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Hello,
According to the irannain news agency, the us have captured ben ladin (http://www.nyu.edu/globalbeat/irna.html). This news while offically denied by a us press release, prompt an other question:
When will it happen and what political fall out would bush gain from it ? could it be his ace for teh coming elections ? Could it be likely that such a trick be used with regard to his dad's manipulations of the irangate ... ?
what do you think ?
This may be one of those times to say "consider the source". The Arab world really seems to get their jollies off on conspiracy theories.
If Bush (our Military, whomever) gets bin laden, there would most certainly be a spike in his approval ratings and perhaps some momentum for the upcoming elections. I wouldn't bet the farm on that completely though (for it to last), because the American people can be quite forgetful if you know what I mean. We seem to be on to one thing for the moment and on to the next in the blink of an eye. Sad, especially when it concerns important matters, but it's true.
IMO they saw what a stir that reporter (forgot her name) made by saying it jokingly and decided to go for it. its a testimony for bush. if they dont want him that bad that they'll make **** up, hes doing something right.
i will be mildly surprised if OBL is caught but DAMME that would be one hell of a day!
I have a feeling he'll just die quietly in a cave somewhere. No big execution. Besides, the trial would take forever. Also, about executions. Now they are really expensive because of lethal injection. What happened to the get on your knees, one shot to the back of the head.. Cheap and effective.
-Cheers-
that's Taliban style of Justice we are not Taliban. No matter who he is Law Should decide the punishment no matter how much time or money it takes.Quote:
happened to the get on your knees, one shot to the back of the head..
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otherwise whats the difference between us and them. :rolleyes:
Actually, it's chinese style, plus you send the bill of the bullet to the executed's family... in ladin cases it wouldn't be a problem ...they are so full of it .
But more seriously, if a democracy choose to apply diferent standards to selected individual and make whiule making it publically known, it betray the basic foundations of a democracy no?
You seem to have misused a word nabylbt, it is "democracy".
There aint no such thing as a democracy.
I've heard rumours that the CIA is infact controlled by the KGB... whether or not that is true, the CIA are the murderers.
Bin Laden will prevail Mr.Bush.
It is said that Bin Laden and Bush are "on the same team".....
And who would be Miss/Mister World No.1 Terrorist if Bin Laden is gone(and Bush for that matter).
I stopped believing in a "democracy" a long time ago...and so should you.
In theory a "democracy" is supurb, but someone with free will and movement will be as greedy as possible...
Can you provide any sites, facts, anything, to back your claims, or are they hearsay from the paranoid crackheads and junkies or truckdrivers on HAM radio ;) Man I bet your one of those people who burried old schoolbuses, and gathered corn and water supplies right before Y2k. Am I right? You need to chill out with all that, "henny penny the sky is falling " . And the KGB, the only thing those poor bastards are worried about is,catching people smuggling fish eggs, and who they are going to sell spent uranium to!Quote:
Originally posted here by HANDzCLEANx
You seem to have misused a word nabylbt, it is "democracy".
There aint no such thing as a democracy.
I've heard rumours that the CIA is infact controlled by the KGB... whether or not that is true, the CIA are the murderers.
Bin Laden will prevail Mr.Bush.
It is said that Bin Laden and Bush are "on the same team".....
And who would be Miss/Mister World No.1 Terrorist if Bin Laden is gone(and Bush for that matter).
I stopped believing in a "democracy" a long time ago...and so should you.
In theory a "democracy" is supurb, but someone with free will and movement will be as greedy as possible...
Bin Laden has probably already been executed. If you went public with his death, he would be a martyr. If you captured him and imprisoned him, terrorists would be trying to hostage swap always upping the ante. If you quietly kill him and stash the body then let the world think he's alive then you can:
Commit troops to the "war on terrorism"
Build Dick Cheney's stock portfolio
Occasionaly release misinformation into his network making it look like him
the possibilities are endless
Regime change.... It begins at home!
I support democracy but i hate bureaucracy :)Quote:
I stopped believing in a "democracy" a long time ago...and so should you.
This is very interesting. Now I may be old fashion, but I want to see this ****er burn. All politics aside. I'm talking revenge. This guy needs to get his. And I believe he will. I think if he was captured, it would be wise for GW to hold the announcment till october.. but thats politics. I have a policy, that many might not agree with, but i will share it.
When the planes hit the buildings, the bombs hit the sand.
Its not politics, its simple revenge. We should be entitled to that. Who says we have to be perfect, who says we have to be so "holy"? You mess with a sleeping dragon, your going to get burned. Thats my 2 cents...
When he is caught, he will not die a silent death. The war needs closure and meaning. His capture and death will be publicized as much or more than Saddam and his sons. That way Osama won't be roomates with 2pac, Elvis, Hitler, and Carmen Sandiego.
Carmen....
That friggin bitch.
Personal take:
Bin Laden is a warrior who has no issue facing his god and the divine place in heaven he has waiting for him. He is a warrior who has never seen the gold palaces and complacent life of his muslim counterparts. Well let me take that back, it was born into an almost royalty like status but has long left that life style to a life of almost constant guerilla warfare. He will not be taken alive unless an intricate plan of deception can be established by counter intelligence on the side of western forces. The likely hood that will happen is slim. Not only is he a warrior but a leader and to ensure his legacy continues he will either die fighting to his last breath or martyr himself in the desire need of the cause. Speculation and opinion only. His opposition will have to be extremely crafty to pull off a capture.
//edit By the way, rumors of his capture have been circulating for a few weeks now, American soldiers were never great at keeping secrets. So if it was pulled off and they did get him, I would use him as a tool to root out other high level positions or locate cells cut off from his command structure. We know it has been severely damaged and when not meeting face to face, it would be easy to act the part and recreate a fake cell. I would not place him on public display.
One bit not mentioned is that bin laden has been nothing but a figure head in alquida for a long time, his top lutenint (hows name slips my mind any help road closed?) has been running day to day for years now. Not announcing his capture dosn't realy acomplishany thing from a stratagy point of view (you could release false orders from him if he was still in charge). Now I have no love for our current administration but i don't underestamate them so much as to think they would try a stunt like this to gain the election, it would be found out and they would be screwed...the american public may be slow but they are not that slow.
Some have been captured. Mullah Omar was his top man in Afgan, perhaps he is still at his side after fleeing Afganistan where he was Ameer-ul-Mumineen of the Taliban Afganistan empire. As to his top aid now? There are a few that keep appearing: Ayman al-Zawahiri seems to be it.
Even though he is a figure head, that still means he represents the cause of Al Q. and like other figure heads, his capture or death will have great impact.
A good or bad effect, remember that killing him mihgt elevate him to the level of martyrdom, and that could make his people fight even harder
(what would the christians think if christ had died of old age)
RoadClosed: we jsut have t obe carfull as to what that result is...IMHO we would be better served by quietly dealing with the true heads of al-quidia then nocking off the figure head for political gain.
Well, in my opinion I don't think they captured him. Because if this were true, all news stations would do some research on this rumor and find out weather it was true or not. And also, just a few days a go I saw on the news that the US bought the satelite that was over Afganistan to be able to use their new remote control aircrafts more efficently. These aircrafts can see 50,000 feet below sea level and is controlled by a remote control. I also heard some might carry missles. Also they are going to put something on the ground allowing the US to detect every person/car that passes by. Bush is going to end up making a bigger debt than his father (Goerge W. Bush Senior) did. Which may I remind you, was the biggest debt in history. I heard that the war in Iraq alone cost him about 25 billion USD. Imagine now with these new aircrafts.
Those aircraft aren't new, in fact they are old but are just now being made widely public and put to use in large scale. Some do carry missiles but those are expensive and their future is limited in my opinion. The coolest one is the Predator, she doesn't carry missiles but will see you hiding in a bush at midnight and paint the way for a ground lanched missile if necessary.
The do infact carry missles, hellfires to be exact...Already used in Yemen...Quote:
Originally posted here by RoadClosed
Those aircraft aren't new, in fact they are old but are just now being made widely public and put to use in large scale. Some do carry missiles but those are expensive and their future is limited in my opinion. The coolest one is the Predator, she doesn't carry missiles but will see you hiding in a bush at midnight and paint the way for a ground lanched missile if necessary.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/predator/
Yeah your right, they were turbo prop UAVs designed for recon. They made some of them a sort of gun based ship. When I metnioned some that do I wasn't considering Predator. Nice site.
I also heard that the U.S. just found out that Afganistan TV has showed Bin Laden walking in Afganistan a few times during the Iraq war. And now that I think about it, while the U.S. was in Iraq I don't think they had left Afganistan, instead I think they left some undercover soilders to attempt to capture Bin Laden by surprise so this rumor could be true.
EDIT: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=4607802 pakistan denys that rumor. EBC News, says this was intended to be a joke ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/3424197.stm ) while here, CNN talks about what I mentioned in my last post: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapc...nladen.search/
Umm the US has left a bunch of noncovert troops in afganistan the whole time...im sure there are undercover operatives also, but we never decreased our presence there...in fact we rather loudly increased it.
and one of my freinds is one of those people in afganistan (actually had another friend that was there but his enlistment was up so they sent him home)
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Bin Laden is a warrior who has no issue facing his god and the divine place in heaven he has waiting for him. He is a warrior who has never seen the gold palaces and complacent life of his muslim counterparts
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yes but hes never shared a cell with buba either. this too shall change! wouldn't it be fitting if he were captured by a female soldier. i have a girl cousin in the army stationed in afganistan...im keeping my fingers crossed. go cuz!
Bin Laden will not share a cell with anyone. He is charasmatic and high value, meaning very dangerous. His fate is in isolation. If given the opportunity he would sway additional followers from within. Assuming he doesn't take a bullet, which he will in my opinion, unless he is tricked or drugged or something.
Our best bet withbinladen is to make him go away quielty, if we jail him there is a good chance that he makes converts inside, anyone want to imagain what would happen if al-queida and the nation of islam ever teamed up? If we execute him loudly and publicly he becomes a myrter....Unfortunitly a quiet disposle dosn't help out the reelection campaing of our current leaders so it wont happen.