How to act to newbies.

This thread has come out of an idea entertained in this thread.

Basically it is a thread aimed at junior as well as senior members.

It's reason, the way newbies are treated here at AntiOnline. You gotta admit sometimes we are a little hasty in the way we act to a first time poster, perhaps they deserve it but we should always give them another chance. So here are a few guidelines, hardly rules disobey these and you wont get banned or anything its just to improve the general community spirit about the place.

Ok so here we go.

1. If you see a post that has been posted in the wrong forum, dont reply telling the guy let a moderator know who can actually do something about it. It wont take too much of your time and the newb will soon realise that they have posted in the wrong forum. Of course maybe if one person replies and informs the newbie its no harm but sometimes we get overworked and some people even get negged for this.

Look at the amount of forums we have, it can be daunting and confusing so cut these guys some slack.

2. If a newbie posts something that is completely wrong to the idea of the forum, lets say something about hacking hotmail take time to cool off. We all know its annoying, but we can easily the set the guy off in the right direction if we simply inform them that what their doing is wrong or that a different forum might suit. This solves the problem the user will either move on thus leaving us alone or render his/her way and thus enhance the community and make one less script kiddie. Isnt that better than just negging them and calling them a hax0r etc.

Basically in these situations I'd call for tolerence especially as a lot of the time people reply and threads like this remain at the top and poor ol' mods like me have to close the damn things whereas by the tactic outlined above the problem elimanates itself.

3. Flaming! Flaming is useless, it serves no purpose and only scares new people away. This place can be daunting and if somebody who wants to learn is scared off because they posted an irrelevant question or maybe said something a little stupid then thats a loss for us as well as them. Flaming lessens the quality of posts and the quality of people. Many good people leave at the start, what would have happened if MsMittens had of joined and got flamed and then decided this place wasnt for her, imagine that for a loss, let a lesson be learned.

4. Please dont reply to most questions with either 'Go to google dumbass' or 'this has been answered before dumbass do a search'. Anybody can do that, try your best to provide some knowledge, if somebody asks a really really obvious question than perhaps this is the best way to go but some people seem to think that sharing knowledge means linking to google.

5. Be nice to newbs, we were all newbs once you know!

Ok just some little guidelines, didnt go mad but if anybody has some updates let me know. I'm always one for editing and updating. Pm if ya do. ;)

Ennis
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I highly dissagree with #2... To me saying boo hoo its wrong, is useless. I mean do you think these peaple just wake up one day and say to themselves gee what I do is so good... it could be compaired with everything holy, maybe even be compaired to Jesus Christ himself.

What I really hate with #3 is yeah... now some peaple say im not a nice guy but I also give advice... the words that are in the middle of that aren't always ethical. But then agian thats just me. But whats worse is when peaple green randomly for it... as if I still care about it or have anything else to gain AP wise.

I like the list... one other thing to add though....

If you see someone has already gotten negative points for a thread, don't continue to neg them to death.

Half the time I don't even look at a lost of the newbie threads cause I get so sick of seeing people say... "check google" and all the swearing and other BS that goes on. The threads have gotten lame because even when someone does help, there is so much other BS that happens that it distracts from the thread. And btw...have you used google lately? they did some "tweaking" of their search engine or something and its not nearly as good as it used to be. I tried searching for a company in Saginaw michigan that I know has a web site and never found it. Got lots of other crap though. And lord only knows how many porn sites.

this is something I have been saying for a while now

just take a look for the 2 social experiments ;) (can be found in addicts)

people can be very harsh towards newbies when sometimes all that is needed is a lil guidance and a push in the right direction. I def think there should be a new forum for the really n00b questions - where aps dont count at all so they can post without threat of being neg'd for it

v_Ln

I think we need to give them like 10 posts without negging them, if they post bullshit after 10 posts heg them to hell, if the improve their opinion about hacking and cracking and improve their questions and posts then we should welcome them to AO. Or maybe it should be like when you join that the first 10 posts don't count so we can see if somebody is going to continues bullshit when he posts after 10 posts.

