Maybe it's just me but...

I just saw this in tor.jobs newsgroup today (bold added by me):

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Title: Doctor of medicine (md) (DON'T NEED CANADIAN EXP) (NOC: 3112)
Terms of Employment: Permanent, Full Time
Salary: $14.00 Hourly for 40 hours per week
Anticipated Start Date: 2004/02/01
Location: Toronto Centre, Ontario (1 vacancy)
Skill Requirements:

Education: Not applicable
Credentials (certificates, licences, memberships, courses, etc.):
College of Family Physicians Certification in Emergency Medicine - CCFP(EM)
Experience: 3 - 5 years
Languages: Speak English, Read English, Write English
Work Setting: Private practice
Other Information: MUST HAVE AN OUTGOING AND BUBBLY
PERSONALITY.ASSISTING THE DOCTORS-MUST HAVE A DEGREE-DOES NOT HAVE TO BE
FROM HERE-NO CANADIAN EXPERIENCE IS REQUIRED-MUST HAVE EXPERIENCE IN
ALTERNATIVE MEDICINES, DIABETICS, HEART PATIENTS, OR THERAPY
Employer: Care 4 you (Placement Agency)

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I sort of have to wonder about this. It might, however, explain the state of Canadian medicine (very quickly going downhill).

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Originally posted here by MsMittens
I sort of have to wonder about this. It might, however, explain the state of Canadian medicine (very quickly going downhill).

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Did you mean the cost of medicine itself MsMittens or the state of the Medical profession up there?

I know that many elderly people here count on the cheaper price of Canadian medicine. Which is sad too, because we are forced to pay these over-hiked prices down here when we really shouldn't. That's why I'm for buying Canadian medicine, not only does it benefit those who are short on money, but it also (should) motivate the medicine companies here to lower their prices to be more competitive with their Canadian counterparts.

.dublix

$14 an hour Canadian ?? I wouldn't work for that as a day laborer, much less as a degreed MD.

Ahhhh... I see, ooopps. :p

Do you think it was a joke post?

Errr.. no. I removed the address/email/fax to reply to. I've heard of the company. It's just kinda shocking and demoralizing. The health care system is in dire straights up here. Heck, I was watching a CBC report last night that talked about hospitals putting bar codes on "scrubs" because the theft of them was so high. One hospital lost $250,000 worth in one year.

It's stuff like this that makes me really afraid of getting sick.

I was wondering because you realize someone can work at McDonalds for the same money. Where is the incentive to spend 10 years in medical school? Is this a result of socialized health care? That is a real question, I am curious because a system that pays Doctors the same as a burger flipper is going to fail in my opinion as an outsider.

I think they are trying to appeal to the many doctors and other PhD holders that come to Canada and can't get jobs in their field because of the requirements of the industry here. Basically, the industry pretty much requires residency to be redone as well as degree (IIRC). There are many engineers, doctors, etc. that drive cabs in Toronto.

So the are exploiting the law for residency?

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..exploiting the law for residency?

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Law? What law? There is no law. It's a requirement by the Canadian Physicians Association as well as Engineering organizations, etc. Basically, it's a protectionist stand by them. I can understand some of it but why not have compentency tests or exams rather than require a re-do of the entire degree?

Sorry I assumed it was a law since it appears they cannot practice medicine without meeting the requirment. It's like here, you must have a license to practice, and with that license comes certain minimal requirements that must be met. To practice without approval here is illegal.

Oh. I see what you mean. Yes, they have to have a license but that license is approved by the gov't. And the requirements usually, AFAIK, involve a certain period of residency and having appropriate degrees. Now if they have these they still do not get to practise. What the gov't says is that the degree(s) from other countries isn't valid nor is the years of practise/residency or the fact that you've done this elsewhere.

Speaking from an American perspective. That says to me your system does not want medical nor engineering professionals from outside Canada. The actions are prohibitive. Is that racially motivated? And does that apply everywhere or just in Toronto? Do provinces have say in the requirement or is it national? I am just curious as always about Canada.

AFAIK, this is practised across Canada. In fact, I'm facing an interesting problem. I'm looking at getting a Master's degree online. The only way the college will recognize it is if it's done by an "Accredited" university. So that means heavy research into what the "system" considers accredited. When it comes to medical professionals, I think this is where the "prohibition" comes from. This is largely because they cannot guarantee that someone that received a degree say from Serbia is on the same level as someone who went to U of T or Harvard. Race doesn't have anything to do with it. Setting standards does.

I can understand some of it. But I think they are hindering themselves hugely because they've lost a lot of doctors and nurses to the US and haven't done anything to prevent the "brain drain" from happening (low salaries is one issue I believe).

I see, thanks for the info :) When I said race I meant directed from a particular country, like you mentioned Serbia. Not nessessarily particular racial groups. For instance, perhaps in the past there have been problems with people coming from, as a random example, India; who do not meet requirements. I still don't see how a good board inquiry couldn't determine basic qualifications. There are medical schools in South America that are a joke, for instance and you wouldn't want to enter them into a contract to practice. Perhaps this is an example of a good decision meant to protect the system could actually harm it in a longevity sense?

And I thought I was being shafted only making 60k a year to fix cars.

Years ago, while in Canada, I came across many from the engineering field and they told the same story, namely, the various societies running the recognition of their respective charter would accept their foreign credentials. MSmittens is right it is not a racial thing.