Help Me! Im Confused!!!

I am greatly confused, by all the tutorials, and they only cover very broad topics about security. I was wondering, if a kind hearted AO member would "tutor" me, and maybe help me learn some things. I understand, that its sort of a "rule" that every one for himself, but i would really like someone to help me out :-/

Btw: I'm a 14 y/o gifted student, interested in ANYTHING related to computers. Please respond, and ill PM you with my AIM, MSN, or Yahoo. (as i havent gotten IRC yet).

So anyone out there with extra time, im open for instructions, i love to learn!

What exactly do you want to learn? Might be good to start at one place like firewalls and then go from there. Is there something in security that piques your interest? When I first started, I got interested in Intrusion Detection. I like the idea of seeing packets and seeing what an attacker is doing. And of the potential to catch them in the act (as it were). :D

if you were so gifted you wouln't neat some one tutoring and teaching you. I recomend that you search google for ebooks in topics that youre intrested. Because some one may offert to tutor you but their strong point is in C++ programing and youre more intrested in network security. And if you do it in youre own its better cause you can specify in lernig just what you whant and that would make you whant to learn more of one topic. and another

Im interested in most ANTHING, but in particular, im very interested in telnet. But yes, intrusion detection would also be very interesting.

Also, i meant to state above, I know HTML, the basics of PHP, and Visual Basic.

regarding telnet, there is absolutely no need for a tutor. just search this site, google , and every other search engine and you'll find more than enough on telnet. but, AFAIK, most of the more knowledgable members of AO have kinda taught themselves. the most valulable piece of help i can offer you is to read read read read and read some more. the tutorials forums are great for this.


slick

Well, when ya get IRC we'd love to have ya at irc.unerror.com and it would be a great place to learn. We even have a JAVA web based client at http://irc.unerror.com. I'm sure you could learn lots from there.

By the way, I'm 15 and if ya ever need anything, just PM me here. :-D

MB

I'm not capable of teaching anyone anything, but I think that you need to find a good book list. It's for certain that there will be the people you require here on site, but at 14 you really do have time to do it slow, and do it right, and IMHO, for what it's worth, search through the archives for any 'basic' subject matter that you require, and post a thread when you can't find the answer there. And finally. Enjoy what you do, as there is nothing worse than doing a job that you can't stand, but you can't go anywhere else ( 'small' off topic whine ?? )

I really don't mean to be mean.... But.... "gifted" is a word that can be taken in a few ways..... Not all of them are "complimentary".......

'Nuff said on that..... ;)

Computers, the internet, connectivity etc. is a _huge_ subject and for any individual to personally mentor you is, frankly, not feasible.... The subject is really too big.

If you are as intelligent as you claim/think/are proved by others to be this stuff isn't really "rocket science". It's plain, logical stuff that, if the basic principles and concepts are understood then the rest should fall quite nicely into place..... Attention to detail, and I mean _detail_, is imperative....

You need to learn the depths of how things work..... I know my stuff, but that might not be your's. Someone else may know better where you are going but it might still be hard for them to properly "mentor" you..... The important thing is that you decide where you are going.... Research what you want and when you have questions about things you don't understand come back here and ask. Someone will know...

Good luck on your quest...... You will value the journey if the journey is what you really desire.

Oh god damn it what is it about telnet lately? If you know VB then shouldn't you already be playing with winsock & makeing your own server and client software by now?

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...625#post694625
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...733#post693733

Also... what exactly would you like to know about IDS? I mean come on dude I dunno what the **** to give ya if I have no idea of exactly what you want... and im to lazy to fill five pages in this thread on the subject esspecially when im not even sure your looking for it.

I apologize for mis-stating what i meant by my thread. I meant, if you consider yourself fairly well educated/knowledged in any subject, and have any free time, i would love to learn from you. All these tutorials, are only basics, and the ones that go in depth, seem to skip a step or something, so im looking for someone, that wouldnt mind walking me step by step through some new stuff. If you don't have anything to offer, please dont critisize the "gifted" comment, that is just a label our stupid schools have placed on the "talented" students. I just thought, if they knew i wasnt a total dumb@ss, they may actually enjoy working with me.

Hey folks...if u cant help the kid...no need for wise ass comments :). I'd love to help you buddy but my I'm not a good teacher...:). Btw...who told slick that most of the knowledgable members here were self taught. Assumption is dangerous my friend ;). Ok...ejd, here's a good place to start: www.happyhacker.org. Although its not as up-to-date...it will give you some grounds to start on. If mittens has the time, she would be your best bet to ask questions to. She's a college proffessor who knows a lot in her field. Also, check her new Tutorials that she has written here in AO. They talk about Wargaming (Legaly )

GOod luck

my humble opinion: if u r interested in so many things u don't have a clue where to start, that's bad. think of 2 or 3 subjects and start there. read & experiment on that subjects and then carry on. but i know what u should avoid: getting bored too fast. cause if that happens 2 u (as 2 most 'gifted' -or whatever-) u'll end up knowing very little about a lot of things, and that won't be of any use if u want 2 become an expert. so, my advise, read and experiment but focusing on 1 or 2 subjects (example: network protocols -start there! and then pick one, for instance ftp, ssh or http, i don't know.) and forget about a mentor: study and learn by yourself. that's the only way 2 truly learn.
cheers. consoleknight.

ejd1:
Like everyone is saying, security is a HUGE topic, but I recommend you start by learning networking (re.; TCP/IP, protocols, etc) if you dont know already. It's the core you need. Additionally, knowing how operating systems work and how system administrators manage them will help as well.

