Democrats and Spies

This is plagarized from several sources, but it gets the point across.

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The California Asian Pacific Islander Caucus – comprised entirely of Democrat elected officials – was prepared to honor former accused spy Wen Ho Lee with a "profile in courage" award.

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The ceremony has since been cancelled due to volunimous potestations form members of Moving America Forward.

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At a time when left-leaning politicians cannot find any words of praise for our brave troops fighting the War on Terrorism, it is astonishing to see that they have no problems honoring an individual who at the very best copied scores of classified material and U.S. secrets. Evidence still suggests Lee may have been involved with espionage activities to benefit China.

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Dang! I wish I had thought up that statement.

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Lee pleaded guilty to a single felony of using an unclassified, unsecure computer to download "information related to the national defense."

He and a large band of supporters, many of them from the Bay Area, claimed the government pursued him simply because he was a Chinese American.

Lee's ethnicity did fuel investigations of him by U.S. Energy Department counterintelligence agents and the FBI, but so did his copying of an extraordinary amount of nuclear weapons software to portable tapes.

He offered a persuasive account of throwing his tapes, containing what federal prosecutors called the "crown jewels" of the U.S. nuclear weapons program, into a Dumpster, which then was emptied into a landfill.

The Dumpster's contents were buried in one of two locations. An FBI team unearthed the shallowest garbage heap and found nothing. Verifying the deeper home of the "crown jewels" would, by FBI estimates, have cost at least $45 million, and it was never dug up.

Lee never persuasively explained his need for the tapes, and his case ended in uncertainty.

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And the Democrats still have the audacity to claim that their party is better for America, where national defense is concerned. Oh well this is just one more example of how Democrats speak out of both sides of their mouths. IMHO

And this post is another example of one-sided arguing to make Democrats look bad. A further look into the facts shows two interesting things:

1) This small caucus of representatives from only five cities in California is obviously not representative of all Democrats, nor would it be for all Republicans were that their party affiliation, and

2) He was never even convicted.

Take a look at this site: http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1147615/posts

Here are some excerpts you obviously didn't pay any attention to:

"Asian lawmakers from the Bay Area and Southern California said Thursday their small caucus in the Legislature will honor former accused spy Wen Ho Lee..."

"'There really was very little substantiation to, especially the more serious, charges about him being a spy," Chan said.'"

"He never was charged with stealing nuclear secrets for China, although that was the gist of news coverage of his case for almost two years."

"The most serious charges against Lee -- 39 counts of copying secrets with intent to aid an unnamed country or harm the national security of the United States, all punishable by up to life in prison -- were dropped in September 2000."

Now, even besides those, you should head over to www.wenholee.org where you can read the Judge's apology to Dr. Lee!!! Seriously, this argument is completely dead and will go nowhere. He was not convicted of the charges, and is now being honored for taking it like a man while they accused him of many things he, it turns out, probably did not even do, which makes perfect sense.

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And this post is another example of one-sided arguing to make Democrats look bad

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Not all democrats look bad, but if I was a democrat I sure would be embarassed of Gore. Especially his past speaches where he started his famous yelling. lol

"HE BETRAYED US!!!! HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS!!!!!"

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Anyway this has nothing to do with the above post really, I just wanted to through that in. lol

No offense, but I don't think it takes too much to make the Democrats look bad....one case mentioned above by cheyenne....dont forget Ted :drink: Kennedy, the clintons, Kussinich *spelling?*, Al Sharpton, and John FlipFlop Kerry.

No matter what the spin, they support a spy who sold secrets probably in the hands of Pakistan and others. If they are not representative of the party, denounce them in public. Don't defend it.

You're making another mistake that has been made already before, RoadClosed.

"they support a spy who sold secrets probably in the hands of Pakistan and others"

Innocent until proven guilty is oftentimes forgotten by people.

former accused spy Wen Ho Lee USED an unclassified, unsecure computer to download the "crown jewels" of the U.S. nuclear weapons program.

Anyone see the mistake?

All right I guess the alternative is, everyone lied. He's just an inoccent man. Give him a medal.

The dude plead quilty to downloading information related to national defence. Who cares if it was an unlcassified terminal. He was poking around got caught and got LUCKY.

First as far as I can see he was accused but not found guilty of spying. True he down loaded sensitive material but I have problems beliveing it was the crown jewels of americain nuclaire research.
Secondly the article is fairly obiviously pro republicain and as such its only reason for existing is to try and cause a scandel before the elections.
thirdly Overdue gives different parts of what I assume is one artical but does not give a link to it and doesnt give the whole artical. It is too easy to edit something to give it the slant you want.

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Originally posted here by jehnx
And this post is another example of one-sided arguing to make Democrats look bad.

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Errr...... What other kind of argument is there? If I could successfully argue the both sides of an argument and always be correct, then I could create my own political party. I know! I will call my new party the Supremian Party and my symbol will be a blue-eyed, blonde-haired Nazi superimposed over a Swastika (sp).

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1) This small caucus of representatives from only five cities in California is obviously not representative of all Democrats, nor would it be for all Republicans were that their party affiliation,

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Ok not all, I would say most though. IMHO

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2) He was never even convicted.

Take a look at this site: http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1147615/posts

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Yes, he was. See the part in your referenced artile: "Lee pleaded guilty to a single felony of using an unclassified, unsecure computer to download "information related to the national defense."

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Here are some excerpts you obviously didn't pay any attention to:

"Asian lawmakers from the Bay Area and Southern California said Thursday their small caucus in the Legislature will honor former accused spy Wen Ho Lee..."

"'There really was very little substantiation to, especially the more serious, charges about him being a spy," Chan said.'"

"He never was charged with stealing nuclear secrets for China, although that was the gist of news coverage of his case for almost two years."

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This is simply more Liberal propaganda, following the belief that if we say it loud enough and long enough, people will forget the truth. He was charged on 59 counts.

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"The most serious charges against Lee -- 39 counts of copying secrets with intent to aid an unnamed country or harm the national security of the United States, all punishable by up to life in prison -- were dropped in September 2000."

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He was convicted. In the United States, pleading guilty to a Felony results in a conviction. Hmmm.... Wonder if this is why the www.wenholee.org site is demanding a pardon from the President.

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Now, even besides those, you should head over to www.wenholee.org where you can read the Judge's apology to Dr. Lee!!! Seriously, this argument is completely dead and will go nowhere. He was not convicted of the charges, and is now being honored for taking it like a man while they accused him of many things he, it turns out, probably did not even do, which makes perfect sense.

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The plea-bargain was the reason that he was prosecuted for only 1 charge. Can't find my link to this particular reference but it is common knowledge throughout most articles referencing Lee's conviction.

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"On Sept. 13, prosecutors dropped 58 of 59 felony counts against Lee, and a federal judge sentenced him to the nine months he had already served in jail while awaiting trial. In return for his freedom, he promised to cooperate with the government's effort to determine what happened to the cassette tapes, which contained test data and design information on U.S. nuclear weapons."

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Also, I think you are confused about the intent of the Judges apology. The first 3 sentences from the article that you reference: "Dr. Lee, you have pled guilty to a serious crime. It's a felony offense. For that, you deserved to be punished." The Judge was apologizing for Mr. Lee being denied bail and being imprisoned prior to his trial. Pre-trial imprisonment is based upon the individuals likelyhood to flee. Now let's see.....Ties to foreign governments, accused of stealing and passing Nuclear secrets to foreign governments, it's easy to apply for asylum at a foreign embassy located in the U.S. Yeah, I would call him a risk to pre-trial flight.