Yes, I fully advocate being nice to us n00bs ;).

I tell you what, if thay dont pm me asking retarded questions and dont continuesly do a irish, post bull and create a stur ect then i will leave them alone.


Nightfalls_Girl

Thanks Nightfalls girl! A round for all our senior members here! :-)

I dissagree with that MemorY, just look at irishassasin AKA... oh aww **** what alot of names. Not to mention all the other *******s that have come by here. It'll just become something new for peaple to abuse. Anyways with irishkid AKA whatever... I mean here is a guy who would C&P jokes in tech humor then post them in about 10 threads just so he would have enought green to flame peaple without being completely banned. Then he also had a bunch of the MODs close threads for him before he got neg for it.

From what I remember he would survive for weeks by playing the role of the so called "Poor old newbie". Look back in time for a moment... I don't remember peaple babying each other nearly as much back when I was new.

If its such a real burdon, if pretending to be nice around peaple and ****ing kissing noob ass is really needed around here... then why the hell do they even bother comeing back in the first place?

I think it's fairly clear to see that what Ennis suggests is merely common sense.

If you've taken the time to read the thread, and are going to take the time to reply "Go check google"...go check for them, list them a link or two, then suggest that google is a good place to look. I do this pretty often, and I get a lot of nice PM's from it. People here are no different than people anywhere else. The net is an unnerving place, and when you're attempting to learn anything as daunting as computers, give people a chance. A lot of you bitch on one hand about people who don't know anything about anything, and then as soon as they try to learn, you jump square in their asses for not doing it the way you want them to do it.


And Specialist, there are no words for you. You are really an idiot sometimes. Why don't you take up a hobby like jogging and see if you can get some of that aggression out instead of bullying behind a computer monitor. You don't impress us.

Once agian... What I have done is no different than what other members have done in the past. Infact I find it funny that the many members whom at one time may have seemed rather "harsh" compaired to what goes on now... then a year or so later these are the same peaple who complain about how rought noobies have it...

And Deb, Unlike you im not out to impress peaple. Juridian said it best...

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Originally posted here by Juridian
If you want happy rays of sunshine and handholding...go watch the carebears.

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Ok we seem to be at least opening some kind of discussion. Specialist I can see where your coming from but maybe you need take time out and realise that members like Irishkid (giving us Irish a bad name tut tut) can cause other newbies to get a harsh time of senior members.

Anyway more discussion is always good.

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Originally posted here by Nightfalls_Girl
I tell you what, if thay dont pm me asking retarded questions and dont continuesly do a irish, post bull and create a stur ect then i will leave them alone.


Nightfalls_Girl

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Originally posted here by |The|Specialist
I dissagree with that MemorY, just look at irishassasin AKA... oh aww **** what alot of names. Not to mention all the other *******s that have come by here. It'll just become something new for peaple to abuse. Anyways with irishkid AKA whatever... I mean here is a guy who would C&P jokes in tech humor then post them in about 10 threads just so he would have enought green to flame peaple without being completely banned. Then he also had a bunch of the MODs close threads for him before he got neg for it.

From what I remember he would survive for weeks by playing the role of the so called "Poor old newbie". Look back in time for a moment... I don't remember peaple babying each other nearly as much back when I was new.

If its such a real burdon, if pretending to be nice around peaple and ****ing kissing noob ass is really needed around here... then why the hell do they even bother comeing back in the first place?

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this is for you, both of you

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Originally posted here by RiOtEr
this is for you, both of you

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AHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

I compleatly agree with being nice...but you gotta draw the line somewhere...thats where negs come in..
if they are post whoring ...or doing one liners...or even double posting..(shut up memory)...then you gotta flame a little bit..just to get them back in line...
but other than that..being nice is a good idea, make the newbs comfortable, to an extent.
in 2 words...tough love


cheers

lol Whanker talking about post whores you have here like 4 days Registered: 12-08-2003

and you have like 97 post most of them at the non-sensical thread.....NFG watch out you have somecompetiton on being one of the biggest post whores here :p

i agree qith memory if the posts get out of hand after 10 or so then the negative points should start kicking in.