On the basic networking info, here's one site with some good links (there are lots but this is not bad):

Understanding the OSI 7 Layer Model Tutorial - http://www.pcsupportadvisor.com/t04124.htm
TCP/IP Tutorial - http://www.pcsupportadvisor.com/c04100.htm

I have done a lot of research into Social Engineering that I can help you with - here's my post with some good papers:
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...443#post684443

Valhallen posted some good stuff here on SA - http://www.antionline.com/showthread...al+engineering

Happy reading...

Yeah, really happyhacker.org is THE place for newbies.
BTW: if you just look hard enough and read everything it will all start to make sense.

Congratulations to everyone who flamed a 14 year old. You must be very proud.

ejd1: I think Ric-o is on the right track. Start with TCP/IP it is the well spring from which the internet flows.

-Maestr0

You know what? I was just going to say something to the effect like "You really shouldn't be using that sort of language when replying to a 14 year old kid" but didn't want to start anything. Sorry off-topic.

Everything I know is due to years of scouring the internet (and Antionline) starting with firewalls and virus protection. That really was my jumping off point.(how pathetic was that? lol) YOu need to concentrate on one thing at a time or you will get really confused, which I have done :-). Still have lots to learn though. Also, as I've seen here, people like to give the advice "READ UNTIL YOUR EYES BLEED" lol

Reading is good, but stay the hell away from that happy hacker bullshit. Carolyn Meinel is a menace. Her misinformation and arrogance destroy any chance of education through that site.

Search the forums and read books.

The key to understanding security is not in learning how to do an exploit, but in learning "why" that exploit worked. Ask _why_ a buffer overflow can be used to execute code, the individual exploit is only a small part. You learn far more that way.


BTW: if I don't make sense, it's because I've been drinking...

because of the huge range of subjects you really need to think about which area you want to learn.
you say you know HTML and bits of php - do you like designing? then you could focus on that area....which is what i did :) I started off wanting to know everything about computers but if you try to leanr everything you just end up knowing a lil about alot of things and not alot of any on thing.

say you did choose webdesign - you could learn HTML, PHP, JavaScript, etc but that also branches of into other things like graphic design, Flash & animation, 3d modeling - and thjose will then branch of further.

what am trying to say is pick something you like an area which really intrests you and learn the core elements of it. Then once you have discovered what limitations there are with what you have learned - branch of and learn something that will allow you to go beyond the original limitations and so on.

v_Ln

dude i no wot ur going thru i'm trying 2 teach my self but there is not many books apart from "http 4 dummies" in northern england!!!
i'm also 14 and obsessed wit' computers (dont no much yet though)
the other day i asked my it teacher how to use telnet
he just gave me a glazed over look and said you dont need 2 no tht at ur age!?!
my god teachers are paraniod

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and she said to me "you should be a leader not a follower"
I replied "if everyone were leaders there would be chaos, I am a soldier"

I want to be a doctor can anyone help? It's all confusing, let's see there is cardiology, genetics, immunology, allergy, pharmacology, endocrinology and metabolism, gastroenterology and hepatology, geriatric, hematology, infectious disease, internsive care, oncology, nephrology, nuerology, nuclear medicine, pediatrics, dermatology, psychiatry, etc...! it's all confusing and there are so many text books that I was hoping someone would tutor me in basic medicine.

Perhaps I could start by learning the basics of say nuerology. I always wanted to make an evil mind control device. So if you could point me to maybe... an area of headache, blackout, coma, dizziness, confusion, poor memory, pins and needles, weakness, (or the best) involunatary movement - I could get started on my diobolical zombie army right away!

Or if that is not too enticing, how about moving on to transplanting the brain into unsuspecting pre-zombie induced replicants from genetic research you could teach me??? he he he he he - perhaps you can take me under your wing and explain to me, in simple form, how to investigate CT or MRI scans of the brain and spinal cord. Then perhaps direct me toward duplex ultrasonography, spinal CT angiography, MR angiography, EEG, electromyography and nerve conduction studies, evoked potential studies, myelography and invasive digital subtraction cerebral angiography. YES! That should get me started on fiendish plots to world dominion through mad science!

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who told slick that most of the knowledgable members here were self taught. Assumption is dangerous my friend

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Cybr1d, what i meant by that was that most knowledgable member taught themselves by reading books, tutorials, etc. as opposed to having someone explain it to them. and by the way, i realize assumption is dangerous. when you assume, you make an A-S-S out of U-M-E...
:D :D :D


slick

maybe I should say I am a pretty girl only 13, so I will get a lot of help...crying... :o
I am a nature programmer, I know all the stuff about programming and networking, but I dont know where to start or to focus.... :rolleyes: