AP's

I think it is well Overtime that this be brought up. It has been brought up before but no one has posted a thread about it.

Ok Jupmed. I have a request please kill the AP assigning ability in GCC, Cosmos, and Addicts. None of them deal with Computers or Security.

They are all pretty much Lounge places. Places for people to talk about what ever goes through there mind. I think that having AP's assigning to them is just no needed. Also if you could. Coudl you kill the ablility of these places counting on your Post count.

Sinse it seems that Senior/Addict status means something to some people. It would seem that for you to have people be able to get that status shearly by posting BS would not be what the status or statuses were designed for.

If anyone else finds a problem with this post or Pm me. Alot of the newer members are scared to say something because they might get negged or banned.

As I said before.

AP's suck get drunk.

Quit stealing my lines. Ass.

heh

There is one problem with your plan.....

How many trolls have been killed because of their posts in GCC? If you take away the ability to assign points in GCC, that means that people will be able to post anything they want, which means that it will be completely out of control and ennis will not be able to keep up with the moderation of the forum.

Oh yeah, and shouldn't this thread be in site suggestions? :P

As for post count, that will most likely not be changed, but you can look at someones profile and see how many posts they have in their top 5 security threads. So you can look and say that you have 780 posts of which :

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Newbie Security Questions (53 posts)
Microsoft Security Discussions (30 posts)
Miscellaneous Security Discussions (13 posts)
AntiOnline: How Do I? or What Is? (9 posts)
AntiVirus Discussions (8 posts)

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Now you may have other posts in other secuirty threads, but no more then 8 in any one thread. That means that there are 667 unaccounted posts or about 85% of your posts in non-security threads.

Well the mod shoud be the one who watches this forum and make sure that trolls don't take over.

I have no problem looking at my own posts but I bet that over 40% of my own posts are Computer related I won't say security. But I will say computer. I never claim to have a shitload of Security threads. I personally think that this site has evolved from Security more into a Computer site.

Now as for, The no AP assigning. Yeah I understand it will be hell but, there has to be something. This is getting crazy. I mean I haven't been around for a while like everyone knows. but this is just ****ing crazy. I am seeing AP's everywhere **** that really shouldn't have any AP's attached to them do.

I will be honest I think that the Non-sensical thread should be even.


Oh and one thing about my own account. I have several statements in GCC that are Computer related. SEVERAL. But, I will never say that I have earned or haven't earned the Senior status that is placed on me. That isn't for me to choose. That is for others to choose. But I will say this 2 tutorials. Both of which I think are atleast half decent. A bit of posts that are Computer related. Plus the **** load of Pm'S I have sent out helping people out. Currently I am over 400 Pm's in my Inbox.

Memo got to empty that thing for the second time.

But oh well. But back to the point of this thread. Something needs to be done. I have a theory. But we as a COMMUNITY need to come up with some Idea.

Oh and I didn't post in site suggestions because more people look in GCC then they do Site Suggestions.

whizkid: Who cares man? What does it hurt you if others receive APs? I truly don't understand why you're making this suggestion (especially in the GCC forum) if it really doesn't matter one way or another... the site isn't all about APs mate, remember. :)

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The AntiPoints System is a way for you to weed out the bad users from the good users, while at the same time building your own reputation in the AntiOnline Community. In general, users who are respected as posting userful information, being friendly, and who answer other's questions, will have a high number of AntiPoints. Users who spam, flame, harass other members, or post misleading information, will have a low or even negative number of AntiPoints.

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It's made for the entire site, not just security forums. :)

.... its all a matter of self control .. some have it, some don't ... those that don't are eventually weeded out as seen in recent times .... they come, jump in the deep end, thrash about making a noise and eventually drown .... no real harm done, just a minor irritation listening to them squawk before going under for the final time !!

Even the occasional flames I treat as light entertainment - and when people throw around little red and green gif's it does seem to liven things up and gets the blood flowing so to speak.

These days when I see the letters AP ... the words "Access Point" spring to mind as opposed to the other, having thrown myself into the world of wireless networking - silly me, I thought this was going to be a wireless thread :)

I disagree with killing ap's in all of those forums. The ability to assign negs to retards is how we can self police these forums. If people would use them responsibly and appropriately there wouldn't be a problem. Rather than crippling the system because people suffer from nerd penis envy (green dotitis)....maybe it would be more appropriate to simply remove it altogether and let the mods do the job as stated above, or actively educate people to use the system appropriately.

hahahaha... Juridian said actively educate people that use AO..... hahahahaa

bad juridian bad

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Originally posted here by whizkid2300
I think

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Don't. Thats why we have politicians and scientists.

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Originally posted here by whizkid2300
I have a request please kill the AP assigning ability in GCC, Cosmos, and Addicts. None of them deal with Computers or Security.

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I have a request; kill the AP system and all threads related to it. Also, i would like to point out that GCC is home to many computer/security related threads.

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Originally posted here by whizkid2300
I think that having AP's assigning to them is just no needed.

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I think.. theres that phrase again. APs are not needed, period. Neither are threads about them.

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Originally posted here by whizkid2300
Also if you could. Coudl you kill the ablility of these places counting on your Post count.

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This has been mentioned before. Twice. Check 'Site Suggestions'.

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Originally posted here by whizkid2300
I will be honest I think that the Non-sensical thread should be even.

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(I think!@$@!) No, the Non-sensical thread should be closed.

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Originally posted here by whizkid2300
I am over 400 Pm's in my Inbox.
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Memo got to empty that thing for the second time.

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Man, your **** must be sooooo huge...

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Originally posted here by whizkid2300
But we as a COMMUNITY need to come up with some Idea.

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No, we don't. The reason we have JupMedia ruling over us with an iron fist of death is so a. We dont have to think and b. So we dont have to make decisions.

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Originally posted here by whizkid2300
Oh and I didn't post in site suggestions because more people look in GCC then they do Site Suggestions.

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I want to debate about the existence of God. Hmm, Cosmos isnt on the front page, so not as many people would look in there as saayy.. "Microsoft security discussions". I want my thread to get more hits, so *of course* i can justify putting it there.

Regards..

abtronic and your point being?

If that was suppose to be an attack on me maybe you should try harder. That was a shitty try. Almost worthy of me not even replying about it.

But I guess I will say just one thing.

JupMed Owns the site. But guess what they also said if THE (here is s word that your mommy and daddy should teach you. Or you could just look it up in a Dictionary.) "COMMUNITY"<----(Specail Word.) has any suggestions they will put them in place. So guess what this is a Community Question. So if you don't like, I could really give 2 shits. Maybe you weren't around as much when I came to the site more but. I don't give 2 shits about AP's or what you think about me.

Carrying on, ok. To those people that think that GCC, Tech, Cosmos, and Addicts shouldn't be AP free.

Then what is your suggestion? There has to be a logical answer for this. Because IMO there is major BS going on right now.

But oh well. Maybe I will take another break.


Ugh... Abtronic we got some Penis envy or something floating around? How did the size of my **** get into this conversation. Ugh... yeah maybe we need for you to stand in the middle of Moday morning traffic. I ("THINK") that should solve your problem.

Oh well. Please do not turn this into a flame War. There is enough of that going on around here. If you would like to just Pm me. I can add it on to the 400+ I have to delete already.


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Don't. Thats why we have politicians and scientists.

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Oh and I guess somewhere in my small span of a life. I lost the the right to think. Thinking is something that should be done more. I can show you an example. If you had thought before you tried to reply with that weak ass flame, then you wouldn't be sitting there right now looking like an *******.


Now on to more intelligent people.

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whizkid: Who cares man? What does it hurt you if others receive APs? I truly don't understand why you're making this suggestion (especially in the GCC forum) if it really doesn't matter one way or another... the site isn't all about APs mate, remember.

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The AntiPoints System is a way for you to weed out the bad users from the good users, while at the same time building your own reputation in the AntiOnline Community. In general, users who are respected as posting userful information, being friendly, and who answer other's questions, will have a high number of AntiPoints. Users who spam, flame, harass other members, or post misleading information, will have a low or even negative number of AntiPoints.

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Jehnny your right. But there is one thing you have forgotten.

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The AntiPoints System is a way for you to weed out the bad users from the good users, while at the same time building your own reputation in the AntiOnline Community
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That is what Ap's are suppose to be for. So therefor a reputation built on them for BS, is not a reputation at all.

Oh and as for who cares. I do, I like the site and IMHO, if I see something wrong I will say it. Like that big ass add on the front page is ugly. But I can understand why it is needed. Though I don't ever see it while I am on my home Computer hehe

What is the point of this thread?
/me thinks it's useless

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I have a request; kill the AP system and all threads related to it. Also, i would like to point out that GCC is home to many computer/security related threads.

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That would probably kill AO ...

Everyone needs to grow up here, AO is an online *community* . Well great community if you're asking me, everyone is flaming, disagreeing, and judging everybody.
For example , souleman is the respected member here, (hell i like the dude cause sometimes i talk to him on IRC ), but really souleman, since i signed up here I've seen you rare helping someone. same for Deb ,(well respected, but why ? cause other respected members like her) And yet again , on irc i like to talk to her sometimes, but within this community , nada .

Real respected members here are ( yet again example) Thehorse13, tonybradley, MsMittens, (I'm forgetting alot of members here) heck even n00bs with more knowledge than most of us. People with knowledge are those heroes. So all get off your great high chairs, and start acting like community members.
The AP-system sucks big time... a board is better off with real moderators and admins like Ennis, MsMittens. Only a few that can judge.... I know the present mods are objective ... If not AO is running into its doom.

Well i'm trying to exit here, and i'm not gonna just leave , thats no fun, I'm gonna act just as childish as this moronic ap-system is ....

Greetz,

PS : sorry for the examples Deb, souleman, I do respect you guys, but as persons, not AO-members.

Er...GCC is basicaly the "other" catagory...where any thing that dosn't fit into the forums goes, simply because no one ever botherd to make a "Other Computer relates substance" forum (*HINT HINT!*) I think (yea, I know, amazing isn't it) that if JupM made a forum like this, GCC would become a true lounge and people with problems that didn't quite fall into the other catagories could still get help (since it should go on the main page like the other forums).

- Noia

Ok a few pints, no wait points...;)

Ok first of all if there is no AP's in GCC and I am looking only at GCC here as it the forum I have to mod, then GCC becomes solely moderated by me. By this I mean that AO is self moderated by antipoints, think about it all I do is close, delete threads I think are offensive or are reported, trolls however are moderated by the members through antipoints. I can do nothing but report them to Jup if we have no AP's in here and wait until he replies whilst I close all the trolls threads etc.

Then again we didnt always have antipoints and there was actually less trolls then methinks. We did something I always argue for, if a troll posts ignore the thread and it drifts off the screen into page two oblivion.


Oh and GCC has a feckload of computer/security related posts. Though in general its true that most of us havent got as many posts in other forums that we should blah blah blah. Then again I wouldnt be modding here only that I was the origanal post whore in here before ya'll came along and ruined my party.

Post free I could live with, AP free maybe not.

Whiz want this moved to Site Suggestions?

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Real respected members here are ( yet again example) Thehorse13, tonybradley, MsMittens, (I'm forgetting alot of members here) heck even n00bs with more knowledge than most of us.

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I wouldn't forget phishphreek...

Actually, it is true, a board is better of without a sort of points.
There are enough forums without any kind of points that do well.
There it's the mentality of the people that keep lamers and such away.

People said antionline was going down after it was sold to JUPM, I never thought it was really going down, but in the last few weeks it has gotten worser IMHO.

As much as Juridian and I don't always get along, I do agree with what he said about the APs policing the other forums. In my opinion, we should make GCC, Tech Humor, and Cosmos NOT count towards post count.

But not the APs, then we would have like 900 people running around in their causing hell with nothing we could do about it. And I'm quite sure a few people here would make extra accounts to raise hell in there just to prove that point.

I'm willing to sacrifice my post count for this. Actually I'd prefer it, this many posts makes me feel like a post whore anyway.

I'm all for posts in GCC, Cosmos, and Tech Humor not counting anymore for post count. This would also stop people from post whoring their way into the addicts forum. And also would stop general post whoring into the top ten posters list.

Your comments?

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Originally posted here by Ennis
Ok a few pints, no wait points...;)

Ok first of all if there is no AP's in GCC and I am looking only at GCC here as it the forum I have to mod, then GCC becomes solely moderated by me. By this I mean that AO is self moderated by antipoints, think about it all I do is close, delete threads I think are offensive or are reported, trolls however are moderated by the members through antipoints. I can do nothing but report them to Jup if we have no AP's in here and wait until he replies whilst I close all the trolls threads etc.

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I'v heard that closing a thread and deleting them can kill bandwidth on the site too. I'm not a mod here, but if this is true, then AO would become slower than Windows ME server with an AOL dial up account in the sticks.

I don't have tim right now to read all this, i just want to add that AntiPoints make AntiOnline unique from all the other websites, and that is in the first place what got me to join AO , the AP's. I think it's quiet cool to have some power in your hands to moderate a website you are proudly member off. If you hate AP's, go to another Secuirt website, like Secuirty Forums.com, i think you'll find the people over there are cool too, (i know cuz im a member) but AP's make this site unique, if we destroy them we give the mods too much to do and more threads about cracking and hacking will be showing up by Script kiddies, and if we don't assign them AP's they will stay. If we assign AP's to a script kiddie that just came to AO and give them a reasonable reason i think we can turn their goal around, and turn them to security a bit more then penetration. But if a mod jst deletes their threads and bans them right away we dont have a chance to change their minds. So LEAVE THE AP SYSTEM. It's the members that don't know how to use it. Tell them and don't make another thread with this ****. We've had enouh AP related threads.

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Originally posted by Whizkid2300
I have a request please kill the AP assigning ability in GCC, Cosmos, and Addicts. None of them deal with Computers or Security.

They are all pretty much Lounge places. Places for people to talk about what ever goes through there mind. I think that having AP's assigning to them is just no needed. Also if you could. Coudl you kill the ablility of these places counting on your Post count.

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Here is a summary of how mnstrgrl feels about this:

The post count is related to each userid, and is not produced by counting the user's posts every time it needs to be displayed. Excluding forums from post counts would require some hacking of the thread/reply saving code.


Also, I don't think you can do this, unless you do it retro-actively. This requires a re-calculation of all users' post counts, and all users' antipoints.

A new section was added to the user-profile, where you can see how many of a users posts were in security-related forums.

And last but not least: don't forget that AntiPoints given out in Cosmos, GCC and related forums, don't have the same weight as AntiPoints given out in security-related forums.

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Originally posted by cheyenne1212
Well the mod shoud be the one who watches this forum and make sure that trolls don't take over.

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Mods simply don't have enough power to do that. If trolls take over, all we can do is close the thread and report the abuse to an administrator.
If we close a thread, the troll will just open a new one. You can't assign AntiPoints to a closed thread, so we'd all have to sit and wait untill an administrator comes by.

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I'v heard that closing a thread and deleting them can kill bandwidth on the site too. I'm not a mod here, but if this is true, then AO would become slower than Windows ME server with an AOL dial up account in the sticks.

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Luckily, that's not true anymore... the thread deleting issue has been fixed, and it's smooth as can be now.

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Originally posted here by Negative
Here is a summary of how mnstrgrl feels about this:

The post count is related to each userid, and is not produced by counting the user's posts every time it needs to be displayed. Excluding forums from post counts would require some hacking of the thread/reply saving code.

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I would imagine that the reason for that is purely down to speed concerns, because generating the post count dynamically would require a fairly intensive database query, which would have to be performed around ten times on each view of a page of a thread. Not good!

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Also, I don't think you can do this, unless you do it retro-actively. This requires a re-calculation of all users' post counts, and all users' antipoints.

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That wouldn't actually be too difficult. Take the site offline for a couple of hours, then loop through the posts and set the user's post count to the sum (using the SUM() function in MySQL, if that's the DB server that's in use) of all the posts matching the user ID where the forum_id isn't equal to GCC (say 5), tech humour etc. Same for antipoints. It would require a lot of database activity, but once it was done it'd be done.

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So far I'm listening to the new NOFX CD first. It has some of their videos and views on politics added in. I highly recommend this CD ALOT.

PWARING, Confirmed Kill, Negative, KorpDeth, I recommend you guys listen to this CD. It's very our style.

Sample of lyrics:

Song: The Separation of Church and Skate. CD: NOFX - War on Errorism:

"I want conflict I want dissent,
I want the scene to represent,
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Stop singing songs about girls and love,
You killed the owl, you freed the dove,
Confrontation and politics replaced with harmonies and shticks,
When did punk rock become so tame?
These ****ing bands all sound the same,
We want our fights we want our thugs,
We want our burns, We want our drugs,
Where is the violent apathy? These ****in' records are rated G"

That's a small sample of the lyrics. They rock. I already love this album.

Or they(mods, and admins.) can just tell people that they are watching every AP thats been given out. But lying to us ? hmmmm:)

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Originally posted by MemorY
Or they(mods, and admins.) can just tell people that they are watching every AP thats been given out. But lying to us ? hmmmm

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It's been up for more than 5 seconds, but anyways...
Mods can not see AntiPoints-assignments, and none of us have ever made that claim as far as I know. Did one of the mods tell you they could, MemorY?
And I have no idea what the "lying" part is about.

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That wouldn't actually be too difficult. Take the site offline for a couple of hours, then loop through the posts and set the user's post count to the sum (using the SUM() function in MySQL, if that's the DB server that's in use) of all the posts matching the user ID where the forum_id isn't equal to GCC (say 5), tech humour etc. Same for antipoints. It would require a lot of database activity, but once it was done it'd be done.

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Let's be reasonable here; how much advertising revenue would be lost by taking the site offline for 2 hours? And how much would be gained by recounting everyone's posts? That's certainly not a business decision I would make, and I wouldn't expect JupM to do it either. This site's primary purpose as of early this year is to make money, and recounting posts would not generate enough revenue by increasing the post quality to justify the cost.

As for making the post count retroactive, I don't think this is necessary. Just stop counting posts in specific forums. It might not eliminate problems already here, but it would stop a lot of new ones from popping up. As for hacking the code a little, this board is already hacked up more than a Charles Manson victim. What difference would it make? It would take time, yes, but I think it would increase the quality of the posts in the remaining forums enough to justify it. It would also require the creation of new forums for "Other Computer Related Problems" or "General Problems" or something along those lines to remove the security and/or general problem requests from GCC. That way GCC could become much more of a lounge area. We need to look at the type of posting in this forum and determine the best new forums to create. This I think would place more security threads on the main page by keeping them out of GCC, and greatly improve the overall post quality on this board.

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Let's be reasonable here; how much advertising revenue would be lost by taking the site offline for 2 hours? And how much would be gained by recounting everyone's posts? That's certainly not a business decision I would make, and I wouldn't expect JupM to do it either. This site's primary purpose as of early this year is to make money, and recounting posts would not generate enough revenue by increasing the post quality to justify the cost.

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Well, just setup a cron job to do it every night then. I'm sure there's some kind of 'post resync' option in vBulletin (I know there is in phpBB) so why not just hack that to do the same job? Or just resync a user's posts each time they login, or every 5th time, or whatever.

Although in a way I'm not too happy about the suggestion of eliminating posts from GCC, since a lot of them are very useful, if not security-related. I think we should just stick with APs and forget about post counts, because you don't really get a benefit from having 1000 posts anyway (except after 275 posts you get Addicts access).

While it's nice to give the developers suggestions on the steps to take to make the changes you'd like, you are assuming far more about the system than you really should. While it would seem that the changes wouldn't be incredibly difficult or time consuming you do not know if the system was architected properly, documented properly, what their uptime has to be, or the process required to actually develop what you want and push it out (management sign off, code developed, tested, etc, etc, etc). Just keep these things in mind when you are feeling frustrated about why something that sounds incredibly easy isn't getting done right away...

I just said you could tell us that you watch every AP assigment, so people would calm down a bit.