With Microsoft experimenting with search services could this be the final years of google ? and other purely search based services ?
what do you guys think ?
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With Microsoft experimenting with search services could this be the final years of google ? and other purely search based services ?
what do you guys think ?
The END of GOOGLE?!
I hardly think so! Any good sysadmin knows that their IEAK homepage should be set to www.google.com ;)
(not to mention all the other mass browser deployments)
There are sooo many people out there that use google... do you really think that people will turn to microsoft's search engine so they can be greated with tons of ads and their own products first?
Google wants to turn a profit, for sure... but at least they mix in their paid listings with the other listings. They at least tell you which ones are paid...
I'll believe it when I see it?
M$s search engine sucks, and everybody knows it. They might have gobbled up OS market before people could be exposed to alternatives, but in this case M$ is just going to lost the $ and become the the big M :) ....sorry for the lame joke :P
Google is God of the internet. Any opposition to it will result in net like palgues.
I was reading about that Microsoft and their MSNBot but of course it all boils down to this :
Typical Micorsoft always wanting to dominate everything that they can get their hands on. First with their Operating System, next with their web browser and probably others.Quote:
"Company executives hope the program will eventually prove to be the elusive technology that binds its various Web sites, applications and, of course, the dominant Windows operating system."
Now about Microsoft dominating over Google I agree with everyone else not likely to happen. Google in my point of view is a very powerful search engine. Many people already enjoying using it. Yes they might be some people who might like the MSNBot over Google but I doubt that it will be a huge number.
Here's a link to read some more about it ... I highly Recommend on reading it very good article
http://news.com.com/2009-1032_3-1020641.htmlQuote:
"Microsoft's path to expand the Windows empire is leading directly to search king Google."
As to wether MSNBot will be better than Google I guess that we'll just have to wait and see ...
Interesting that was.
But come on i as if anyone or company would be able to take Google down.
Everyone uses it, and it's a well known name.
Me thinks that Microsoft should stop trying to rule the Monopoly so to speak, and realise that they cannot control everything like they think they can..
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As to the everyone uses it answer, the same can be said about Yahoo,Altavista,excite in their day , then came the likes of Ask Jeeves and then we have Google. Its all about innovation and giving something new to the audience. I very much doubt that Google will be top dog in 2 years time. The way i see it is the co-founders should get their $$ before they lose the chance. The problem with being top dog is you have little room to innovate whilst the underdogs can play around with various offering until something catches the publics imagination. Yep MS has the big bucks and spend like $30 million dollars a day on research and can afford to buy the best people and technology so i see no reason for them to not win. Though implementing a Web-search function that will bring together their products will be hard.
esi1 has a point. When I started using the web, the search engine that I was always pointed to was Altavista. Then one day a new ( and innovative ) search engine called Google arrived, and exploded onto the market. All of this is within a few years.
Google gained its reputation, and retains its dominance, by the one simple fact that it produces better results than other engines. While it is able to do this, it will remain dominant. Some time, another engine will come along that is more innovatinve, and produces results easier or better than google can. What I doubt is that MS will do this. Innovation is not something they have a great reputation for, and what is really needed in terms of search engines is innovation, to help people find what they need.
except that MS do not have to take Google down... they could simply buy out Google wholesale, keep the name (and staff if they're lucky) and take it from there... imagine CEO of Google one morning <slap> here you go sir, personal cheque from Bill Gates... $150 million (or however much Google is worht these days)
I reckon the CEO of Google has a bit more integrity than that but you get my point
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zonewalker - you are right, they could simply buy google, and then slowly, over the next few hours, reinvent it as an MS marketing tool.
But my point is that buying google ( even leaving it as it is ) would not guarantee them the top slot for long. There will come along other search engines that will compete and be better, because they will use new innovations in finding material on the net. As has been said in a number of places, the traditional search engine approach is starting to reach the end of the road. What is needed is not google, but another, more radical approach to finding material, and that approach will not come from MS, who will be too busy paying over the odds to google.
MS will not take down google, google will take down google. Curently they are a private company and push most of their profit into R&D, as soon as their ipo hits the investors will not like that at all. The direction of the company will change and they will stop being number 1
Nooooo! Google must never die!
;)
A nice little look into Google :- http://www.fortune.com/fortune/techn...548765,00.html
Google has a great formula in that its page is simple and fast to load, it has a large index and it is simply a search engine unlike the Yahoos,altavista's and the other portals but the think that bugs me is it move towards trying to make money in the form of froogle etc and so eventually trying to become a multi-facetted business. This expansion into other areas will kill google and will happen with any IPO when investors are looking at their yearly dividends from the share holdings in google.