100 posts thank you very much

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Originally posted here by RiOtEr
this is for you, both of you

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Go drop dead. and back of the whole english thing, it is getting really OLD.
If that is all you had to say in this thread then you should not of bothered posting in it.
Instead of poting a one liner with 2 quots and a graphic, just to get a few AP's.
I personialy find that to be rather parthetic.

Nightfalls_Girl

ditto

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Originally posted here by WAnKeR
I compleatly agree with being nice...but you gotta draw the line somewhere...thats where negs come in..
if they are post whoring ...or doing one liners...or even double posting..(shut up memory)...then you gotta flame a little bit..just to get them back in line...
but other than that..being nice is a good idea, make the newbs comfortable, to an extent.
in 2 words...tough love


cheers

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Sorry man but essentially I would still consider you a newbie, as for post whoring your as guilty as anybody else.

And NFG thats Rioter's way of saying he wants to have you typing children.

"And NFG thats Rioter's way of saying he wants to have you typing children."

WTF???


Nightfalls_Girl

Thats me being irrelevant.

LOL ok,
/me was temporarily confused!


Nightfalls_Girl

Better than being confuzzled like I do be.

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/me was temporarily confused!

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Temporarily????? :D:D:D (couldn't resist)

/me feels really sad now, evean the NICE mods are picking on me...


:,(


Nightfalls_Girl

Anyway back to the what the thread is about, any more comments?

And we aint nice mods, we are all evil!
mahaha

"And we aint nice mods, we are all evil!"

LOl no your not, you just think you are!!!


Nightfalls_Girl

In reality, this all boils down to common sense and just general respect for others. While respect is generally earned, there should be at least some "civility" to start with. IMHO, it's hard to "hate" someone just after one post (even if it's laden with curse words and such). If it's continual even after polite or straightforward requests of not doing a particular "bad" activity then the gloves are off.

It doesn't mean we hand-hold newbies. It just means we treat them as we expect them to treat us: as equals and as humans (last time I checked we're all human --- 'cept me! I'm just a cartoon action figure!:D) We expect newbies to read the FAQ. I would think that newbies would expect us to understand that they are new and don't understand all the finesse and finer points of our community (which is of it's own creation).

Anyways, some rambling thoughts between exam markings... back to swishing with a red pen!!

" I would think that newbies would expect us to understand that they are new and don't understand all the finesse and finer points of our community "

In saying that, i would also like to point out that the newbies are not dumb, evean if thay like acting as if thay are. the FAQ are posted on th first page, how hard is it to figgure out that thya should read that first??


Nightfalls_Girl

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the FAQ are posted on th first page, how hard is it to figgure out that thya should read that first??

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It's not a question of how hard it is to read that first but rather why read it? It's the old adage of a using a program without RTFMing and then wondering why the simplest of things don't work or not understanding how it does that (e.g., using nmap to get information even with ICMP blocked)

