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How is that rude esspecially when I answered it almost the same way you did... only I did it at a much faster rate of speed. I also pointed out that while I forgive him for thread hijacking there is no need to spam with double posts about the same old stuff. I have seen it already so I wouldn't mind seeing it back into the thread it started in. I also gave a URL to sort of ummm help him express and word things a bit better.

But once agian I guess im just a evil and angry person for doing this.

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Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
If you choose insults then you are only degrading the forums,

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Insults? What? So what did I do now? Did I call him names to a point where he suddenly ran home crying to his mother or something?

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Not only do I think the website shoudl stay up, and is a really good idea, I think that anyone stupid enough to pay $80 for a CD titled "hack into computers" not only deserves to lose the $80, but also needs a good swift kick in the arse.

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I am very dissapointed to see so many of our good members here say this. We preach legality and doing things the correct way, but when something else illegal happens in our benifit we rejoice? Two fires make a larger flame, and one illegal act does not make another one legal. We preach that here, and many of you taught me that. Why back down now, when an illegal act of fraud is being commited, and then support it just because it fit's your current situation? This isn't an insult to anyone, honestly.. just me being a bit surprised.

We either condone illegal acts or we accept them. There is no line inbetween. At least, not what the higher ups here have taught me.

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Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
Two fires make a larger flame

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Actually, if there is a fire coming your way, starting another fire will put it out. If you'v ever watched firemen in California, they start controlled fires to help put out the others that may harm someone. I'm not sure exactly how it all works out but two fires actually burn each other out.

How is this related? Well, it's not, but I'm a smart ass.....And I'm, fairly creative so I think I'll make it related because I can:

When people go back and forth with the flaming, eventually they will put each others flames out and the fire dies. It happens here alot, big flame wars erupt, but eventually they die down, it's a great show for spectators, and as long as you stay out of the way, it can be fun. ;) I'm still awake from yesterday, if not everything made sence, blame that.

The point wasn't that people were flaming. The point was that people were agreeing and cheering on illegal activity.

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because you are just trying to force an argument out of me. Insults never need to be directly spoken, they can be implied and hidden well within grammer through tone and content. And, you reedited your post 3 times to "perfect" arguing with me.

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Oh yes... text on a screen can take "tone". And all of my posts have hidden messages in them that reach out to peaple and say ("go **** yourself and die"). Yeah right. Its funny how you were the one who accused me of being rude and then you were the first to jump up and get angry and agressive all of a sudden.

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Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
Two fires make a larger flame

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After accuseing me of being rude with peaple... and after all the stuff you've done just because I said that my posts aren't really rude... after being accussed of hideing things... after all that it is only natural that I find alot of humor in the quote above.

Once again, the point is you are cheering on illegal activity. That is quite clear to I'm sure everyone here, and something I've noticed in AO is never looked highly upon. Is it really illegal? Yes, it's fraud, thus illegal. This isn't an argument, just a notice I took when the same people who told me to choose a legal hacking career rather than a greyhat one, are hollering and thanking the criminal who commits fraud. :) That's a bit two faced, and wrong to anyone here who reads it. In short, saying : "Its WRONG to commit illegal things! Unless it is funny. Or they deserved it. Or.. or.. oorrr."

|The|Specialist, like to complain about your neg's all the time? I never once fanned the flame. I disagreed with your post and recognize the "OMFG I can't believe this kid" attitude. Please don't bicker and argue over negs, as it makes little difference and I would rather handle the situation of the person who knew nothing in a much more polite manner, lest you scare them off.

I'm not trynig to argue with you, just stating part of the way I feel. I'm not accusing you of judging me, but if you think I'm being two faced, well, that's your opinion. I have reasons for most of the way I feel about this. I'm planning on being a Sys admin or something with networking, so breaking into things with a CD to me.....One, they should realise it's a scam, if they don't, then let them learn on their own as this one has.

I can see why it would look hypocritical with what I said, but it was not meant to be that way. I take alot of getting used to because of my opinions on things. I'm not a bad person, but I try to find humor in places it usually isn't present. You seem like one of the good guys who has no problem stating how they feel, now tell me you aren't tired of these damned script kids getting everything handed to them on a silver colored laser written platter.

I don't study law, but if they are so bothered by losing money, then they should contact someone who can do something about it. I'm not saying it's ok to completly rip people off, but this is also the reason people who look into this have a job. Scamming people is not always right, but it's not always wrong in my opinion. I don't scam people for cash or make them lose things they need like money, but it is fun to see how far you can trick people before they realise what you are doing. This is a skill. Social engineering falls into this category, and I think it's important people learn to protect themselves from this.

So, on a greater scale, you feel murdering someone may also have it's "okay" sides? You would murder? And if you would not, then why take the same side and say that you would not scam other people, but approve of it.

This current group of AO posters disgusts me, on a personal level. Where is your morality? Where is your stance on topics other than hopping between two? Is there no one else out there that agrees with me, or am I the only one that will choose one side, and then stick to it? Of course you have your own opinions, but you also have your own actions to explain if/when that situations calls for it. The moment you murder someone, and are taken to court, I dare you to use the excuse "well he deserved it". :( Don't tell me the entirity of AO is like this, choosing no middle ground so that they may defy a system that should instead be decided upon?

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Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
So, on a greater scale, you feel murdering someone may also have it's "okay" sides? You would murder? And if you would not, then why take the same side and say that you would not scam other people, but approve of it.

This current group of AO posters disgusts me, on a personal level. Where is your morality? Where is your stance on topics other than hopping between two? Is there no one else out there that agrees with me, or am I the only one that will choose one side, and then stick to it? Of course you have your own opinions, but you also have your own actions to explain if/when that situations calls for it. The moment you murder someone, and are taken to court, I dare you to use the excuse "well he deserved it". :( Don't tell me the entirity of AO is like this, choosing no middle ground so that they may defy a system that should instead be decided upon?

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How did me saying I'v scammed people for fun, without them losing anything, turn into me killing people? and then you are going to even think that EVERYONE here is the same? Everyone is different.

Random guess:

you voted for Bush, you think drugs are bad, you think drinking is ok sometimes, and you have kids that you shelter.

How can I jump from side to side? Because killing someone is a bit different then some stupid **** losing 80 bucks. don't dare me to do anything, I'm not a ****ing criminal. at first you had a decent arguement going, and now you seem to be skimming over a few things, grabbing what catches your eye, and running with it.

I disgust you? Hmmm, to bad, deal with it.

Where is my morality? Hmmmmm..... What does my morality have to do with anything? You have taken things so damned far out of context it isn't even funny. you make it seem like every crime is just as bad no matter what. From what I'v seen you say, you would probably think that stealing a pack of gum was just as bad as rape.

After all, they both are wrong right? So why not stick to one side? Well for me, I personally have my head between my shoulders, and not stuck up the rectal cavity in my body.

Now, I'm going to wait patiently for you to see how I compared rape and bubble gum theft, so I can watch you reply acting like I said rapists were not so bad or some other ****. Rapists should be sent to a cannibal Island, so should killers and child molestors. Take all of them, dip them in catsup, and send their asses off.

I hope to God you are never in politics. I'll know if you are though, some poor bastard that accidently tripped and fell and hit a cop would be given the death sentence or something because "It's wrong to strike hitler storm troopers in blue, just like it's wrong to kill a baby, so they can have the same punishment now".

Man, open your damn mind a bit, and see that some "crimes" are NOT as bad as others. With what you just said, you might as well say that anyone who commits any law breaking activity should get the death sentence just because they broke the law.

Do you think speeding is ok? I doubt you go the speed limit when you drive, as almost anyone I'v ever known has done at LEAST 1 mile over the speed limit at least one time. And if you have gone over the speed limit then you're a hypocrit, because regaurdless of the reason, it's still breaking the law. Even if you were rushing to the hospital, it's still breaking the law, because you are not in an emergency vehicle.

Thanks gore. You have put it all into perspective for me. I'm leaving this forum because it certainly isn't what I thought it was, when I first came. People were kind, understanding, and knew the difference between illegalities and legalities. I'm sorry you can't see that, but that same kind of immatutiry, direct insults, and a "pfft to authority" is why I've left so many other forums.

A pity to see a forum with potiential be infested with those who want nothing to do with it's greatness except through insults and arguing.

Well, that's funny, I have not insulted you even once, but then again you don't seem to read any of the threads anyway. It is sort of fun for me to see you leave over two members though, I think I'll put this on my honor wall of things I'm proud of, I have the magic ability of making some jack ass thousands of miles away upset with keyboards strokes. :)

I honestly don't care what you think of me, it's your stupidity that bothers me. That and the fact you might repoduce one day....It scares me something terrible.

Well, you're leaving, bye bye, don't let that browser door hit you in the ass on the way out. And heres one for the road: **** authority, and you too ;)

Sheep. You go do what you're told now, it's way past your bed time! And what the hell are you doing awake anyway? You'v got that brain washing tommorrow morning! Get to sleep or you'll be late for a big day of doing what you are told and kissing ass to get ahead in a rat race, mouse.

Baaaaahhh Bahahahahahahahha BAAAAAAAAH!

That was a translation for the other sheep that may be watching.

Why did you bother even replying? No one told you to be here, if you don't like it, close the window and leave....I still have no idea how you got scamming and killing in the same sentence....The way you were talking I'v been a convicted felon.

And of course when I call you out on it you run off to never return because you know I'm right.

Smile, you're on tricked into caring camera.

You know nothing about me, nor who I am and what I stand for in the world of things. I will not discuss who I am and what is truth about me to part the lies and assumptions you bring, because I refuse to defend them against someone who insults me. It holds no grounds, nor bears any fruit.

You do seem to think I am a *sheep* and a *brainwasher*, and for that I give you a going away present of a tinfoil hat that says "anarchy is counterproductive".

See, got you to reply again. You're to easy. And still you make these jack assed posts that have nothing to do with anything. You said I made assumptions......You acted like I was a ****ing murderer. Dishing something out and not being able to take it rarely gets you anywhere. And weren't you leaving?

Or did you want to report just one more person to admins because "We are mean".

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Nevermind, I now have confirmation I am being reported to the admins.....Lol, you dumb ass.

"I will be reporting this to the admins, and you can count on that"

Well, I'm glad you're there when I need you :)

I feel so loved! You are nothing but a whiny ass ****ing hypocrit. You spew out how you feel and how the world should run in your eyes, but when someone says something you don't like, you neg them and then tell them how bad they are, and then tell on them....Damn I bet you got your ass kicked to hell in high school. Narc.

This WILL be my last reply to you and anything you say. Why? "Don't waste your time argueing with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experiance".

I'm not even going to bother replying to you anymore, you said you were leaving, so shut up or get the hell out. No way in hell I'm going to argue with someone who can't even read.

ok.. bye then..

have fun looking for another forum..

BTW
I don't think it is illegal to not sell illegal cd's :D (try looking it up in a law book)
as long as you give it a good disclaimer, you could go sell packaged nothingness and charge people for it.. nothing wrong with that !!

I like how you think you are forcing me to reply. Quite the bright little punk rocker aren't we? No, this is because you make attacks against my personal character, which amazes me to the maturity level you bring to the forums. I never called your a murderer, I said illegal is illegal. All of the time. I take everything you give me with a very level head, and have yet to lose my temper, so sadly I can take all you can throw at me. And yes I was leaving, but leaving does not mean instantanious and I am quite sure asking someone "wern't you leaving?" amounts to the intelligent reply a middle schooler would give when he feels he has won an argument.

And yes, I did report your post because it broke TOA to the forums rules.

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No, this is because you make attacks against my personal character

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I think the bear can defend himself ;)

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the maturity level you bring to the forums

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PG16 ;)

Oh BTW 1998 called they want there hacker CD back

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The|Specialist, you are always so rude in ever post I meet you in. I do not understand why, but I know it is not nice to others nor does it further the conversations any. That being said, please stop so that help can be given. If you choose insults then you are only degrading the forums, and that means we lose a lot of newbies because they feel offended

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Just noticed :p. That is the internet where every one has a right to free speech. You just need to learn to deal with it another post from someone telling |The|Specialist not to be rude is a waste of bandwith IMO because as i said its the internet everyone has a right to say what they want


To the guy that has been ranting about email:

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(A.)Can you tell that you are being hacked when you open your e-mails. Are there any signs?

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Yes there is little pigmies dancing with spears and there is much rejoicing between them j/k

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(B.) Is there any return path trail back to the hacker?

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What kind of mail client they using like outlook express or a web browser built in mail client ? . Or is it free web based email like Yahoo or hotmail or other ?

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(C.) What are legal ramifications of someone hacking into another persons e-mails?

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Invasion of privacy Unautorized Access to a system which they dont own no pun intended

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And , does this still apply if they are married at the time of the invasion?

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Couldnt tell you have you tried getting in touch with a lawyer to see what laws there are against this ?

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(D.) And, can this be done remotely without getting to the actual computer. I believe it can from what I've read, and I fear that my own e-mails my be hacked since I am trying to help this person.

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Yes.

Mr email man:

What Operating System they using ?

What security measure's have been put in to place ?

Is he using a common password like date of birth last name soon to be ex's name kittens anme ( etc ) ? if so change the password infact change the password anyway

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How is that rude esspecially when I answered it almost the same way you did... only I did it at a much faster rate of speed. I also pointed out that while I forgive him for thread hijacking there is no need to spam with double posts about the same old stuff. I have seen it already so I wouldn't mind seeing it back into the thread it started in. I also gave a URL to sort of ummm help him express and word things a bit better.

But once agian I guess im just a evil and angry person for doing this.

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I actually agree with him here there is allready 2 threads he has started and now he is highjacking some one elses who has looked for help here but im guessing the original thread starter never came back if he can highjack a thread in here he can do in any ones what would happen if some one just got rooted and they had cc stolen and were in need of dire help or there companys going to go balls up and he higjacked that thread dont you think that is more important than him email issue ?
see thats why we shouldnt incorage highjacking others threads its just plain ignorant IMO too

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I am very dissapointed to see so many of our good members here say this. We preach legality and doing things the correct way, but when something else illegal happens in our benifit we rejoice? Two fires make a larger flame, and one illegal act does not make another one legal. We preach that here, and many of you taught me that. Why back down now, when an illegal act of fraud is being commited, and then support it just because it fit's your current situation? This isn't an insult to anyone, honestly.. just me being a bit surprised.

We either condone illegal acts or we accept them. There is no line inbetween. At least, not what the higher ups here have taught me.

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Ok i aggree the site should be took down it is coning people out of money but on the other hand they are selling out-dated 'tool's' to people who are looking for information to break in to a system so if they are dumb enough to pay for it IMO that is there fault not our's and the owner of the site probably laughed and got drunk from the $80 that iddiot sent so he could be a 3r33+ h4x0r what was he going to do with the 'tools' hack some poor old home user who doesnt know if they need a **** or a haircut BAH a waist of time

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Actually, if there is a fire coming your way, starting another fire will put it out. If you'v

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made sence, blame that.

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What ? more thread highjacking tut tut Gore

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The point wasn't that people were flaming. The point was that people were agreeing and cheering on illegal activity.

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The cheering was from the pigmies :D

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Oh yes... text on a screen can take "tone". And all of my posts have hidden messages in them that reach out to peaple and say ("go **** yourself and die"). Yeah right. Its funny how you were the one who accused me of being rude and then you were the first to jump up and get angry and agressive all of a sudden.

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Text can have a tone DICK HEAD! you see ?

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After accuseing me of being rude with peaple... and after all the stuff you've done just because I said that my posts aren't really rude... after being accussed of hideing things... after all that it is only natural that I find alot of humor in the quote above.

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|The|Specialist has chilled out in the last few months look at his past posts if you want to see him being nasty

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Once again, the point is you are cheering on illegal activity. That is quite clear to I'm sure everyone here, and something I've noticed in AO is never looked highly upon. Is it really illegal? Yes, it's fraud, thus illegal. This isn't an argument, just a notice I took when the same people who told me to choose a legal hacking career rather than a greyhat one, are hollering and thanking the criminal who commits fraud. That's a bit two faced, and wrong to anyone here who reads it. In short, saying : "Its WRONG to commit illegal things! Unless it is funny. Or they deserved it. Or.. or.. oorrr."

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Advisories and proof of concept code or link too is posted here al the time that can be used for illegal as well as legal things so whats the diffrence ? a guy is making a couple of bucks from the ass hats of the world yes its wrong but why does that affect you so much ? its not coming out of you're pocket just chill and go with the flow and laugh at the stupid after all what else are they good for ?

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|The|Specialist, like to complain about your neg's all the time? I never once fanned the flame. I disagreed with your post and recognize the "OMFG I can't believe this kid" attitude. Please don't bicker and argue over negs, as it makes little difference and I would rather handle the situation of the person who knew nothing in a much more polite manner, lest you scare them off.

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I would rather handle it in a polite manner too i aggree with you here but what would you class as rude ? IMO i dont think |The|Specialist was that rude i think you have made a big deal over nothing at all can you say drama queen ?

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So, on a greater scale, you feel murdering someone may also have it's "okay" sides? You would murder? And if you would not, then why take the same side and say that you would not scam other people, but approve of it.

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Hypothetical situation you're walking down an alley way you see a woman being raped you intervine to 'save' the women the rapist pulls out a knife you have a gun because you were at your local shooting range and you pull it out and shoot him is it murder ? do you approve of that ? the woman is safe and so are you but you just took some ones life

[quote]This current group of AO posters disgusts me, on a personal level. Where is your morality? Where is your stance on topics other than hopping between two? Is there no one else out there that agrees with me, or am I the only one that will choose one side, and then stick to it? Of course you have your own opinions, but you also have your own actions to explain if/when that situations calls for it. The moment you murder someone, and are taken to court, I dare you to use the excuse "well he deserved it". Don't tell me the entirity of AO is like this, choosing no middle ground so that they may defy a system that should instead be decided upon?[quote]

I aggree with some of you're points but i also disaggree with some too

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Thanks gore. You have put it all into perspective for me. I'm leaving this forum because it certainly isn't what I thought it was, when I first came. People were kind, understanding, and knew the difference between illegalities and legalities. I'm sorry you can't see that, but that same kind of immatutiry, direct insults, and a "pfft to authority" is why I've left so many other forums.

A pity to see a forum with potiential be infested with those who want nothing to do with it's greatness except through insults and arguing.

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Why leave you come accross as a fairly intelligent person why leave its only a disscussion on the intraweb tommorow you will wake up and go about your daily routine and forget about this there is no point on letting it get to you disscussions here can get really heated but as i said just sit back and laugh the internet gives people a voice and people choose to use it if you dont aggree with some people dont run away because every where you go there will always be a person with diffrent views from you're own

Friends.... I am very sorry to be interrutping the flow here..

But I thought I could just share this true stroy that I read somewhere on the Web.... Always Remember Forgiveness is always a bigger asset than being forgiven....

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This is a true story which happened in the States.

A man came out of his home to admire his new truck.

To his puzzlement, his three-year-old son was happily hammering dents into the shiny paint of the truck.

The man ran to his son, knocked him away, hammered the little boy's hands into pulp as punishment.

When the father calmed down, he rushed his son to the hospital. Although the doctor tried desperately to save the crushed bones, he finally had to amputate the fingers from both the boy's hands.

When the boy woke up from the surgery & saw his bandaged stubs, he innocently said, " Daddy, I'm sorry about your truck." Then he asked, "but when are my fingers going to grow back?"

The father went home & committed suicide.



Think about this story the next time someone steps on your feet or u wish to take revenge. Think first before u lose your patience with someone u love. Trucks can be repaired. Broken bones & hurt feelings often can't.

Too often we fail to recognise the difference between the person and the performance. We forget that forgiveness is greater than revenge.

People make mistakes. We are allowed to make mistakes. But the actions we take while in a rage will haunt us forever.

Pause and ponder. Think before you act. Be patient. Forgive & forget. Love one and all.

Lets forget all....... We are like one community diffrences and bound to happen but you dont have to take everything so close 2 ur hearts........

Seriously guys there are other things in this world to worry about. Oh well some guy got ripped off and well it's his fault. He should have known better. But you figure that some people would use there common sense. Especially in this day an age when it's so easy to be conned.

Example:
Just like people should know that it's very stupid to keep private information on the computer that you use for the internet.Keep that kind of info on another computer completely isolated from the net.

But I just hope that he learned something from this experience.

Note I dont condone that type of stuff even though I have done some stuff that would be considered illegal. Just think about it pooh I bet you have [ Not to this extent but lying, stealing etc etc ]. Just like everyone else has.

Advice: If you dont like what someone has posted just read it and leave it at that. If not trust me on this: Dont try to play the AO Guardian. Why not? Well cause your just asking to be flamed. Not just here but any board that you decide to join.

That's all the ramble that I have to say ......

anjali: Take you're chain letter spam some where else ass hat ! gawd its bad enough friends sending me that **** but now i got to read it ****ing here too

Every time you pass those along to other people it makes jesus cry !

Prodikal...... I am so sorry if that has bothered u so much.... I just wanted the things to calm down... nothing else.... I did mention that only if it makes diffrence to someone.......

If it is not practice for junior members to try to calm the heat.. I am sorry to have interfered in the affairs of the board......

Dont be sorry about it just dont post stuff like that thats the **** i get that litters my inbox from my idiot IRL friends and i go off twice as bad at them its usually girls that send me that stuff and its not even a true story you post one source to a news artice of that story and i will delete my post a true news source

you can try and calm ppl down, but please don't use that Dr. Phill / TV evangelist crap ever again..

thx.

Don't ever apologize, dear anjali, for attempting to guide something towards a better situation. Regardless of your member title, your alloted posts, the people that do seek happiness and kindness here are what stop's the board turning into continual flames, washed upon the shores like so many other forums....

Dear As I mentioned.. I was just trying to calm the things... I was not into the authenticity of the writeup.....

Maybe it is just b'cos the way we see things.. I would rate this as inspirational... I am not concerned whether it is a true story or not.. But yes it indeed has a good message..... which I can benefit from......

But u have an other point of view where u treat this as junk and the people who send them as ASS HAT , **** HOLES etc, etc ... I respect ur judgement..... Hence offered my apologies not for the post , but for hurting ur beliefs.....

I dont want to prove anything nor do i want u to take of any of ur post.. things are fine the way they are...

It is just that I should be a quite spectator rather than indulging into all this.....

Thread closed. 'nuff said.