" ;-)

I think RedHat is going to slowly slip out of the picture, and make room for better Distro's like SuSE, Slackware, and Mandrake, which, are all original names! :-D!

MB

Yea, SuSE actually used to be S.U.S.E. It stood for:

Gesellschaft Software und Systementwicklung mbH.

Which is German for:

Company for Software and System Development Ltd.

That was September of 1992.

In march of 1993, S.U.S.E. started selling Linux on 60 floppy disks.

May 1996 was when YAST1 was included.

March 1997, S.U.S.E. opens a sales company in the US.

July 1998, S.U.S.E. Linux 5.2 is the best selling Linux distro to date.

December of 1998 S.U.S.E. Looses the dots, and S.U.S.E. becomes SuSE.

All of that was long before I even had a computer ;)

Mandrake took the name from the Mandragora/Mandragore/Mandrake plant. It is said to have magical powers, and also can get you pretty high ;)

Slackware seems to be a pun at the word slacker, because no one that likes to slack would ever run that thing. You need to do everything yourself lol.

Stupid Redhat. They're getting on everyone's nerves these days, it seems.

Cornell's my school. :-D Just wanted to add that in, hehe. We will prevail!

I quite like fedora.redhat - It's just a shame that the RH jerks are trying to trademark something that should be just left alone.

I'm sorry Gore, but I could not get on with Suse at all.

Maybe it's time to take a trip via Gentoo

This coporate bull really ticks me off.

Steve

Blah, I didn't like Fedora... it was like RedHat 9, worsened... I do like SuSE though, and Gentoo, and Slackware.

RedHat is getting a bit to corporate for me too... perhaps it is about time they stepped back and took a look at their actions in a broaded perspective.

MB

Gore you copied that from the Suse poster delivered with the CD-ROM's :p

Gentoo will rule the world within a few years, only tolerating Slackware and FreeBSD aside :D

Btw MicroBurn why do you like Gentoo ? And why did you stop using it ?

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What do you mean? I liked it becasue it was fun, and emerge was very nice, it was customizable and would make a great. But, X going slower than I expected, and I wanted to toy around with Windows 2003 for a bit so I installed Windows 2003. Mind you, I still like Gentoo.
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As for Gentoo ruling the world in a few years, it needs a bit of time to grow, and most "avarage users" won't be able to install it, but eventually it will rise from the dead, into power! Mwahahahahahahahahaha.

MB

LMAO , Rise from the dead ... I like that ...

/me blames thread_killer for giving the gentoonitis-virus

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Originally posted here by .: Shrekkie :.
LMAO , Rise from the dead ... I like that ...

/me blames thread_killer for giving the gentoonitis-virus

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It'll have to after I kill it. And Gentoo still aint got **** on Geeko. SuSE and Debian are the true kings of Linux.

Oddly shrekkie and I are friends. with the Zealot Linux wars we get into most people prolly find that shocking. He left SuSE for gentoo, and....Well Gentoo is still just Linux with a BSD mask on too me.

Linux freaks often don't like coorporate stuff, but them developers need to eat and you can't earn money from linux freaks with way to much bandwith on their hands. The newbies won't install gentoo (because they're to lazy to read the ****ing manual), and will install fedora or whatever that is like windows... so who gives a ****... newbies with windows linux >> happy... freaks download gentoo >> happy... red hat dev people earn money >> happy... corporate people have a nice good supported operating system with a good name (redhat cert anyone?) >> happy

In the end all linux is just the kernel with whatever the producers had in mind, so if you don't like it, build one yourself. I don't like Mandrake (goat drool) Talking about corporate: 'suse bought by novell' 'suse doesn't offer iso's for download, you have to buy it or install it by ftp'. Everyone likes slackware, so it's not special enough for the die-hard. Gentoo is nice because all the people think it's hard (showoff) and it has it's portage system wich gives it a little bsd feeling altough it still keeps the home-user feeling bsd has a bit less. Talking about anything revolutionary... nah... You can install the emerge system on any distro if you want, but if you ask me, all famous distro's are pretty much alike except for the 'colours'. They all want to be either user-friendly (windows) or die-hard. If I start looking for something I don't et by default when I do an LFS install, I think knoppix got something new (sorta) with a full gui bootable os with everything you need on a desktop. Then there is gobolinux who tries to change the weird /bin /etc hierarchy:

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GoboLinux is a Linux distribution that breaks with the historical Unix directory hierarchy. Basically, this means that there are no directories such as /usr and /etc. The main idea of the alternative hierarchy is to store all files belonging to an application in its own separate subtree; therefore we have directories such as /Programs/GCC/2.95.3/lib. To allow the system to find these files, they are logically grouped in directories such as /System/Links/Executables, which, you guessed it, contains symbolic links to all executable files inside the Programs hierarchy. To maintain backwards compatibility with traditional Unix/Linux apps, there are symbolic links that mimic the Unix tree, such as "/usr/bin -> /System/Links/Executables", and "/sbin -> /System/Links/Executables" (this example shows that arbitrary differentiations between files of the same category were also removed).

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Those 'new' things make a linux distro a bit more interesting. 'Linux distro's' are overrated imo. I have a pile of 40 different distro's next to my computer and they all "strive to make the switch from windows to linux easier... have better hardware support... are userfriendly... contain everything you need in every situation... are userfriendly... have x windows... have a pinguin logo".
And by now I forgot what my point was, so I quit here.

I'ts really too bad that RH is taking the 800_pound_gorilla legal path with the company. Worse is
the bad image that unfairly reflects back upon Linux as a whole due to miscreants like SCO and
now RH. I recently watched 'Revolution OS' again; funny how much of what was in that film is
completely different now.

We have a number of customers who are going back to Sun. The preception amoung the
suits (who control all the money) is that Linux has become politically unstable and is heading
for meltdown, with no post-conflict winners. The end result, sad to say, is that we have been called
up to replace a lot of RH servers with Sun lately. Whatever gains Linux has made over UNIX™
are looking like they may not be permanent.

-- spurious

Well, there are many other Distro's out there, but it seems RedHat is pretty much "leading the pack" so to speak, some distro's will no doubt follow RedHat's path, but some, will continue to stay the way Linux was made, free, stable, flexable, and great. Hopefully SuSE doesn't follow RedHat as much...

MB

Who cares? As long as it's *NIX and not made by SCO it's fine with me. I'll run any *NIX I can. All I have access too right now is BSD and Linux and a few people have offered Solaris, which is the ****, but there all *NIX. Thats what counts too me.

Personally I think AT%T should have kept UNIX. Or Ken T should kept it...But being AT&T he prolly had to sign a contract when he was hired saying whatever he invented belonged to the company.

I got it!!!!!!! I have a solution!!!!! Give ALL of the rights to UNIX to Jello Biafra!! He wont put up with none of that corporate bullshit.

im sure we can all read slashdot

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Originally posted here by gore
Who cares? As long as it's *NIX and not made by SCO it's fine with me. I'll run any *NIX I can. All I have access too right now is BSD and Linux and a few people have offered Solaris, which is the ****, but there all *NIX. Thats what counts too me.

Personally I think AT%T should have kept UNIX. Or Ken T should kept it...But being AT&T he prolly had to sign a contract when he was hired saying whatever he invented belonged to the company.

I got it!!!!!!! I have a solution!!!!! Give ALL of the rights to UNIX to Jello Biafra!! He wont put up with none of that corporate bullshit.

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Agreed. All Unix and UNIX™ OS's rock, some just rock more than others. :)

btw, If you like Solaris, I think you would really dig HP-UX. HP Unix hardware is totally awesome
and just a little faster than Sun imho. The graphics options are totally sweet. If you want to
check out a _very_ nice but older machine running HP-UX, pick up an HP C3000 on ebay, they
usually go for around $400 USD, but are worth every penny.

-- spurious

Well ,

We have a HP-UX server at work. But If the management platform on top of it didn't need exclusively the HPUX, I would have installed another on it already.

Anyway HPUX and its hardware do have a good performance yes.

Luckely in *NIX we all can choose what we like. In Windows we have to choose what we don't like.

Greetz,