I hate Bush , anyone got a problem with that ?
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I hate Bush , anyone got a problem with that ?
ME! Bush is an AMAZING band! :P
No, I just have a problem with your deliberately aggressive and contraversial attitude on the forums. :pQuote:
Your "Bush suckors" statement is the result of a psychoctic breakdown that had to occur to ovveride the constant subconscious impulse to stare at his crotch and have thoughts of him slipping down a water slide in a thong and greased in popcorn butter.
OK, being as how its the festive season, here's the deal..............
You send me 200 Peter Styvesants and George Bush......and I will send you Tony Blair
If you make that 400 ciggies, I will throw in Gordon Brown as well (Gordon Who?...yeah :D )
Have a Merry Christmas, if that is at all possible?
Cheers
EDIT: Zato...isn't that "peanut butter"...or am I thinking of Jimmy Carter? :)
Hmm, who would I rather have run our country: George Bush or Tony Blair? That's a difficult one, but for once I'd actually side with Tony, simply because he at least pretends to be intelligent.
yeah yeah , merry xmas to you too ...Quote:
Your "Bush suckors" statement is the result of a psychoctic breakdown that had to occur to ovveride the constant subconscious impulse to stare at his crotch and have thoughts of him slipping down a water slide in a thong and greased in popcorn butter.
LMAO ROFL LOLQuote:
Your "Bush suckors" statement is the result of a psychoctic breakdown that had to occur to ovveride the constant subconscious impulse to stare at his crotch and have thoughts of him slipping down a water slide in a thong and greased in popcorn butter.
AHAHAHA
*Cheese dies laughing* :eek:
I too think Bush sucks but am confident enough in my convictions that I dont post it in a way that look like some fat old lady is screaming it at the other members.
;) lolQuote:
Originally posted here by Ennis
I too think Bush sucks but am confident enough in my convictions that I dont post it in a way that look like some fat old lady is screaming it at the other members.
At least its not ClintonSucks again... ;)
lol
Well as you all know I love Bush :D
I won't argue with you over why I think so or anything as no one ever wins which is why I've pretty much quit posting here in cosmos.
But anyway you all have a merry christmas and remember
Vote Republican
:D
c'ya
Oh yeah almost forgot
Go away hothaksor
Its always cool to be the devil's advocate, especially when no one else thinks so. But screw all that. Theres nothing funny about what the military has done to the people in Iraq. NOTHING.
I'm not gonna bite I'm not gonna bite. ****!!!
ok
what has our military done to the people in Iraq????????????????????????????????
Don't forget to include sources
Thanks
Mangagement :D
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...15&ItemID=4736
I like this first link :D Nothing about military atrocities here, but still a good read.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...15&ItemID=4737
This second link is a quick read. One of many stories about the occupation in Iraq.
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...15&ItemID=4613
Third link, kind of helpful.
http://pilger.carlton.com/print/100275
This one is good, and its long. This guy is a true reporter. You have to read down to about half to begin reading about bush and iraq.
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/iraqgenocide/PoisonedWater.html
hmm thats funny, lets look at this fact sheet:
http://electroniciraq.net/news/302.shtml
Possible Humanitarian Implications of Military Action in Iraq
•Bombing may destroy the water and sanitation systems, sewage treatment and electricity supply leaving 50% of the Iraqi population without access to portable water and causing sewage to back up into the streets, which could lead to cholera and dysentery epidemics.
See how those two links relate? How could you be so doubtful of violence against civilians? This is the US military we are talking about here. Shoot first, ask questions later:
http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/iraqgenocide/Genocide2.html
Take a look at some of these picutres. I would like to see you go to Iraq and tell the people that live there that you are skeptical of military violence against civilians. Oh, did you see the navy liberators of Iraq conviently all standing in place to spell out '**** IRAQ', hmm wont they make up their mind.
Disregard the 'SATANIC US GOVERMENT' statement, the government isnt deserving of such a title.
Let me quote some liberators of Iraq here:
“We had a great day. We killed a lot of people. We dropped a few civilians, but what do you do? I’m sorry but the chick was in the way.”
— Sgt. Eric Schrumpf
cowardly sniper
with the Fifth Marine Regiment
March 29, 2003
“I think they [Iraqi people] thought we wouldn’t shoot kids. But we showed them we don’t care. We are going to do what we have to do to stay alive and keep ourselves safe. I did what I had to do. I don’t have a big problem with it but anyone who shoots a little kid has to feel something.”
— Private Nick Boggs
U.S. Army psychopath, war criminal
“I wanna get in there and get my nose dirty! I wanna take revenge for 9-11!”
Despite being in-bed-with the U.S. military, the correspondent managed to timidly inform the ignorant, brainwashed soldier that there was no evidence linking the Iraqi government to the September 11 attacks.
“Yeah well that stuff’s way over my head,” said Private AJ, sticking his tongue out all the way down to the end of his chin.
Ok I guess when I said sources I shoud of clarified a bit more.
Sources from respecatble news sources, not from some third party left wing site.
One more question though... So its a bad thing that we accidentally kill a couple of women and children, but its not a big deal that thousands of ours were lost on 9/11? Or what about Saddam murdering thousands of his own citizens?
And also all those so called sources saying that we destroyed their water supply and sewers etc..... Well guess what? We are rebuilding them better than what they were before.
And what exactly is wrong with those pictures? The first picture is a American soldier that has captured a Iraqi, yet these people have the guts to say this "Demonic American soldier humiliating an Iraqi man held prisoner "Quote:
Take a look at some of these picutres. I would like to see you go to Iraq and tell the people that live there that you are skeptical of military violence against civilians. Oh, did you see the navy liberators of Iraq conviently all standing in place to spell out '**** IRAQ', hmm wont they make up their mind.
The second is regrettably a young girl who has died. Unfortunate yes, but casualties are a part of war.
I suggest that you realize that these are Americansoldiers whom we should be proud of, are over there risking their lives to keep another 9/11 from happening, yet all you people can do is call them demonic, satanics, etc.
If you say that about our soldiers then I think you should be banned from this country forever.
Thats just my opinion though.
But don't worry about it. Your not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.
You hate Bush I love Him. Nothing we can do about it.
Besides its christmas and I don't feel like arguing with you.
I'm going to bed :)
It's a liberation, not an occupation. :pQuote:
One of many stories about the occupation in Iraq.
Don't forget that British soldiers (and Poles, and soliders of other nationalities - I can't remember them all unfortunaltey) gave their lives as well.Quote:
I suggest that you realize that these are Americansoldiers whom we should be proud of, are over there risking their lives to keep another 9/11 from happening, yet all you people can do is call them demonic, satanics, etc.
Erm, what happened to this freedom of speech concept that you Americans keep banging on about?Quote:
If you say that about our soldiers then I think you should be banned from this country forever.
*gives up on any hope of getting through to brain-washed nationalists*
Clarify for me what you mean by respectable news source. What is a respectable news source to you? To me it is someone that tells the TRUTH and does not lie or give disinformation. A repsectable news source should also expose atrocities and world dilemmas to people, without worrying about offending anyone, even their own government. News=truth. A respectable news source, in my opinion needs to report WORTHY information that is important for people to know. Who cares about the michael jackson case. It was important for people to know that hitler was taking over the world, not that the head of the FBI was a crossdresser. What is a respectable news source to you? What the hell does someone being from 'some third party left wing site' have to do with anything? As long as they seek to report the truth then what is the problem? Just because they dont wear flashy suits and have a spot on CNN means they arent a respectable news source? That seems close minded to me. Do away with the party labels and listen to what people have to say. I wonder what the american conservatives that did not want conflict with the british back in colonial times thought of the 'Boston Gazette' paper, which was ran by members from the 'Sons of Liberty', and released pro-patriot propaganda. Thankfully people responded to this and didnt knock them off as 'third party left wing liberals', otherwise we might still be under british control and there may have been no United States. Why do you think there are so many independant media news sources ? You think people are just doing it for fun? No. Independant news media arose from a need. A need to get to people and tell them what is happening, tell them things that they will not hear about on CNN or Cspan. So dont knock a news storie just because Geraldo or Dan Rathers isnt reporting it. Listen to the rest of the world. The internet is a beautiful thing. I remember reading on some site that said hackers are truth seekers. Seek truth man. No matter what, always try to get the facts. Thats a respectable news source.Quote:
Originally posted here by cheyenne1212
Ok I guess when I said sources I shoud of clarified a bit more.
Sources from respecatble news sources, not from some third party left wing site.
"Every step towards the truth has had to be fought for at the expense of all that human hearts and human love hold dear." ~Friedrich Nietzsche
"If you shut up the truth and bury it under the ground, it will but grow, and gather to itself such explosive power that the day it bursts through, it will blow up everything in its way."~Emile Zola
**EDIT**
"As veteran journalist Tom Wicker wrote recently, "Bush administration spokesmen have made several cases for waging war against Iraq, and the U.S. press has tended to present all those cases to the public as if they were gospel." We are seeing, Wicker concluded, "an American press that seems sometimes to be playing on the administration team rather than pursuing the necessary search for truth, wherever it may lead ." "
**EDIT**
You make it all sound so simple. :D First of all we dont just accidentally kill a couple of women and children. A couple is 2. The civilian death toll is in the thousands and thats just for 2003; Now if i stop there, i come back to my original point that military violence towards the iraqis is not funny. It is serious ****. Do some research and you will find some interesting stuff. The military doesnt just acidentally shoot a few civilians while mowing down hoards of 'bad guys' like in some 1st person shooter. Rather its the other way around. Dont be surprised. Thats how the military is. Like i said before, shoot first and ask questions later. Ever hear of the 'No Gun Ri' massacre in Korea? Its an example of the mentality that the military uses. Civilians are constantly under attack. And ok, lets say its for a purpose. They died for a noble cause. But what the hell is the noble cause? Dont forget, we arent just losing iraqi lifes in this chaos but american ones as well. And for what? First it was to get rid of weapons of mass destruction and we couldnt find those. Read about the gulf war sometime. It is documented that Iraq under Saddams rule(and im not defending Saddam the murderer) proposed to the US that it would destory all of its chemical and biological weapons(this was before the gulf war and iraqs invasion if kuwait)if other countries in the region also destroyed their weapons of mass destruction. The US rejected this proposal. I will quote Noam Chomsky from "What Uncle Sam Really Wants": "Saddam Hussein was then Bush's friend and ally, so he received a response, which was instructive. Washington said it welcomed Iraq's proposal to destroy its own weapons, but didn't want this linked to 'other issues or weapons systems'. There was no mention of the "other weapons systems," and there's a reason for that. Isreal not only may have chemical and biological weapons -- it's also the only country in the Mideast with nuclear weapons(probably about 200 of them). But "Isreali nuclear weapons" is a phrase that can't be written or uttered by any official US government source. That phrase would raise the question of why all aid to Israel is not illegal, since foreign aid legislation from 1977 bars funds to any country that secretly develops nuclear weapons." END QUOTE So anyways, we didnt find the weapons over there so now we are there to liberate Iraq. Thats the new reason. All of your and my tax dollars going towards tanks, bullets, missiles to kill mostly civilians and replace Saddam with a different regime that mimics his dictatorship but is more obediant to the US. For that money for education and all kinds of goodies went bye-bye. Yes Saddam is a murderer. I agree. 911 was uncommon for the US but research the US's history in guatemala, el salvador, nicaruaga, vietnam, korea, etc, etc it goes on and on and you will see that the US is the biggest terrorist nation today.Quote:
Originally posted here by cheyenne1212
One more question though... So its a bad thing that we accidentally kill a couple of women and children, but its not a big deal that thousands of ours were lost on 9/11? Or what about Saddam murdering thousands of his own citizens?
So its ok then? Well first of all that is a war crime, look it up. Second think of all the people that have gotten sick and died from it so far. Third we are not rebuilding anything, even if it is funded with our tax money the natives of Iraq will have to rebuild it.Quote:
Originally posted here by cheyenne1212
And also all those so called sources saying that we destroyed their water supply and sewers etc..... Well guess what? We are rebuilding them better than what they were before.
I dont know about the first picture. Who knows what the prionser did. Maybe he deserves it. I doubt it but hey why not. The second picture, who knows maybe she deserved it too. Thats our tax dollars hard at work. Remember, shes one of thousands. Slaughtering innocent people in iraq will actually not prevent another 911, it will entice it. We trained Bin Laden. Look it up. Yes our american soldiers are over there risking their lives to set up a new puppet regime that will benefit bankers and investors. And if you think someone should be banned from this country for speaking their own mind then you are against the founding principals of this country that you are trying to defend. Do you understand that?Quote:
Originally posted here by cheyenne1212
And what exactly is wrong with those pictures? The first picture is a American soldier that has captured a Iraqi, yet these people have the guts to say this "Demonic American soldier humiliating an Iraqi man held prisoner "
The second is regrettably a young girl who has died. Unfortunate yes, but casualties are a part of war.
I suggest that you realize that these are Americansoldiers whom we should be proud of, are over there risking their lives to keep another 9/11 from happening, yet all you people can do is call them demonic, satanics, etc.
If you say that about our soldiers then I think you should be banned from this country forever.
In an earlier post you said something about winning arguments about bush. Im not trying to win any arguments here. You can love bush all you want. Im not trying to convince you to hate him. The point of all debate is to learn something from it. I cant say i learned anything from your posts, but hopefully you learned something from mine.Quote:
Originally posted here by cheyenne1212
Thats just my opinion though.
But don't worry about it. Your not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours.
You hate Bush I love Him. Nothing we can do about it.
Besides its christmas and I don't feel like arguing with you.
I'm going to bed :)
Kinda reminds me of the L.A. riots in the mid-90's. You have these dumb ass kids looting stores and beating
the crap out of people in some kind of crazed frenzy; then everyone bitches when the cops bust out with the
tear gas to get the crowd under control and restore order to the neighborhood. Just what the hell were they
supposed to do, ask nicely?
Iraq is a power vaccuum at the moment, and that seems to make people go ****ing nuts whether it's Tikrit,
Bogota, or Orange County. With any luck, Iraq will get their own government up and running soon; that
should put the proverbial 'cork' in all the madness, at least I hope so anyway.
Happy Happy
-- spurious
this lil weasel couldn't keep the no-ap cosmos rule .... are all republicans like this ?Quote:
Bush suckors ...
12-23-2003 10:13 PM Quit being a ****ing annoyance to the forums and start posting something that is worthwhile. These posts of yours are nonsense, BS posts. Start posting good information.!
- contact user about this assignment: AP Poster: cheyenne1212
btw clintonsuxtoo ...
We are willing to make exceptions for special people.Quote:
this lil weasel couldn't keep the no-ap cosmos rule
BTW, don't quote the rules unless you,re willing to
observe them yourself.
And, as always, Don't flick your BIC at the Balrog.
:cool:
Well, the no-ap cosmos rule applies to not negging anyone for expressing their opinion. However, if you post crap then hunting season is open on that particular post. :pQuote:
Originally posted here by H0tH4cks0r
this lil weasel couldn't keep the no-ap cosmos rule .... are all republicans like this ?
btw clintonsuxtoo ...
BTW, if you moan about anti-points without good reason, you're likely to get negged even more.
I am ignorant here...........and most elsewhere also?
Can anyone point me to sites where "American Politics For Idiots" are explained?
We know that you have Republican and Democrat parties...but where do I get succinct information?
I know I could "google"....you do it...how many hits?
Help please...Merry Christmas and happy new year
Johnno
The reason I negged you hothacksor was not because of my political view, not because I disagree with you, but all of your posts have been BS posts, and it seems like all you doing is trying to cause trouble. Normally I never give out AP's in the cosmos forum, but this is a useless post. And thats why I negged you.
Oh and zato we are rebuilding things over there. I can let you call my friend whos an engineer in the army and let him tell you of all the stuff hes building over there for the civilian population.
As far as casualties of civilians and what not, When there is war, casualties happen. Its a fact of life. I'm not saying its good, but I'm saying that we've tried our best to stop casualties, but you can't stop all of them.
Now, I'm going to go play Call of Duty :D
Merry Christmas!
I could care less what the military is rebuilding over there. That is like saying ohh im sorry i chopped your arm off, heres a band-aid. The destruction they have caused cannot be overlooked just because they fix some things that they destroyed. We could have stopped american and iraqi casualties by listening to the rest of the sane world when it opposed going to iraq. War over there is unescessary and its costing money and lives. And your just saying "oh well, thats a part of life". Thats such BS. We can blab about this all day but does it really affect us that much? No. The people that are suffering are on the other side of the planet. You wouldnt defend this BS war if you lived in a city that was constantly under the threat of being bombed.Quote:
Originally posted here by cheyenne1212
The reason I negged you hothacksor was not because of my political view, not because I disagree with you, but all of your posts have been BS posts, and it seems like all you doing is trying to cause trouble. Normally I never give out AP's in the cosmos forum, but this is a useless post. And thats why I negged you.
Oh and zato we are rebuilding things over there. I can let you call my friend whos an engineer in the army and let him tell you of all the stuff hes building over there for the civilian population.
As far as casualties of civilians and what not, When there is war, casualties happen. Its a fact of life. I'm not saying its good, but I'm saying that we've tried our best to stop casualties, but you can't stop all of them.
Now, I'm going to go play Call of Duty :D
Merry Christmas!
So we should of just let saddam be and let him kept funding alqueda so that maybe they could do a bigger terrorist attack?
If I lived in Iraq I would support this war because I would know that it got rid of a dictator and will help to make Iraq a free country with a democracy.
