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Microsoft Corp. is working on security technologies for the upcoming Longhorn release of Windows that will protect users against security threats by monitoring system and network behavior as well as the security patches that Microsoft has issued.
http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/...rnaware_1.html
Hmmm. I am skeptical of how well that will work. How much extra overhead will that require for an OS to be functioning as not only the OS, but an IDS, and a Software Validation System all the time?
-looks at his system resources-
My Windows machine: Snort, firewall, antivirus. Running at 10%. So it would be 10%
My Fedora machine: snort, tripwire, firewall, antivirus. Running at 8%. So it would be 8%
There you have it. Also, do not forget Longhorn is requiring a minimum or 512MB of RAM, which I thankfully see going up to 600+ minimum required. It's about time we had an OS that took advantage of newer computer systems.
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Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
-looks at his system resources-
My Windows machine: Snort, firewall, antivirus. Running at 10%. So it would be 10%
My Fedora machine: snort, tripwire, firewall, antivirus. Running at 8%. So it would be 8%
There you have it. Also, do not forget Longhorn is requiring a minimum or 512MB of RAM, which I thankfully see going up to 600+ minimum required. It's about time we had an OS that took advantage of newer computer systems.
Good point. But will the integrated apps, work as well as the ones you are using?
Yes, I could almost guarentee it. I beta tested SP2 which has the included Firewall ICF upgrade, and it is so well done and optomized, that I have no need for ZoneAlarm Pro anymore.
I would be willing to bet that the future applications will be just as good as 3rd party capabilities. Why? Because Microsoft is good at inventing yes, but even better at seeing the ideas other people use and improving drastically upon them.
I look foward to the compartmenalization coming soon.
If by "take advantage" you mean "pull a fast one" OK otherwise I take the view that I put a Gig of RAM in my boxes to run my applications, NOT Microsoft bloatware.Quote:
Also, do not forget Longhorn is requiring a minimum or 512MB of RAM, which I thankfully see going up to 600+ minimum required. It's about time we had an OS that took advantage of newer computer systems
Potts007
I think that the Software Validation is no more than a glorified check for updates? like it will run once per session, rather than be a constant overhead (unless you have a memory leak?).
I am surprised about the memory requirement though...........I guess that longhorn (fata$$) will not be upon us for some time, as it will have to wait for the millions of lower spec machines to flush through the system...........hey, I know local government outfits that are still running Win95 and Win98 :D they can't even get to XP, and they are funded by local taxation, which involves local politicians...............
Is Bill Gates the new King Canute?
Just a few thoughts :)
If you use 1 Gig, that's horrible. XP in itself uses approx 120 Megs of RAM. I wouldn't mind if an OS used 500 megs of RAM, because that's 500 megs of RAM for all my other applications.
In that 500 megs, I can run adobe, Morrowind, Mozilla Firebird, Foobar2000, Apache, PGP, and have a Virus scan going without any slowdown.
Newer PC's can handle it, people just refuse to fill up the RAM.
Yes, they do...............welcome to reality old chap :)Quote:
Newer PC's can handle it, people just refuse to fill up the RAM.
"People" is generally the Finance Director (EVP Finance) or some such "bean counter"
I have fought this battle for many years and seldom won :( I personally equip a machine with adequate resources, Corporations look at the bottom line.......THEIR'S, not Microsoft's :D
Remember, what is £65 ($110) to me is £650,000 to them..............their nice fat cat bonuses depend on the bottom line..............they look after themselves...........or they obey political masters?
I am not saying that you are wrong (other than my XP uses about 256Mb with firewall, AV etc), only that you are unrealistic.................yes I am cynical, but it is a cynicism bred of many years experience.
Technically, I see the 512Mb as a problem, as a lot of the most recent boards will only support that amount of the fastest memory, even though they will support 3Gb of slower stuff?
Cheers
Longhorn isn't a corp or server release, it is a desktop OS. I could care less about how corps feel :) There is a completely different OS for servers, called Windows 2003. And if you want to take down that 256 megs from XP, let me know :)
Hi Pooh,
I will take you up on advice re the XP box tuning.....thanks :D
My cynicism is not so much about servers as about desktops......I can get the money for servers........problem with desktops is that the CEO's kids have one............got this "deal" didn't he?..........all that bundled junk software........but only 256Mb of RAM.
The problem is that senior executives have bought off the shelf deals, and could not admit that they got it wrong?..........would you buy one of those store deals? :D
Unfortunately, they take that "experience" into the office?
This is purely United Kingdom experience, by the way.
Cheers
I agree with you, but let's think 2006 (Longhorn release date). 256 RAM will be a think of the past and I would almost bet 512 will be the norm. Of course, just assumptions, but according to the progression so far (and looking at the events when XP was released) things tend to go hand in hand and meet each other. Whether that is MS influene or not, who knows :)
www.blackviper.com
EDIT: scratch that, for some unknown reason his site is down... for the first time in years. I'll see if I can find a google cache.
EDIT: found the important google cache paged from his site:
Quick Read - Service List:
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Long Read - Service List, Explaination, and Results:
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Various other tweaks:
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Head there first and follow their XP service configuration tutorial to start you out. It will run you through an entire list of what each XP service does, what it depends on, how much RAM it eats up, and if it is safe to disable or not.
Thanks pooh,
Please do not get me wrong, I am not anti-Microsoft...............I guess I have just about all of their operating systems since DOS 3.0 .............possibly earlier.................I even have Word 1.0 for DOS :D
My problem is with "those who hold the purse strings".........2006 is only two years away, and MS have extended support of 9x to 2007................what kind of message is that?
XP is quite rare in a commercial environment in the UK, even now...................and it is an infrastructure problem IMHO..........
I have experienced a senior executive suspend a major project in mid flight so he got his annual bonus and promotion..................cost the company at least $900,000 but he got away with it. It's all bottom line driven :(
I do not see all that sub-512Mb hardware flushing through in the next two years :(
That is the problem as I see it
Cheers
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Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
Longhorn isn't a corp or server release, it is a desktop OS. I could care less about how corps feel :) There is a completely different OS for servers, called Windows 2003. And if you want to take down that 256 megs from XP, let me know :)
This is not true at all.. Longhorn is both a server and workstation OS. Winxp is the current workstation OS, with Win2k3 being the server OS. Longhorn server will replace Win2k3. Bill Gates just said last week that the desktop OS will ship before the server OS.
Also, I don't see these new "features" being major drains on the system. There is already DLL caching and monitoring taking place on the OS since Win2k. Monitoring that important OS files are not changed is not a huge resource drain.
mohaughn,
I have to say this, but you may be mistaken :) I've hand tested all releases of Longhorn and no server features are being included nor discussed in their whitepapers. There is a completely seperate OS codenamed: BlackComb, which will be released as their newest Server Edition. While it includes many of the enhacements of Longhorn, it still is it's own completely seperate distro. This will be as I said, completely seperate and released seperately to the public.. (sources: Winbeta.net microbeta.net) Agreed on the resource configurations. I think they will be just fine on memory usage.
Blackcomb server sources:
http://www.zolknetwork.com/windows_blackcomb.php
http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/longhorn.asp
Note that during the conference they also made it clear that Longhorn will come out in multiple versions (ie. home, proffessional, etc) but not server. For now, Blackbomb is better known as "Longhorn Server" even though it is not, because no one can confirm the codename to truthfully be Blackcomb. They can confirm it's release two years after Longhorn hits the market, so to make things easier they call it "Longhorn Server". Still two completely seperate products though :)Quote:
At the May 2003 WinHEC 2003 trade show, Microsoft executive David Thompson said that Blackcomb would ship about 2-3 years after Longhorn and would feature new versions of the so-called out-of-band technologies the company is shipping throughout 2003 for Windows Server 2003. These technologies include, among others, the iSCSI initiator in June, NAS 3.0 in Q2 2003, Automated Deployment Services (ADS) in Q3 2003, Small Business Server 2003 in Q3 2003, Virtual Server in Q4 2003, and the AMD/64-bit version of Windows Server 2003, while will be delivered "in Service Pack 1 for Windows Server 2003 by the end of 2003," Thompson said. Whether this information has changed is open to debate: Perhaps Longhorn Server will include some of this technology, given the ever-changing schedule.