I am just surprise to know that people can easily hack through msn and yahoo. I that because they both use UDP?(whis is less secure than IP, but how?
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I am just surprise to know that people can easily hack through msn and yahoo. I that because they both use UDP?(whis is less secure than IP, but how?
Read the F*$@% FAQ.
http://www.antionline.com/misc.php?s=&action=faq
with 19 posts, someone would think you knew what this site was about.
It does not surprise me how many ways one can ask how to hack hotmail or Yahoo.Quote:
I am just surprise to know that people can easily hack through msn and yahoo. I that because they both use UDP?(whis is less secure than IP, but how?
Grow a nutsack.
UDP(User Datagram Protocol): Internet standard network layer, transport layer and session layer protocols which provide simple but unreliable datagram services. UDP is defined in STD 6 , RFC 768 . It adds a checksum and additional process-to-process addressing information. UDP is a connectionless protocol which, like TCP, is layered on top of IP.
UDP neither guarantees delivery nor does it require a connection. As a result it is lightweight and efficient, but all error processing and retransmission must be taken care of by the application program.
But I don't agree with you that Yahoo and Hotmail aren't secure!
I have no clue how you to get a "how do i hack hotmail" from his question as it is abstruse and not being presented into english very well. But i will clarify a bit, i think? Ip is internet protocol , udp is a part of ip as is tcp, udp has no way to correct itself and is connectionless. If packets are lost they are gone and that is it. Tcp has error correction so that if packets get lost on the way they are resent and also holds a connection. And well it really has not much to do with the insecurity/security of yahoo and msn messanger. The actual programs are what cause security risks not the protocol used , I assume udp is used due to its speed?? and not due to a lack of security (please someone correct me:). I don't know if i have answered your question as i am not sure if i know what it is or if i can even???
I am just surprised to know that people can easily hack through msn and yahoo. Is that because they both use UDP? Is this because this is an insecure protocol ???
(neg me you intolerant wankers) :mad: :mad:
edit-- reference http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=258562
well TCP is connection oriented and UDP is connectionless, so how UDP is faster than TCP can anyone enlighten me>? Is connectionless= no connection?
LoL... I stick on with my reply in the other thread .. :) => http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=258562
.. Hope I helped you a bit :DQuote:
UDP(User Datagram Protocol): Internet standard network layer, transport layer and session layer protocols which provide simple but unreliable datagram services. UDP is defined in STD 6 , RFC 768 . It adds a checksum and additional process-to-process addressing information. UDP is a connectionless protocol which, like TCP, is layered on top of IP.
UDP neither guarantees delivery nor does it require a connection. As a result it is lightweight and efficient, but all error processing and retransmission must be taken care of by the application program.
With udp you send they recieve, done. With tcp you send , they send and aknowledgement and then you say ok and then the transfer starts so there is a three way handshake as opposed to just a send and receive so there is much less overhead which makes things faster. A basic book on ip tcp/ip will explain the whole lot better than i can and in much greater depth try this one , i can't vouch for it as i just pulled it from almighty google http://www.pcsupportadvisor.com/search/c04100.htm
Tell him to learn english for christs sake then.. and the title was How do you hack from msn yahoo or hotmail....Quote:
(neg me you intolerant wankers)
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Originally posted here by MemorY
Tell him to learn english for christs sake then.. and the title was How do you hack from msn yahoo or hotmail....
Why don't you learn to understand pidgeon english, or at least be tolerant of esl. Expecting perfect english of others is a ignorant ethnocentric view of the world. Parlez vous Francais?
I didnt say nothing against him, but you're attacking us because he didnt form a good clear questions. If he asked it clearly he woudln't get the reponse he got.
And oh, i moved to the US 3 years ago, i dont speak perfect english either, so don't tell me im impatient with others that dont speak english very well.
Hi
UDP as a Protocol is not that bad as it sound's (like being Conectionless, Dosen't Gurantee Delevery , Pakets Might Routed throught Different paths altogether, Packets might reach out of order or might arrive faster than the receiver can handle )..........But i think thse are the features that gives it the Speed and flexibility....and i think it's more roubust than the connectoin orented counterpart...First case if in IP which is connection oriented a Router or a Switchin node breaks down .. the whole connection will be lost.....new connection has to be created and retransmittion .....By take the case of UDP ..Packets Might be talking alterantive routes..........It's faster Because no overheahs employes on connection formation.....Sequencing ......and Acknoledgment......Just throw the packets out and let the Higher layers take care of the delivery and other stufff.......It's the Best for These kind of transmission such as Chat why employ so muct overhead on transmitting text messages.......Have you notices sometimes some words or lines sometimes Getting dissapering from the original message........Thats because of Packet loss....Happens to me all the time ......Quote:
well TCP is connection oriented and UDP is connectionless, so how UDP is faster than TCP can anyone enlighten me>? Is connectionless= no connection?
and yes Connectionless means no direct connection between the transmitter and the receiver on the UDP's part......
How can UDP be Employed to hack MSN or Yahoo.........Hmmmm........I don't know much about the topic...Or Chat Bombers and Stuff like that.........But there are Many other ways than using UDP ..... :D
And it was a very valid question .....I don't see any Thing wrong in it...it's just that we have become so intolerent.........yes a bit pooerly written i agree.(.i too belong to a non-English Speaking Country and generally have problem expressing my self i would request people to be a bit toletent towards me and people like me at least give them a chance to clarify what they might be trying to ask)..But valid ...and should be discussed indepth if indeed UDP Can be employed to hack/crack Chat messengers
--Good Luck--
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Got a bit more information for you Messengers like MSN ,Yahoo, AIn do not use UDP to transfer those text messages......They Just pass HTML-encoded Clear text message..between one another These messages are not encrypted ans routed over the internet
UDP is used for Voice/Video Chat . it is when the Central Chat Server Steps aside and the Two Chat Clients are on their own. a direct Connection is established.......
Now the use of UDP seems just fine to me...UDP is very Good gor Transmitting Things where we can compromise on accuracy to attain Speed........In Voice and Vedio you can do that ,,even if a few frams get mised in the transmission it dosen't matter much rather than a very slow and delayed ones.............
And to come back to the original Question is the use of UDP makes Chatting More Sustable to attacks.......What exactly have you in mind........How do you think it can ..can you shed some light on it...........
the title was actually how do people hack from... etcQuote:
How do you hack from msn yahoo or hotmail....
Memory - true you didn't say anything against him directly but then no one exactly gave the guy a chance to explain himself properly. Need to use a little more critical analysis here folks. To be sure if he was asking how you hack someone elses account then neg him all you like but I have to admit I didn't get that from his question.
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I never negged him nor was i planning to, i guess i provoked some members to neg him by my response. Sorry.
never said you did mate and neither would I have said anything about AP's - what you do with the dots is up to you. I just agree with lumpy's sentiments in this instance - but I could see this thread starting to head off for a hot time so I thought I'd try and calm the waters a little ;)
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Guess this worked... I merged the other thread with this one, which brought it back from the dead and didn't seem to have any effect on the antipoint-status of this one...
If anyone thinks this is unfair (the original thread went suicidal), just let me know and I'll undo my evil-doings (if possible :D).
Well, English wasn't born in states, After living in UK over 5 years,I believe If people has commom sense to deal with basic things,If non english speaker come along and say me water.....drink.....me....then I will guess that he needs water to drink.If you believe that you are super in english Good luck. But for me english is just the way of communication...I get my daily bread here in UK after speaking english and I am glad that no one has complain so far.and hack+yahoo+msn doesn't mean that I am trying to know/learn how to hack. If this is the case there could be many other alternatives.
I join AntiOnline to learn something...surely not english but to protect myself from the connected world as it advertised. If someone like to hack my computer using msn or Yahoo, I will love to know how. So that it will help me for the future and who to trust.So far I know all the chat clients use UDP and if this is the reason that sniffer steal the packets, without knowing by the owner of the computer.
Sorry for my english....
Hi
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So far I know all the chat clients use UDP and if this is the reason that sniffer steal the packets, without knowing by the owner of the computer.
Yes They use UDP only For The Voice and Video ...Not for transmitting Text messages they are transmitted an clear text..........So i think there should be no problem...........The only problem i see is when you initiate Voice and Video Chat or transfer a file form one another the other guy will be able to see you IP address........By simly opening the command prompt and typing netstat......and an IP adress is not something that is hard to obtain so i wouldn't wory about it too much....he Could Port scan you and look for any open ports..and Vanrublities ........So if you keep your computer secure ..Install the latest Security Updates form microsoft and the latest messenger Clients you should be safe......I don't think using UDP is a problem.Clear text messages as susaptable to Sniffing as UDP............
--Good Luck---
back to the original topic, because the messages themselves are sent through CLEAR TEXT html, it is easy for people to use a packet capture/sniffer like ethereal. from there these "people" will do filters by the IP addresses of the sender and receiver from there they can sort them by time with that information can reconstruct the conversation.
furthermore, if a person is on a switched netwrk, then they will use a program like ettercap to reroute all traffic through them (by poisoning the arp tables) and can capture the packets like that.
the best new development is AIM's new encrypted AIM which allows for the encryption of these clear text messages... good fo us i guess, if only people would use it (Yeah memory -- you know what i am talking about ;))
as far as the difference between the differences in the protocols, that has been posted earlier and covered very well...
**NON-DISCLAIMER** -- all information that was shared has been for informational/educational purposes. I am not responsible for its malicious use and strongly suggest against it
Hey Hey,
This thread astounds me. I'm surprised it was re-opened. IMHO this guy is nothing more than another skiddie... if I'm wrong, he's gotta be the dumbest person, or the most uninformed person, in the world.
Well they don't use UDP (not for regular every day use anyways) and it's on a completely different layer than IP which has been stated time and time again... Not sure what to say about the "secure" part... it blows my mind.Quote:
I that because they both use UDP?(whis is less secure than IP, but how?
Eventually this is posted.... now it's just getting sad... Time and Time again he's been told UDP is only for certain applications in chat clients and that they primarily use TCP. You can sniff packets because they're UDP? This makes me want to cringe... It's one thing to have a misconception or make a mistake... but it's another thing to say outright that you "know" incorrect information. Sniffing has nothing to do with if it's UDP or not....Quote:
So that it will help me for the future and who to trust.So far I know all the chat clients use UDP and if this is the reason that sniffer steal the packets, without knowing by the owner of the computer.
I think he needs to go back to his computer and learn a little more than where the power button is, and how to double click on the Internet Explorer icon... to stop being a damn skiddie and do something with his life... All he's done is spout off incorrect information in the hopes that someone will tell him how to hack hotmail or MSN Messenger, he may not have said "how do you hack hotmail", but that's exactly what he's waiting to hear....
Anyways... they say not to post unless you are going to provide something useful... so here's the useful part now that I have that outta my system.
Anyways, there's an MSN Messenger message looks like. As you can see, it is clearly _NOT_ UDP. You can tell because there's a TCP Header and in the IP Header the protocol is set to 6 (TCP).Code:IP HEADER 207.46.108.80 -> 192.168.1.100
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IP->version: 4
IP->ihl: 5
IP->tos: 0
IP->tot_len: 201
IP->id: 6868
IP->frag_off: 0
IP->ttl: 115
IP->protocol: 6
IP->checksum: 35189
TCP HEADER
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TCP->sport: 1863
TCP->dport: 3057
TCP->seq: 1375951434
TCP->ack: 283282839
TCP->off: 5
TCP->flags: PUSH|ACK
TCP->window: 17371
TCP->checksum: 53742
TCP->urp: 0
----- Begin of data dump -----
4d 53 47 20 68 74 5f 72 65 67 7a 40 68 6f 74 6d MSG ht_regz@hotm
61 69 6c 2e 63 6f 6d 20 48 54 20 31 32 39 0d 0a ail.com HT 129..
4d 49 4d 45 2d 56 65 72 73 69 6f 6e 3a 20 31 2e MIME-Version: 1.
30 0d 0a 43 6f 6e 74 65 6e 74 2d 54 79 70 65 3a 0..Content-Type:
20 74 65 78 74 2f 70 6c 61 69 6e 3b 20 63 68 61 text/plain; cha
72 73 65 74 3d 55 54 46 2d 38 0d 0a 58 2d 4d 4d rset=UTF-8..X-MM
53 2d 49 4d 2d 46 6f 72 6d 61 74 3a 20 46 4e 3d S-IM-Format: FN=
4d 53 25 32 30 53 61 6e 73 25 32 30 53 65 72 69 MS%20Sans%20Seri
66 3b 20 45 46 3d 3b 20 43 4f 3d 30 3b 20 43 53 f; EF=; CO=0; CS
3d 30 3b 20 50 46 3d 32 32 0d 0a 0d 0a 74 65 73 =0; PF=22....tes
74 t
----- End of data dump -----
Peace,
HT