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I mentioned this in an unrelated thread....why not have a "top ten AP assigners" list? Since the community is designed to police itself, wouldn't it make sense to allow us to see who likes throwing their weight around? Would it not make spotting potential abusers/alliance members easier?
Your thoughts please...
Well, MemorY gave out over 10,000....is that normal or would it count as abuse or something, not a bad idea.
I can see the potential of both the good and the bad of that suggestion.
Perhaps instead of all the members being able to see this, wouldn't it be better if justs the mods could see this?
This is a great idea allen this has my vote.
Got my vote also! :)
defiantly got my Vote on this idea..
also in the ap center can we see the numbers of pos/neg aps recieved/given
I know it gives totals and a % so you can work it out....but I'm lazy ;)
plus it would be nice to be able to see at a glance
v_Ln
I'm not too bothered about this either way, but I'm feeling nice today so I'll give it the thumbs up. :thumbsup:
Great suggestion allen (and val, I really like this one). Just remember JP was good with the coding for Top Ten AP Earner's/Top 10 Posters/etc but can mnstrgrl implement it? I've only been back a few month's and I'm not sure of her coding skill's (not doubting them, just saying ;)). But like I said, I really hope this suggestion get's implemented.
I don't think it's a question of skill but rather time. Reality is that we share mnstrgrl with a couple of other JUPM forums. The coding changes she's put in place for other things have been pretty good and with relatively few problems (she is human however). So it's more patience and being clear as to what it is you want to envision, why and how it will benefit the forums. :DQuote:
Just remember JP was good with the coding for Top Ten AP Earner's/Top 10 Posters/etc but can mnstrgrl implement it? I've only been back a few month's and I'm not sure of her coding skill's (not doubting them, just saying )
If it's a quick fix, it'll probably done relatively quickly (I've seen a few things done within a few hours of mentioning it). Some might require little more detail and might be on a "To Do" list when the next big upgrade is done.. :D
Heh, believe me I never doubted the skill. I ph33r the skill ;) But MsM, in that case, it couldn't take THAT long to put the code in for the idea could it? I mean, it's virtually like the Top 10 AP earner's list except just a different list. It's not as if she sort's through who gave out how many AP's and manually does it. LOL.. so yeah, how long (In your opinion) do you think it could honestly take to simply put the code in for it?
I don't know what her schedule is like so I can't say. The question I'd ask is do we really need to know who gives out APs? Why does it matter so much if APs don't matter?
I'd rather see who participates more often in Security threads than who gives out points. But that's me.
I agree, I would as well (I didn't suggest this, just voting for it). However (like allen pointed out) it would be helpful especially to you mod's/admin's to know who give's out the most AP's (whether positive or negative?) to help possibly determine alliance's, bullies, etc. However the flipside to this would be that all the older member's who have stayed through AO's many year's would come up merely because they've been here for awhile (you, Neg, etc). So who know's. I follow what your saying MsM, maybe a new feature like having ALL security posts in the user's profile? (Not just most post's, but ALL their security posts). K I'm done now :D
Not really. We already have a mod/admin mechnism to check this. If members think this information is useful, then it will probably be implemented. But right now I look at it and it just becomes another thing to complain about (so and so gives out too many APs; so and so doesn't give out enough).Quote:
However (like allen pointed out) it would be helpful especially to you mod's/admin's to know who give's out the most AP's (whether positive or negative?
But as I've said, this is just my personal opinion. We don't need to know all the security threads we post in but perhaps the ones that post the most in security threads as a Top Ten might be useful. Or perhaps each security forum having top 3 posters? (perhaps too much detail).
OK...a little more detail that perhaps will clarify my motives for making this suggestion. Let the code reflect the NUMBER of assignments made, NOT the number of points assigned. That way Neg, MsM and the rest of the heavyweights don't clog up the list when they might only be making one or two assignments a day. When listing the T.T. assigners, place a '+' or '-' beside their name, denoting the type of points the majority of the member's assignments contained. That should make "thread bombers" easier to spot as most folks tend to give more green than red. Let's say a thread gets bombed, and suddenly one, two or three people appear on the list. It is feasible that a mod (if they have the ability) or admin could check the IP(s) of the bomber(s) and potentially discover a troll with multiple accounts. By the same token, if you have a member or members who consistently appear with a '+' over a period of days, then the mods or admins (at their discretion) can look into the possibility of an "alliance".
To appear on this list is not a badge of honor, and its very presence could potentially curb the amount of undeserved AP's that some members so callously tend to throw around. Those of you who have been around a long time have seen MANY abuses of the system. All I'm trying to do is suggest a way that *might* prevent such incidents from occurring again, or at the very least make it easier to "nip them in the bud".
And I'll even agree that this might be best implemented as an administrative tool although I confess that I'd prefer to see it on the main page as it tends to reveal "characteristics" of fellow community members that I'd like to be able to observe.
On the other hand, it may give the wrong impression. If a member posts a series of good tutorials we'll see an influx of APs being toss about. If multiple members do it, then it may give the false indication of AP alliance. On the other side, if there are an influx of trolls we'll see members giving multiple negs to deal with the trolls.Quote:
To appear on this list is not a badge of honor, and its very presence could potentially curb the amount of undeserved AP's that some members so callously tend to throw around.
(Just playin' devil's advocate but I do understand what you mean)
This wouldn't be very hard to implement ... I've just been hanging back to watch the discussion, see what the consensus is about its usefulness before I do anything.
pwaring -- adding total points in the AP center, in addition to percentages, is an easy thing too. I'll work on that soon.
- h
Granted if a good tut shows up, we will see an influx of APs....but since the system would be based on total assignments given not total points given it should have no effect on the list. IF 20 people give me APs, it's not gonna make a blip on the radar because they all came from different people. On the other hand, if I find a thread I don't like and decide to neg everyone and close it....BOOM...I'm on the list and it's pretty easy for you, Neg, mnstrgrl and the rest of AO to figure out who just killed that thread. If I appear consistently then it is possible that I might be engaged in some sort of nefarious activity....or maybe I'm just one of those people who puts too much stock in APs....either way the info can help you guys do your jobs and help the community decide what type of member I am.Quote:
Originally posted here by MsMittens
On the other hand, it may give the wrong impression. If a member posts a series of good tutorials we'll see an influx of APs being toss about. If multiple members do it, then it may give the false indication of AP alliance. On the other side, if there are an influx of trolls we'll see members giving multiple negs to deal with the trolls.
(Just playin' devil's advocate but I do understand what you mean)
BTW...having a judeao-christian (sp?) background, I am somewhat disturbed by the concept of a supreme being who doubles as the devils advocate....
;)
Actually, it was Valhallen who suggested that. ;)Quote:
Originally posted here by mnstrgrl
pwaring -- adding total points in the AP center, in addition to percentages, is an easy thing too. I'll work on that soon.
Ahh, I'm sorry I misinterpreted that al. In that case, I REALLY see your point and it's effectiveness as well as how well it should work seem's really high. I'm really liking this idea.Quote:
Let the code reflect the NUMBER of assignments made, NOT the number of points assigned.
HAHA! Being a christian myself and knowing the humor in it as well, I've gotta thank you for giving me the best laugh of this week! :) :DQuote:
BTW...having a judeao-christian (sp?) background, I am somewhat disturbed by the concept of a supreme being who doubles as the devils advocate....
I vote for having top ten assigners, pos and neg. Maybe a site stats page? With a bunch of weird stats, like most replied to member, and something?
I'm still up in the air about this one. I'll vote on it, later when I've come to a decision. Right now though, I can see all of MsM's points a little better than I can see yours Allen. Yes, I was a victim of an 'alliance', but I'm still not certain that members need the ability to see who is assigning what. You're still going to have to deal with the fact that more than likely, the Top 10 AP assigners are going to be older members, except perhaps for Memory....I haven't assigned anywhere near 10,000 AP's. But logically speaking, it is still going to be the older members who have the most assignments. And you know that no matter what the original intent is (this is not a list you want to be on, neccesarily) some idiot is going to abuse it just to get their name on the main page.
I think overall, it seems like an idea that in an idyllic world would work well, but since we're dealing with the real world, I'm not so sure it's a great plan.
Uhm, MemorY isn't a Top Ten Assigner just to let you know. And it isn't how many point's you've assigned, it's how many assignment's are made (I know, I was confused as well about that). Also, if some idiot want's to get their name on the page that way, then they will be known as someone who abuses the system thus the admins/mods of the site go to work and know what kinda person he/she is (or like al said that he invest's too much in the AP system).
Hmm, i think this is just another village gossip idea :D
Why would other people wanna share or see who assigned APs... I would say that the users should have a choice to make it visible or not. Not that i have anything to hide... but some people might not like that.
Just some thoughts :)
Cheers.
Lol, so you're the one neggin' the crap outta roll call, eh?Quote:
Not that i have anything to hide...
Uh oh, got me :DQuote:
Lol, so you're the one neggin' the crap outta roll call, eh?
Which on in my l33t AP alliance is the RAT? :(
if its "that" time consuming and demanding why don't jup med just hire an AO specific programmer, as this site is probably only one of the most if not the most popular security forums on the net (although security-forums (sfdc) kinda owns too) )Quote:
Originally posted here by MsMittens
I don't think it's a question of skill but rather time. Reality is that we share mnstrgrl with a couple of other JUPM forums. The coding changes she's put in place for other things have been pretty good and with relatively few problems (she is human however). So it's more patience and being clear as to what it is you want to envision, why and how it will benefit the forums. :D
If it's a quick fix, it'll probably done relatively quickly (I've seen a few things done within a few hours of mentioning it). Some might require little more detail and might be on a "To Do" list when the next big upgrade is done.. :D
An AO specific programmer probably wouldn't be justified from a financial point of view. I very much doubt that AO brings in sufficient revenue to pay both the hosting costs and the salary of someone to work full/part time on it.
umm they used to.. JP had a guy hired just for the hardware anyone remember steve? :P
I'm the only person you guys are likely to have to handle your requests. Work on this site doesn't take up enough time to merit a dedicated programmer. There have been weeks when I worked exclusively on this site, and then weeks when I didn't touch it at all. I would be unhappy if I was dedicated to work on this site because I would spend a lot of time very bored.
As to the suggestion presented in this thread: I haven't seen a consensus among you yet about whether or not you want this change. It won't take long to complete if I do it. It just hasn't become clear yet whether it should be done.
- h
I say do it mnstrgrl, it should be something interesting to see who is and who isn't on the list..
cheers
f2b:.
Ya! Do it! ;) Anythink that easy should be done :) More option, stat, information is always better!
According to the current vote 17 members are saying yes and 2 members are saying no, I say majority rules and it should be implemented.