Now whats so wrong with that?
Just one point. Invading Iraq in my opinion will cause more terrorism thatn it will stop.
Thats me for this argument.
well i couldn't care less of the ap's , its just most americans here are so full of themselves, of their politics, of their great army, of their great ignorance., and thats what bothers me.
The manor in which americans post here makes me puke, .... saddam we got him, yay , **** you all, you didn't had somthing to do there except the hijacking oil. Did you guys ever think what your last presidents actually did besides making war ? Did you guys only ever thought about the people you made homeless in irak, lets not even talk about the people losing their loved-ones there.
THERE WAS NEVER PROOF , the evidences were manipulated ...
There are indeed exceptions, but americans being cocky to the rest of the world make me puke.
You are the youngest people on earth, you owe your existence of anyone you attacked in your history ...
Yeah, so what? Bush is an idiot, bush is a hero yadda yadda yadda. Why don't you move to Belgium and have a Duvel?
Oh wait... you already live in Belgium. My bad.
There was about the same amount of physical evidence showing that Sadaam funded Al-quada as there was for him owning weapons of mass destruction. I don't think there ever was a serious risk of terrorist attack from Iraq - the reason I agreed with the war was because we've dealt with a ruthless dictator who tortured and murdered his own people.Quote:
Originally posted here by cheyenne1212
So we should of just let saddam be and let him kept funding alqueda so that maybe they could do a bigger terrorist attack?
Iraq was never a serious security risk to the UK or the US - Sadaam's missles would never have reached us and he wouldn't dare launch an actual invasion of either country because he knew full well that if his forces came with 100 miles of the UK the RAF would shoot them down.
Where is your 'respectable' news source that can prove saddam was funding al-queda?**IN NO WAY IS THE OCCUPATION OF IRAQ REVENGE FOR 911** Yes, Saddam is gone. It didnt require US occupation though. US occupation always leaves a trail of blood. Saddam could have been tried for war crimes without us invading and killing everyone. Im getting bored with this. I might as well be talking to a wall. LOL, what makes you think the government would put so much money towards making iraq a 'free country with a democracy'? How can you beleive that our government would do anything that involves spending billions of dollars without gaining anything for itself? Our government is not concerned with democracy in iraq. We have stomped out attempts at democracy from small nations all over the planet. What our government is concerned with is control. You make it sound like we go over there, kill all the bad guys, build a bunch of shiny new mcdonalds, find a bunch of new nice guys to run the country and then leave just like that? That is a fairy tale. The US will replace saddam but not saddams dictatorship. The last thing the government wants in Iraq is the population making decisions for itself, ie. democracy.Quote:
Originally posted here by cheyenne1212
So we should of just let saddam be and let him kept funding alqueda so that maybe they could do a bigger terrorist attack?
If I lived in Iraq I would support this war because I would know that it got rid of a dictator and will help to make Iraq a free country with a democracy.
Now whats so wrong with that?
Erm, I don't think Sadaam couldn't have been tried for war crimes without an invasion. Do you honestly think he would have surrended to the United Nations to be put on trial for anything? I'm surprised he even let UN weapons inspectors in. The only way to get rid of Sadaam once and for all was to either launch a stealth attack and take him out (extremely difficult, especially given the number of doubles and sons/generals etc. he has), or to invade the country and hunt him until he was caught.
Let's all have a singsong?
"Mine eyes have seen the Glory of the Coming of the Lord,
As he treads across the Vinyard where the Grapes of wrath are stored"
Happy new year and God Bless you all
Johnno
My last post in this thread.
pwaring brings up a good point. If he had nothing to hide then why did he limit the places that the U.N Inspectors could go? Why did he say you can't go here today you have to wait a couple days?
Just think about that.
No matter what president runs this country or what this country gets itself into I will always be proud to be an American!!
What would Bush do?
If the Kyoto treaty had passed and the UN said it had to make inspections in the US?
If it was discovered that the US imports weapons to other countries and the UN said we had to stop and they were going to inspect?
The UN has no soveriengty (I know i spelled that wrong) over any country. If the US has had carte blanche to develop weapons of mass destruction, who are we to dictate to anyone about WMD?
Saddam was evil. He tortured his own people. He played mind games with the world and overplayed his hand. We had to invade because Saddam had insulted Papa Bush and Baby Bush had to make it "right". (Almost sounds like Haiti) Let me guess that WMD's will be found two weeks before the elections.
