7 yrs prison for spamming

http://australianit.news.com.au/arti...nbv%5E,00.html

how annoying is spam..

"A US man who sent 850 million junk emails through accounts he opened with stolen identities has been sentenced to up to seven years in prison.

Internet service provider Earthlink said it hoped the sentence and an earlier $US16.4 million ($22.9 million) civil judgment against Howard Carmack will deter other spammers."

good to see, hopefully it will deter people from doing it ..

7 years could be a bit too hefty tho ... what do you think?

Hell no. I'm sorry but spam is wasting a lot of resources for something that many people don't want, need or asked for. Seven years seems kinda light IMHO.

it wasnt just for spamming either it was for identity theft, forgery and falsifying business records, so apon reading further into it .. 7 years does seem a tad light

Well all i can say is that he'd better be hoping that Bubba don't like spammers..

And 7 years they should of made it more then that, he deserve's to be locked away and the key melted into a ball bearing then shot into outta space.

but then again 1 less spammer in the world i guess..


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Dude, take away his computer or some **** or put him on some "Dade no computer access Zero Cool Hacker's Movie" type ****, but don't give the man 7 YEARS of no freedom for sending **** load's of e-mail's. That's a bit rash, it's not like he robbed anyone or killed anyone. I know people in the paper I've read about in the paper who got less for burglary and robbery and that's DEFINITELY a much more serious offense. Way to much punishment IMO.

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Dude, take away his computer or some **** or put him on some "Dade no computer access Zero Cool Hacker's Movie" type ****, but don't give the man 7 YEARS of no freedom for sending **** load's of e-mail's. That's a bit rash, it's not like he robbed anyone or killed anyone. I know people in the paper I've read about in the paper who got less for burglary and robbery and that's DEFINITELY a much more serious offense. Way to much punishment IMO.

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it wasnt just for spamming either it was for identity theft, forgery and falsifying business records, so apon reading further into it .. 7 years does seem a tad light

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A simple beheading in the local rugby stadium would suffice...
Oh, this is a civilized society...seven years is fine by me.

Okay, maybe identity theft would make the 7 year's right. But definitely not spamming. Forgery/Identity Theft could have earned him 10 year's, but 7 is pretty good.

anyway its a punishment designed to deter people from doing that sort of thing in the future ... .... i know if i was doing it it would scare me :)

Yeah, I doubt after 7 year's of imprisonment he'll do it again. Especially if a certain group of people get to him while he's serving his time if you know what I mean.

Sorry to spoil your fun, he actually got nothing for spamming.......

Identity theft
Fraud
Falsifying Business Records (read tax evasion?)

First offence = 7 years?

I don't think that he would have recieved more than 100 hours community service if spamming was the only thing on the table.

I am unconvinced


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He only has to spend 3 1/2 years getting butt-reamed if he has "good behavior" if i remember correctly from infosyssec.com's website. I think identity theft alone is enough to get him a good 10 years, and i think that all of us who undoubtedly got one of those 825 million emails should get to line up and give him a swift kick.....and broadcast it on national television ;-) that might deter further spammers a little bit more if they all knew that their jewels are literally on the line....

I hate spams.... and spammers...

While he's up the river I think he should be able to recieve email (but not send it) and the only email he should receive is spam (maybe his own spam redirected to him). The sentence seems light for all that he was found guilty of. 'nuff said.

Cheers,
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I think that if the 7 years doest deter him from doing it again, the $16 mil he has to pay will. man wont be able to afford a computer.

if only we could do that with AO members :) (btw: I have immunity from that law) :)

Well, in either sense spam blow's. 'Nuff said. :)

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and i think that all of us who undoubtedly got one of those 825 million emails should get to line up and give him a swift kick

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So you mean i finally get to wear those arse kicking boots i brought the other day SWEEEEEEET

info tech geek: what do you mean you have immunity from that law

some time ago, I read of something pretty funny. Now, I don't know about the validity of this story but, it still made me laugh (this current case reminds me of it).
Some guy who apparently was a major e-mail spammer had his indentity found out (in what manner I don't much remember). Once the people knew who he was, they then found out his address and signed him up for every possible junk mail, catalog, newsletter, etc etc they could find.
The guy got so overhwhelmed with mail, he had to change his address and if I'm not mistaken, I believe he even tried to sue the people that did it to him. How's that for irony? :D

What about the guy who would take his junk mail and just dump it back into the postal drop box. He was arrested and they gave him a pretty harsh sentence.

Uhh I was greened saying cuz this thread was going suicidal? Now I don't care about the green's, but this thread look's far from suicidal. What's up here?

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Yep,
I was spammed with some greenies as well. Off with his head, LOL

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Originally posted here by Spyder32
Dude, take away his computer or some **** or put him on some "Dade no computer access Zero Cool Hacker's Movie" type ****, but don't give the man 7 YEARS of no freedom for sending **** load's of e-mail's. That's a bit rash, it's not like he robbed anyone or killed anyone. I know people in the paper I've read about in the paper who got less for burglary and robbery and that's DEFINITELY a much more serious offense. Way to much punishment IMO.

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I can see how one might view his punishment as a bit severe, but there are a few things here that don't improve his chances at all.

1: 800+ MILLION spam emails is extensively huge. Providing you could send an email out 1 per second successfully with no foreseen problems, it would take 25.3 YEARS to send all those. Without timeouts, without delays, without bounces, without "User unknown", etc..

That's a LONG FREAKING TIME to be sending mail.

2: he used stolen identities, emails, etc to do this. That alone right there deserves another 25 years in prison, IMHO. You steal someone's email, you effectively have their identity in the digital sense and hence, are acting for them. The problem with this is two-fold. First being the fact that he's not getting their information legally and second being the fact that they are probably unaware so said person's email has been compromised and probably blacklisted across the board due to this guy's personal goal of 1 billion mail or whatever.

I think it should be 7+10 years with no chance of parole and never being able to have a job with a computer. Ever.

EDIT addition: I just realized that if he served one second in jail for every mail he sent, that would be more than 25 years. Appropriate enough and I'm well-aware that that's considered "eye for an eye". Should be.

Vorlin: I agree, to an extent.

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1: 800+ MILLION spam emails is extensively huge. Providing you could send an email out 1 per second successfully with no foreseen problems, it would take 25.3 YEARS to send all those.

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That's true and when you put it like that, it does make it seem alot. Which it most certainly is.

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he used stolen identities, emails, etc to do this. That alone right there deserves another 25 years in prison, IMHO. You steal someone's email, you effectively have their identity in the digital sense

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Agree completely, and again when you put it like that, I guess it does justify that punishment (and then some).

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I just realized that if he served one second in jail for every mail he sent, that would be more than 25 years.

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Now that's a little over the edge. You can look at it like that or like this. People serving time for Murder 2 could have that amount of time. Now did he kill someone? No..

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I think it should be 7+10 years with no chance of parole and never being able to have a job with a computer. Ever.

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Sound's reasonable. Or atleast no access to email ;)

Hehe, true...one second for every mail he sent might be a bit much and he sure didn't kill anyone. I also wish that those on death row would end up dead in a year with only one chance of appeal instead of the current system, but I digress.

Who knows if he'll ever have a job with a computer, but I sure wouldn't allow it. And you can't really say "Sure, have access to a computer but not email". In this case, it would have to be one or the other, similar to gun laws.

EDIT addition: also note that given the 25 year sentence, or even the 7 year sentence, you know he'll be out in 2.3 years for good behaviour knowing our system, haha... :D

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also note that given the 25 year sentence, or even the 7 year sentence, you know he'll be out in 2.3 years for good behaviour knowing our system, haha...

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Yeah, chances are he will :D.

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In this case, it would have to be one or the other

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In this case, maybe.. yeah. As for the deathrow thing, some people on death row wait long year's before execution. But there's too many people and the process has made it that way. I'm sure even THEY wish they could get executed within a year instead of being tormented with the thought of it for 20 year's or so.