Well, as a newb, I think I can safely speak for SOME of us when I say that we have all posted something really we shouldn't have or maybe we could have worded it a little differently. I came to this site a while ago looking for help. A group of people had numerously hacked into my AOL account and were signing on in my name causing trouble etc. To sum it up, I had gone to the police because I didn't know what to do, where to go or who to turn to. AOL would do nothing about it except change my password, which they (the"hackers") would just as quickly change it back to whatever they wished. So silly me, came here looking for help as to how this could have been done, because the best way to "protect" yourself is knowing the areas that need protecting. I didn't want a step-by-step instruction on how to hack. The way I posted may have seemed that's what I meant. But that isn't why I came here. I have no desire to become a hacker or cracker or whatever, but merely would like to protect myself from further intrusions. So I scoured the site looking, finding nothing easily understandable to a newb, did the unthinkable and asked how it was done. Big mistake. I got negged quite a few times for that. The people doing the negging automatically thought I was here looking for a quick tutorial on hacking into AOL accounts without even asking me to explain my situation. My problem did not involve having a virus or anything most people would have told me to look for. I know the people who did this to my computer. So a couple years later, I have gotten rid of that junk called AOL, but have gotten a firewall, plus the built -in firewall with my Windows XP, have up-to-date virus protection and have learned to "turn off" certain programs in my computer that I do not need, that could pose potential security risks. I suppose everyone is waiting for my point. lol. I think it would be to have a little mercy on us newb's, sometimes we really do have a viable reason for asking "how was this done" PLease before negging us to death, please find out circumstances, maybe we really DO need your help, counsel, guidance, whatever. So as far as having a forum for newb's, yes I would like that very much, so we don't look "inferior" to all the supergeniuses on your site..lol ...You know what I mean, in the most humorous way possible. Please don't tell me I lost you on that last sentence...Best Regards, Sweetlissa

Bullcrap! If your asking "how was this done" well thats fine I guess but come on anyone who owns a computer should know or either take a good guess at what a keyloger does, what a dDoS is, & (ect). But if it's "how do you hack....whatever" then either way... what ever direction your ethics sway towards its still a rather dumb thing to ask. These types of questions not only get redundant and boreing very quickly but it also draws in more and more crowds of wannabe haxwhores who will most likely ask the same question within a week or two.

:confused: Well at the time , no I had no clue what any of those things were. My point was just proven by Specialist's reply. No matter what, we newbs' posts aren't going to be worded correctly for some if we don't even know what it is we are trying to ask. And no, not everyone knows what these basic things are, despite how "popular" they are on Google. I have noticed how the buck gets passed to Google so often. What EXACTLY is this site here for?(AO) The attack did not occur with a virus , or keylogger. They have not and will not ever have direct access to my computer. (them being in the same room as my computer) Wasn't sure how to word that. I do know alot more now than I did then. But I do know this, I will be cautious about asking for any help on this site again.

I was just negged for that.....this is a copy and paste. Rather nasty I think,

"Read the FAQ and you will see why things get sent to GOOGLE and also not every one here knows every thing, if you dont like it then Leave.

- You have contacted this user about this assignment.: AP Poster: Nightfalls_Girl"

I didn't say everyone knows everything, first off. Secondly, who are YOU to tell me to leave?
I have read the FAQ, have you? Also alittle bit of advice, they like it when you spell CORRECTLY in these forums. Thanks.

Let me just add that is the first time I have ever addressed spelling with Nightfalls_Girl.
Sorry about the not editing my previous post as I haven't posted anything for a while and forgot the whole "double posting thing".

ok first of, im not geting involved in a flame war, second of all try edditing your post instead of dubble posting, and 3rd of all the whole spelling thing is really old, so get over it.
and if you read it as i wrought it you would see that i said if you dont like it then leave, i did not say to you to piss of did I, No i didnt, thus i did not tell you to leave.

Nightfalls_Girl

It's okay Sweetlissa, NFG is using AP's when she disagrees with posts on this thread, you're not the only one who got it ;) You also make my point for me. People jump to conclusions with no information...Assuming things, and you all know what they say about assuming. A little bit of time and effort asking you about what you needed the information for (having not read your thread, I don't know what exactly the discussion was) would have probably cleared a lot of things up, and made life easier on everyone involved. However, the internet is just like real life, you're going to find people who are sh*theads and those who are not. At least you're still here :)

Thank you for you reply, it seems, by the looks of NFG history, she likes one line posts and assigns AP for idiotic reasons. I went through alot of her posts and I have yet to find one that was helpful to anyone. So, I doubt she will last long on this site anyhow. Again, Thanks, Sweetlissa :p

LOL, look at this newbie. thinks as she read some of my posts she has the right to asume that i wont be here long.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Look one of these days you will relise that I dont give a crap what you all think of me.

Nightfalls_Girl