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I was just wondering why is windows 98 not able to support the NTFS file system ? Is there anything close to it which could be used for windows 98 ? Ex. a program which might allow you to emalute the NTFS file system [ data access control , ownership privileges, encryption etc ] ??
I know it might seem like a dumb question but this just hit my mind at the present moment.
Hope this answers your question
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...ilesystems.asp
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/cook/Cluster.htm
http://swexpert.com/C5/SE.C5.MAR.98.pdf
Closest thing I can help with is NTFS-DOS... that allows you to "mount" and access a NTFSdrive... but you cant have the benifits of NTFS in a non-NT based os...
Unfortunately the answer is "no" :(
Win9x/ME are Microsoft domestic OSes and are designed for stand alone systems. NTFS belongs to the "commercial" OSes.
The closest you can get is third party software to address the various issues. I think you would need some very compelling reasons to go along that route, rather than change your OS?
Just my thoughts
Cheers
Yep like said above, third party software able to read from NTFS partitions is available, but changing to a 'new technology' based OS wouldn't be a bad idea ;)
I switched my XP machine to NTFS from FAT32 and promptly lost my floppy disc capability, so keep that in mind. I removed the driver and reloaded it several times and still no effect. All I get is a box saying the floppy disc is not formatted and do I want to format. If I put in an empty disc and click yes, it tells me it can't format.
Why do I still use a floppy? Most of the places I deal with want the work on floppy disc. Fortunately it's also saved to CD. Just something to consider before switching from FAT to NTFS. I gather from checking various Windows forums that I'm not the only one this has happened to.
Actually I was just really curious to know, but I guess that I was asking for too much.
But thanks for the great info.
NTFS works with Windows 2000 and above but windows 98 only sees FAT32 and below. FAT32 cannot read NTFS but NTFS can read FAT32. There may be some 3rd party tools out there that can read it but I dont know of them right now.
FAT32 works of the technology of tracks and sectors, but when NTFS came about it did away with even understanding tracks and sectors, thus making it more fault tolerant.
The best way to get your system to run both, partition the drive to give space for a new OS and drop Windows 2000 CD in and format that new partition NTFS and install 2000 now you are set for both FAT and NTFS.
I'm not entirely sure this makes sense as the floppy disc file system does not, and will never use NTFS.Quote:
Originally posted here by Chuck56
I switched my XP machine to NTFS from FAT32 and promptly lost my floppy disc capability, so keep that in mind. I removed the driver and reloaded it several times and still no effect. All I get is a box saying the floppy disc is not formatted and do I want to format. If I put in an empty disc and click yes, it tells me it can't format.
Why do I still use a floppy? Most of the places I deal with want the work on floppy disc. Fortunately it's also saved to CD. Just something to consider before switching from FAT to NTFS. I gather from checking various Windows forums that I'm not the only one this has happened to.
I have a seven year old floppy disk (created with MS/DOS - no type of Windows whatsover!), which can still be read by my WinXP system which is using NTFS for its hard drives.
Perhaps your floppy is getting rather old - like any magnetic media, as the information stored on it can get corrupted with time.
I'm sure this isn't a driver problem as almost everything uses the default MS driver.
Actually it is most likely:Quote:
I'm sure this isn't a driver problem as almost everything uses the default MS driver.
1. Drive needs cleaning
2. Driver problem
This is not an NTFS issue, it is an XP issue, and some older devices just don't work for some reason? I would try a new drive.......they are not expensive :)
Don't floppies use something like FAT12?..........somewhere I have the software to create an NTFS floppy..........problem is it uses about 700k in the format :D
Cheers
Thanks nihil and darkes. I'm at a loss then concerning my problem. This computer is less than a year old and the floppy drive worked perfectly up to the moment I changed from FAT32 to NTFS. I went to several Windows sites and basically they all said that the floppy drive was faulty. Then, I stumbled on several sites where people were complaining that their floppy disc drive stopped reading when they switched to XP. Well, I had XP running in FAT32 and all was okay. I should have left it running under FAT. It is apparently an XP issue that M$ won't correct because Bill doesn't think floppy discs are needed any more.
This machine runs XP pro and the floppy is OK...........only a standard generic device?
Try uninstalling then reinstalling? Let Windows find the device.
You might also make sure that you are fully up to date with windows?
If this fails, I would try a PHYSICAL uninstallation and reinstallation.
Does the BIOS "see" the drive?
Cheers
Yes, BIOS reads the drive and XP apparently sees it during startup. At least the drive light comes on. It knows the drive is there, it just won't read the discs. It's been taken out and replaced. We removed it to try the drive in a friend's machine. Worked perfectly. Replaced it, making sure everything was well connected, wouldn't work. It wouldn't be an issue I'd even bother with if the folks I deal with would realize that CD's are just as effective.
File System and Floppy Disk StructuresQuote:
Don't floppies use something like FAT12?..........
Humm that question never crossed my mind until you brought it up.
I'm rather baffled by this, as, despite what you might of read WinXP does still support floppies, regardless of whether you are running FAT32 or NTFS.Quote:
Originally posted here by Chuck56
Yes, BIOS reads the drive and XP apparently sees it during startup. At least the drive light comes on. It knows the drive is there, it just won't read the discs. It's been taken out and replaced. We removed it to try the drive in a friend's machine. Worked perfectly. Replaced it, making sure everything was well connected, wouldn't work. It wouldn't be an issue I'd even bother with if the folks I deal with would realize that CD's are just as effective.
The drive light coming on does not mean it has been recognised by WinXP - this is just your BIOS/power connector recognising that it does have a floppy.
I'd try nihils suggestion - i.e. completely remove the device using device manager, and reboot.
What do you see in device driver details for your floppy?
I’m with nihil and darkes on this one.
This machine is running XP pro with NTFS, no problems with floppy ( though I did an initial install to NTFS )
You said it worked in another computer, and you replaced it with another drive which also did not work in the XP machine?
I would check the cable ... floppy cables are picky and can easily be installed incorrectly or be jarred loose, or get pinched somewhere.
I would try removing any reference in the device manager completely, disconnecting it, restarting with it disconnected checking to see it is removed in the bios as well as XP, then shut down and reconnect it again with a new cable ensuring is connected properly.
As for the CD reference, I once got negged here for saying “ floppies are as obsolete as bicycles” Guess that person never heard of sarcasm.
Converting from FAT to NTFS has absolutely nothing to do with your floppydrive not working.
I see you've tried the floppydrive in a different machine and it worked there.
So maybe your cable and/or your floppy controller are faulty.
9 times out of 10 its a hardware issue but that doesnt seem to be the problem now. go into your Device Manager and look the floppy controller there if it say this device is working ok then its a lier so try updating the driver. If this doesnt work go to the floppy drive manufaturer and see if there is a patch. Finally there could be and IRQ conflict or a problem with a legacy device.
Does your computers POST see the floppy?
Well, I can see I have my work cut out for me today. Thanks everybody for your suggestions and thanks for allowing me to sort of hijack this thread, although it wasn't my intention.
BTW, ghost 25Inf, are you or were you in the 25th Div. I was 27th Inf, 25th Div in Vietnam '67-'68.
One thing I forgot..................if the drive light doesn't go out, the cable is connected wrong way round. You have a light so the Post Cycle is seeing the device OK.............i guess that we go with what we have so far and see what happens :)
Good luck