Lets take this conversation another way, are their any search services out there that are going in the right direction in order to take search engines to the next level or even does anyone have any ideas as to the next big think thats going to move search engines over the next 3-4 years.
PC Magazine - special wireless edition 2003 - page 22. The Anti-Search Engine.
IBM's Web-Fountain ? Potential Google Killer ?? using state of th eart tools, pattern recognition, natural language processing, Bayesian Probability theory. It crawls the NET and using these approaches it brings back 'intelligent answers' to questions ?
Not ready yet, but it is in the pieline.
Maybe M$ have jumped onto the wrong boat ???
Foxy, Tell me more as i havent heard about this IBM thing ? if theres a link please provide it as im very interested in learning more.
thanks
actually , Ive just found the link to the anti-search engine page.
Sorry esi 1
my system is having a fit at the moment and keeps throwing me out of IE.
I don't have a link as such anyway, I'm afraid. and now I've just seen your 2nd reply.
As I said, it isn't ready now, BUT.
Here you go esi1 here's a link to where you can learn more about IBM's Web Fountain. Seems quite an interesting to me.
http://www-1.ibm.com/mediumbusiness/...erging/wf.htmlQuote:
WebFountain is a new text analytics technology from IBM's Research division that analyzes millions of pages of data weekly. Using this technology, organizations can access critical business information and uncover valuable insights that are otherwise difficult and costly to acquire by manual methods.
Here's another link:
http://www.almaden.ibm.com/WebFountain/
To learn more about it you can simply just send them an e-mail:
Hope this helps ..Quote:
This is an interesting article to read as well ...
http://www.library.ucsb.edu/untangle/lager.htmlQuote:
Untangling The Web
I would think that people only use Google for the most part because the MSN search sucks. If Microsoft were to build or acquire one that could actually compete with Google, most people would just use that. Think about it. Nearly every computer in the world already ships with the MSN page as the home page. When people realize how much better Google is, they use that instead. Imagine if Windows still shipped with IE3. The browser market would still be a 50/50 split.
When Windows shipped with IE3, Netscape lost something like 80% of its market share and just died out. As long as people had a choice, it was split down the middle. But why download Netscape when you've already got IE?
Then came instant messaging. ICQ was all the rage. They had an 80% market share until Windows began to ship with MSN. Then nobody bothered anymore to look for another client because MSN worked fine.
Remember when everybody used Winamp? That didn't fade as much as my previous examples, but they still lost a huge market share when Microsoft decided to ship a decent media player with Windows.
Wordperfect used to have a 40% market share I think also. That was until Windows began shipping with Word, anyway.
With a market penetration and resources like Microsoft's, you can pretty much crush any competition you want to. And anyone they can't crush they can always buy. Hotmail used to be an independent company which Microsoft couldn't compete with. So they bought them instead to get a foothold in the email industry.
Their slogan should be "If you can't beat 'em, buy 'em."
While I agree with your reasoning, I have to pick up on this. Windows does not ship with Word. Office does. It was the Office suite that killed WP - the idea of selling one integrated ( almost ) package to cover all of your needs. WP could not immediately compete, and was always playing catchup from then onwards.Quote:
Originally posted here by Striek
Wordperfect used to have a 40% market share I think also. That was until Windows began shipping with Word, anyway.
As always, the triumph of marketing over technology. :rolleyes:
Microsoft have the money to try and either buy out Google or advertise their search engine so much that everyone uses it. Plus, they can integrate is with IE/Windows and make it the default search engine (as it is now, IIRC).
However, I can't see Google being knocked off it's podium for at least another six months, mainly because it is so far ahead and Microsoft doesn't have a completed search engine that is capable of competing with it.
The only way anyone will overtake Google in the foreseeable (in computing terms, about 6 months) future is if Google itself makes a critical mistake, e.g. starts charging to search the web, limits searches to x per day, allows people to pay to get to the top of the rankings (this is not the same as Adwords) etc. People will then start looking for an alternative, although not necessarily Microsoft's.
Bad comparison, word perfict started jumping companies around the time MS shiped word. WP went from the word perfect corperation to Novel, to Corel getting a littel more buggy with each jump. Then corel decided to rewrite it in java. Word was a superior product so it took over while WP got muddeld in sales.Quote:
Originally posted here by Schrodinger
While I agree with your reasoning, I have to pick up on this. Windows does not ship with Word. Office does. It was the Office suite that killed WP - the idea of selling one integrated ( almost ) package to cover all of your needs. WP could not immediately compete, and was always playing catchup from then onwards.
As always, the triumph of marketing over technology. :rolleyes: