How do you gain complete anonymity on mIRC???
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How do you gain complete anonymity on mIRC???
I dont want to say theres never a way to be compleatly anonymous, but its hard. You could try a BNC witch would
make your hostname apear as soemthing like [email protected]3r.3j3337.h4x0r which most of the time wouldnt resolv to anything or it would mask your ip. Proxys/wingates also can mask your whareabouts but if someone needed to badly they could contact that sysadmin and get there logs. So if you just want to hide yourself froum the avrage irc user then those options might work....but if your doing anything that might be frowned apon then you could always... just not do it . The choice is yours. Hope this is helpfull.
I believe that the basic answer is that you don't. You can use proxy servers, and in particular chain them across several countries, but you can still be traced and identified.
The point is that you need an address to make contact with other computers, and that can be traced.
There are ways of remaining personally anonymous , but they are illegal so I will go no further.
Cheers
Nihil, you mean like cracking someone's computer and using them as proxies, then changing log files? If you own a bunch of servers and connect through your own serves then erase your home computers connection from the logs then turn them over...?Quote:
There are ways of remaining personally anonymous , but they are illegal so I will go no further.
-Cheers-
Using your own servers is not very helpful because you still have to connect to the internet through your own account and you are responsible for any traffic coming from that account, they trace it back to your computer and then deleting logs is not nearly enough to destroy the evidence, sticking your hardrive tape through a shredder and sprinkling it in the harbor is more like it.Quote:
Originally posted here by PM8228
Nihil, you mean like cracking someone's computer and using them as proxies, then changing log files? If you own a bunch of servers and connect through your own serves then erase your home computers connection from the logs then turn them over...?
-Cheers-
To be truley anonymous is close to impossible. Even going through proxies won't help that much...because if forced they may turn their logs over to trace you.
What are you doing that you need to be completely anonymous? Sounds shady to me!
So how do you mask the identity of the computer? Using other's computer address??? How do you do that? Do you have to download a software for that? By the way, Is it possible to chat without using any other program except MSDOS? I was just wondering if it is possible.
Basically what it comes down to is that most irc servers don't like people trying to be anonymous on their servers...When you connect to an irc server, it'll say something like, 'checking for wingates'..And then if it finds out that you are coming through a proxy or a wingate, the connection is dropped...My opinion is that if you really really need and want to stay anonymous on irc, the best thing to do is to not connect in the first place...My 2 cents
I'm not doing anything shady Nichole...it's merely to test security...i'm trying to figure out how all these people mask ip's etc when i hear of people doing so time after time and no explanation on how they do it...there's all this talk about proxies blah blah blah no simple explanation no simple "this is how you do it" it's inter-twined with technical computer jargon that i don't understand....just coz i want to know doesn't mean i'm gonna become a mIRC menace or anything to do with that...i'm interested in computer security and am trying to get my head around proxies coz i've tried a few programs that link your comp through proxies but they're all full of crap
also i've seen constant flooders on mIRC who hide there subnet mask somehow????
PM8228, I think he might be talking about that nasty thing called "identity theft" i've been to a few isp's and they've asked for stuff all i.d. and unless they trace it through your phoneline which would take forever if you were dialing through several carriers and only had short logins i'm not too sure how traceable it would be...
aaronpsychosis
You are pretty close, there is an identity, but it is not yours :) it would check out as well. All very illegal, so I do not want to go into details but it can be done with varying degrees of complexity.
Cheers
unless they started video recording people walking into isp shops or outlawing prepaid internet they're gonna continue to have a problem
hmm what would be more anonymous in terms of services e.g. dialup vs. adsl/cable.....i'm starting to think dialup due to the fact you don't have one set ip address and you can use prepaid.....
But the ISP still knows what phone niumber you're dialling from.
Cheers,
cgkanchi
Well,
My ADSL ISP gives me a new IP subnet addy each time I log on, but it is tied to my telephone line. My account cannot be used from a different telephone.
Cable is a different issue, as the address tends to be static. I really have no idea how satellite works? presumably on your account number or something.
With my dial-up ISP I can use any telephone so it would be possible for someone to steal my identity if they had the right information.
I have thought about the way spammers find a server that allows SMTP relays............If I can get into a commercial building and find an unused office or remote telephone, all I would do is divert the calls to an ISP and turn the ringer off :eek: I would still get caught if I was stupid, just like in the cops & robbers films :D The ISP would trace back to the diverted phone and that would have a call trace put on it. Given the duration of a useful net session it would not be long before I got a knock on my door?
A guy in this country recently got off a hacking rap because he claimed that a trojan had been planted on his machine and his identity stolen :rolleyes:
I would guess that for short term usage a cybercafe would be fairly anonymous in a large city?
I still believe that it is almost impossible to remain anonymous if "they" really want to get you.
Cheers
A good script might help, like the watered down version of looksharpe? In essence, what you need to understand is that the user that does the flooding, may be spoofing their IP to begin with, hence
for now, extremely difficult to trace. The flooding you speak of, could be accomplished through the use of sub-seven trojan or other trojan viri to turn computers into what is called "Zombie" computers. These machines, or indeed, with War Scripts, make use of Socket connections to irc these then flood channels with line upon line of gunk. Causing some to lag, others to disconnect etc etc, if load is big enough, even cause an irc "split" if irc servers are clustered and cannot handle the bandwidth or resource demands, old irc.msn.com comes to mind here.......
To let you know though..... RFC 2267 and RFC 2827 are 2 important ISP standards, in my opinion, that need to be enforced more stringently. These 2 RFC's make provision for the non-egress of non-isp sourced IPs. That means that if User dials up, uses DSL or Cable and is supposed to have IP 192.10.184.3, yet displays IP 196.10.11.8. The ISP should stop all connectivity from that computer as it could be Spoofing an IP for intent to use maliciously. So sometime soon, with the enforcement of these RFCs. A new kind of work-around will surely abound.
RFC 2267 <---- RFC link
RFC 2287 <---- RFC Link
(please could someone do me a favour, if possible. If anyone has read any of my other posts, please let me know if my use of English is improving. I am working hard on it to become more articulate and fluent. Thanks a million).
If I may be so bold. there are ways to stop a telephone number from being registered on an ISP machine. I know that for a fact, a certain 2 character and 3 digit combonation stops the number from being sent as part of carrier signal in my country. Since our telephone company, (we only have one here) uses American (the best), AT&T equipment and SUN boxes, would it not be logical that this may happen also elsewhere in the world?! It would therefor make it difficult from even an isp point of view to give logs in that instance.......Quote:
The ISP would trace back to the diverted phone and that would have a call trace put on it. Given the duration of a useful net session it would not be long before I got a knock on my door?
Work-arounds do exist, but as stated in the previous post by Nihil, If they out to get you, they will eventually catch you......