treason?

Is this just bad journalism? I don’t think so.

Putting aside whether you like Cheney or not, time magazine has revealed to the entire world the location of the second in command of the United States in the event of a national emergency. If I were to go tell OBL and the boys this myself I would be jailed for treason. IMO it is!

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm

WHITE HOUSE ANGER AFTER TIME MAGAZINE DETAILS LOCATION OF CHENEY'S 'SECRET BUNKER'
Tue Jun 15 2004 11:11:34 ET

Top White House officials expressed anger after TIME magazine detailed the location of Vice President Dick Cheney's secret bunker, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

In new editions, TIME revealed "Site R," an underground bunker on the Maryland-Pennsylvania border where the Vice President spent much of his time in 2001.

TIME wrote: "Deep under Raven Rock Mountain, Site R is a secret world of five buildings, each three stories tall, computer filled caverns and a subterranean water reservoir. It is just 7 miles from Camp David."

Raven Rock Mountain is easily found using basic geographical maps.

One White House officials fumed Monday night: "TIME magazine would have revealed secret the location of Anne Frank, if they knew it."

Developing...

The AJCC (alternet joint comunications center) in the middel of a military base...highly unlikely that the HQ of army comunications wouldn't be a target with or without chany there. Not supreised its his bunker one of the most secure places in the area that isn't part of DC and a very logical place to hide him considering the coms gear allready there. A bit of intrest to us infosec guys that the home of the DISA...neat place, if i had thaught about it this would have been on my short list of chany locals, very doubtful its the only one. Even wit hthe name being out chany isn't any less secure.

so you think the times should be able to print anything it gets its hands on?

Thats the wonders of freedom ofthe press...I would be more worried about who leaked this info to the times, once its been leaked its public domain, and considering the site leting people know hes there dosn't jeperdise his security. Interestingly this site pops up as one of the locations for the shadow goverment in many conspericy theories......

While it is on the ground of an Army Fort. I wouldn't call it heavily populated. No doubt security was probably lacking do to it's hidden agenda. But it's close proximity to Camp David would make that easier to remedy. Typically security at these sites are low key, that is to assist in their secrecy. While I agree there is freedom in the press to mention these things, it's poor judgement in my opinion. Site R is a known communications center that hasn't really been a secret for a while, but this does make it an easier target especially since it's generally accepted that something will happen this summer and now there is coordinates to a spot known to house the secretarty of Defense often. Hell they already got the Pentagon once.

agreed its not a 'major' security threat. but where is the line drawn.

"a times reporter has dicovered a secret doomsday machine in place and set up so the president can reach it from anywhere. all he has to do is dial 1.800.eatshit and enter the code 'endnow'."

on issues of national security, and emergency command centers are just that, just because someone leaked it to the press or some investigative reporter discovered it is no reason to publish it. doesn't responsible journalism include protecting the nation? there is no reason we should allow anyone to make the enemies job ANY easier.

Have to agree with Tedob1, The press is responsible for so much of the current world opinion, and fuels the fire of whats right and wrong. I would rather not know half of whats leaked and released by these do gooders that are chasing bigger egos and statas. What you dont know wont hurt you. In my short time on this planet, i thought that propagander and the opinion of the masses won wars and changed the world, be it true or false. It seems that some american jorno's are on the other side, allways taking the veiw of human rights and decency
just to get a good story to better their career, while forgetting who they are and what they should stand for. I think that there is too much freedom in a democratic society, that lets these traitors reveal such information as mentioned above. The sooner the powers that be curb these idiots and enforce some kind of security standard, the easier it will be to manage peoples minds and opinions. Shouldn't it come down to national security ? Does el jazzeera
show the other side of the story ? i dont think so. Would their own jorno's leak extremists locations ? Maybe, but it wouldn't be printed or broadcast.
As long as we all stand up for fredom of the press and everything else democratic, i know who is going to win this war, not the ****ing do gooders.
Anyways just my opinion

Tedob1,

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all he has to do is dial 1.800.eatshit and enter the code 'endnow'."

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Those instructions are way too complicated for a politician?...we are all safe folks.....

Errrrrrrrrrr?

These installations are not majicked out of the ground?..........someone built them?..............several of those were sleeper spies? So the "enemy" KNOW about them?

Anyways, if you killed Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney............would America come to an end?............I doubt it :D

And I thought that I was paranoid
::hide-beh

For those of you who agree that this information should be published, let us look at this from a light that shines closer to home.

The scenario:

A child rapist/murderer has been active in your home town or urban area. Now in all fairness to freedom of the press, a journalist pulls the following information about the all of the children in the local area: names, ages, addresses, school bus numbers, where they like to play, number of parents /w occupations and hours of employment, and the general conditions where the children may be left at home alone; and this journalist prints all of this information in the local newspaper, making it much easier to kidnap, molest, and kill your child, brother, or sister as the case may be. Sure the sicko that is plaguing the area could find out all of this information on his own, but remember this is freedom of the press! It doesn't matter whose life is endangered as long as you are not targeting a minority group, where the article can be mistrued as a hate speech.

If you still think this it is a good idea to print the location of our vice-president during a national crisis, you really need to seek medical help.

OverdueSpy: the posted a location that he was in during the last crisis, he is nolonger in hideing and i doubt they would use the same place twice, there are plenty of bunkers within a few hours of DC (or hell theres camp david)

Nihli: you are correct way to hard, the code for our old miniteman missles was 0000000 so they wouldnt have t oremembe a bunch of numbers to launch them :)

as for names/addresses of children, that is not public information unless you starting printing it or giving it out to reporters if they print it its an envasion of privacy...same wit hchanys location, if some dope in the administration wasn't trying to look cool and mouth off to the press about where he was hidden (from what i saw of the artical the reporter got a toure of the site or something) on the record this would have never been reported..excpt for a few dopes (Heraldo a noteable exception) most members of the press wont give out state secrates they know off the record...im sure most people in the belway knew where chany was but said nothing till the administration gave them the goahead with a leak.(its not taht hard to notice where marien 1 is going or that convoy of limos and black SUV's...hell either chany or bush was in my neck of the woods about 6 months ago with out alerting any one, i know beacuse some one sent secrate service out for pizza and they drove federal plate one, the press must have noticed air force one flying in but said nothing.)

bballad, your speaking of local press...

this was in Time magazine. I think that is absolutely wrong and pathetic. The way the war coverage was for alot of things, Saddam could have turned on CNN and found out exactly what we were going to do. Frankly I don't think wars should ever be play by play as they seem to be some sort of a sport for reporters these days. I like the coverage during the first Gulf War, being that the reporters were only given access to so much information that was time critical, and weren't allowed to be embedded with the troops.

At the same time a notable exception in the press leakage, was when President Bush went to Baghdad Airport to serve Thanksgiving dinner to the troops. That was truly exceptional press, as they waited to break the story. Had that been reported, every insurgent in Iraq would have been coming up to pop a shot at the President. IMO thats the way it should be. Basic decency of the press, and concern for security should always take precidence over breaking the story.

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Originally posted here by nihil
if you killed Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney............would America come to an end?

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I wouldn't joke like that, they were having a political debate on my friends Live Journal and a joke was made such as "a bullet would take care of that problem" and they were investigated by the secret service.

Just thought it was interesting that alot of folks might not know that there is a whole big line of succession to the Presidency.

From Infoplease...
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0101032.html

The Vice President Richard Cheney
Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
President pro tempore of the Senate1 Ted Stevens
Secretary of State Colin Powell
Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
Attorney General John Ashcroft
Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
Secretary of Agriculture Ann M. Veneman
Secretary of Commerce Donald Evans
Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao
Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy G. Thompson
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham
Secretary of Education Roderick Paige
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony J. Principi
Secretary of Homeland Security2 Tom Ridge

However I think Info is correct that such jokes won't be taken so lightly by the Secret Service.

I do not understand the media's love for giving out information like this... Do they WISH for the nation to end because their dumb***es let something important out? Do they not think that terrorists record CNN and all the other major news networks 24/7?

When will the maddness end? Proably only once we all move to china...

BTW, nice avy thatbme ;)

thadbme: haraldo is local media? the folkes embbeded in iraq is local media, the beltway bunch is local media...what is your definition of no local media?

GRUNT, the assassination of the president or vice president would not endthe nation, we have survived taht before and will survive it again...more over how is conferming the location that chany used(and would be unlikely to use again for that reason) a threat to him?

I didn't say that would end the nation.. it would seriously injure it and change the way a lot of the world thinks of our country, for good or bad.

The Grunt: I don't see how...we generaly move right on after an assassination of a veep...takes perhaps ten years to get passed the president (depending on which one) america is an amzeingly resiliant country with a *VERY* short memory

You are right bballad, it does have a short memory. They forget history leading to events because technology and those who control it have them in their grasp for the "moment". Weather Socialist, liberal, conservative, or one of many other viewpoints.

detailing government hidey holes is not a smart thing. Even if it's Al Gore who is there. It's not related to Cheney. It's related to the past present and future.

Ballad,

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im sure most people in the belway knew where chany was but said nothing till the administration gave them the goahead with a leak.(its not taht hard to notice where marien 1 is going or that convoy of limos and black SUV's...hell either chany or bush was in my neck of the woods about 6 months ago with out alerting any one, i know beacuse some one sent secrate service out for pizza and they drove federal plate one, the press must have noticed air force one flying in but said nothing.)

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That is the local media I'm referring to.

For the record I dont even consider Geraldo (note the spelling) a real reporter.

The local press keeping their mouth shut because they "may" have known where Cheney was is a good thing. Time magazine hosting an article about where he is, is a bad thing. Why not go ahead and give tactics on how to assault the place, or a good satellite photo of it. Thats as bad as I see this thing.

Treason I say!!

Grunt : Thanks!

thadbeme,

Thanks for your response, the situation is somewhat similar over here, there is a long line of succession.

The only problem I can see for you guys is that you would need to hold elections?

Over here we vote for the political party, and it is their members of parliament who choose the prime minister. So if our guy were wiped out, the party would just appoint replacements in a few days without the need to go to the electorate.

Cheers

We wouldn't hold elections. We use the line of succession until all of them die, then we hold elections, so unless all get wiped, the next person in line stays until the next election (which is every 4 years)

Tedob1,

The old Navy phrase "Loose Lips Sinks Ships" applies here as well. I believe it was/is completely irresponsible for anyone to disclose any information, in any country, about where your safe domains are for your leaders. As much as we may like or not like them, the leaders are the only ones who can flip the war machine "on" and just as important if not more, "OFF"

This article wasn't about the Alto First Seat at the local Glee Club. :eek:

cheers

thadbme: the belt way crowd is the washington belt reporters forthe major papers and television news outlet...just a term that most jurnalists use for them. so no they are not local. as for the press in my area, the local papers are major national papers with there own national tv outlet, again not local stuff.

Again, I can't go to the bookstore and pick up one of those papers. I sure can get a Time magazine with no problems, as I'm sure they would be easy to pickup overseas as well. Time is much bigger than those papers.

You could probably get the wall street journal if you are in a U.S. subsidary. It ships all over the U.S.

Where exactly do you live? hawaii?

still not wall street, i'm adament that time is big..... I live in Texas, in the middle of no where :)

Well you can still get wall street journal then.. As long as you get U.S. Mail.. i would hope they don't conisder you that far out ;)