LOL i was thinking the same thing. Well just have to wait and see. I dont know if the white house would have the balls for that though, that would make alot of people wonder. Especially finding them two weeks before election.Quote:
Originally posted here by fourdc
Let me guess that WMD's will be found two weeks before the elections.
The UN doesnt have any power unless we let it. Look in to the US's history of conflict with the UN and you will understand. Maybe invasion would have been inevitable but we could have at least attempted to work with the rest of the world first when they suggested as trying him as a war criminal before just rushing in with 100,000 soldiers. War should always be the last option, not the first. And maybe Iraq did have WMD but what the **** could they have done with them if they did? How many could they have had without us knowing, especially with our advanced military intelligence? I would imagine it takes alot of work to hide all that **** especially from the US. And all that for what? What would they have done? Where is the evidence showing that Iraq had any reason or anything to gain by attacking the US?
foudc, you are saying every soverign nation has the right to arm themselves with nuclear weapons? To take maniacal egomania to the shores of other nationalities? That the non-proliferation treaties around the world should be eradicated? For once I am glad to live in the middle of the US, the coastal areas would make easier targets. :)
edit/ I think I missed the part where "they" the rest of the world was going to place Saddam on trial for war crimes without our intervention.
RoadClosed,
Does the US have Nuclear Weapons? YES! Does the US have Chemical Weapons? YES? Does the US have Biological Weapons? YES! Have we eradicated our supplies of WMD? NO
Who are we to stand in the "Bully Pulpit" and tell anybody that they have to get rid of theirs?
Though Saddam was evil and hopefully will get the justice he deserves, I cannot fault him for his thumbing his nose at the UN when our own "W" launched his invasion without the blessing of the Security Council.
I am not in support of WMD, I love this planet and most living things. But the reality is the US is in no position to dictate to any country.
If additional states didn't seek power for their dictator greed and personal gain then I would agree with you. The united states has a series of locations across the globe with a single purpose to detect anomolys. It's not anyone's place to explain how but they are often activated several times a year. Boom.
Most of those station's were built or commissioned while we were running our defense policy of Mutual Assured Destruction with the former Soviet Union. I remember the "hide under your desk drills" in school. I remember all of the milk being taken off of the shelves in grocery stores due to fallout from China's Nuke tests.
If a nation doesn't sign a treaty, it isn't bound to it. The anti-nuke proliferation treaty, like the Kyoto treaty only binds nation's that agree to it. Once again, the UN has no sovereignty over any nation whether it be a dictator or a constitutional republic.
But until the "Inspectors" come up with Saddam's WMDs this is a moot argument.
Well one point I agree on is the UN is useless outside of relief efforts but then again I think the Red Cross does a better job. The stations were indeed built to enforce testing, proliferation, etc. but they are still active and reporting events. They were active before INF and a little after the Non-proliferation treaty. I think that was 1970 for the later and now those countries are saying f@ck it. To lay waste to our own WMD while others develop them is silly. To let nations develop them who lack systematic controls such as a stable government that can keep radicals out, is also silly. To ignore the world political landscape as it is and not as you would like it to be is also silly.
Even nations who have signed the treaty think its crap now. The difference between them and the Soviets of old is, they don't care if they die. They would strike first and praise god while doing it. They aren't making them out of a sense of peace. They are making them to spit in the UN's face and elevate their negative power and influence among neighboring countries. I hope someone continues to stand against them so a suitcase doesn't level downtown Manhattan or L.A. Ok, they can take LA but time square is too cool. Korea is a member of the treaty, or was. So were others of recent events.
The United Nation motto is “Peace and Security through Disarmament” There is no sovereign nation involved in the UN but they do have policing powers. Those white tanks I saw in Sarajevo are not a lack of power. In fact our own military units have fought UNDER their banner and UNDER their commanders. To my distaste as I add a personal note. The UN through member nations has granted “disarmament” powers in fact I have read documents that emphasize that the United States bears more responsibility than other member nations to ensure the process is upheld and rogue nations DO NOT achieve nuclear status. It is our business. Of course if you don’t recognize the United Nations, INF, or Non-proliferation treaties then indeed this argument is moot. The fact that 3 nations have come out from under their rocks and declared nuclear status in the last year or two is a signal that the process is under attack and the control mechanism is fallible. At this point enforcement is impossible without full scale conflict that would make Iraq look like a tennis match on Sunday… sleepy. Treaty’s do not work if they can’t be enforced through pressure or action, and if they can’t be enforced what is the point of having one outside of rhetoric and red tape. Another thing we agree on.