Also there was an issue with the Clinton administration in conjunction with the Department of Justice where a wiretap was denied in the Lee case. http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberal...b19990409a.asp

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The FBI requested a wiretap on [alleged nuclear weapons spy Wen Ho] Lee. Justice denied it, arguing it did not have sufficient grounds to take to a federal court to get the tap approved. But a look at the Justice Department's record on wiretaps calls that argument into serious question. From 1993 to 1997, federal officials requested 2,686 wiretaps. For all its concern for probable cause and legal standards, the Justice Department turned down one request in those four years -- Lee's in 1996." -- Investor’s Business Daily editorial, March 30.

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<EDIT> Forgot to put in my comment: Why would the Clinton Administration deny this wiretap request? I smell collusion, big time. I just love the cover ups.

Finally this little excerpt: http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2000nn/00...01201nn.htm#14

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"Former Los Alamos physicist Wen Ho Lee has told investigators that he threw portable tapes containing nuclear secrets into a trash bin outside the weapons laboratory in January 1999, shortly after his security clearance was revoked."
"December 1998, he admitted for the first time that he had been asked about classified subjects during a private meeting with Chinese scientists in a Beijing hotel. After that disclosure, Lee was barred from his office in the lab's X Division on Dec. 23, 1998. On that night and the next night, Christmas Eve, he made the first of 17 attempts to re-enter the secure area to collect his personal items, Lee has told his questioners."
"Lee repeatedly sought access to the division after his access card was deactivated and that he gained access three times, including once in January 1999 when a fellow lab employee let him in."

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Yeah he's innocent allright.

P.S. Maruchu - I did not post the original links because they were from the Oakland Tribune and they are full of pop up ads.
http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Storie...196182,00.html

Hmmmm this one has been cut. It was the original article.
http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Storie...192170,00.html

Republicans Spies Terrorists liars

Now when Google comes by everything will be fair. :D

Hmm, if true about this guy being the only one denied a wire tap. That could speak words to all the conspiracy guys out there. Perhaps someone knew certain people in the administration would apear on tape. Who knows, just thought I would toss that out. ;)

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Originally posted here by RoadClosed
Hmm, if true about this guy being the only one denied a wire tap. That could speak words to all the conspiracy guys out there. Perhaps someone knew certain people in the administration would apear on tape. Who knows, just thought I would toss that out. ;)

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Between these two links, you should be able to make the correlation.
http://www.uscourts.gov/wiretap00/table700.pdf21
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2000_rpt/specter.html

Hmm, bottom line is tapes are missing and this guy could very well have gotten away with it and let the "cat out of the bag" He's like O.J. Simpson.

Overduespy after reading your links (the second one didnt work for me ) it sounds more like he was working with the CIA. He was being investigated for nearly 20 years by the DOE and the FBI and they still couldnt get a conviction. Either he was a very good spy or the keystones cops were brought out of retirement to run the investigation or there was a lot more going on behind the scences than is shown in the public documents.

roadclosed if it took that long to investigate him then he did let the cat out of the bag.

Common guys, remember the right dosn't belevin in freedom, or the constitution...every one is guilty unless they vote republican, civil rights are for weeklings, and to question them is treasonis

Even though the right are federalists and the left are jack booting Nazi's in waiting - he's still a spy. And if he's not who cares, he brought enough attention to himself and plead quilty to some things. Spies R Us, that guy.

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Common guys, remember the right dosn't belevin in freedom, or the constitution...every one is guilty unless they vote republican, civil rights are for weeklings, and to question them is treasonis

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....thats not true. Remember what i've told you a couple of posts back? Think before you talk? mkay? bye bye.

Come of it cyberd.,,,was he convicted of spying, what ever happend to our constatutionaly garenteed rights...you remember the constitution, its taht document that you keep trying to crap all over.....you see unlike your facist fantisy land we are innocent until proven guility in a court of law.

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Come of it cyberd.,,,was he convicted of spying, what ever happend to our constatutionaly garenteed rights...you remember the constitution, its taht document that you keep trying to crap all over.....you see unlike your facist fantisy land we are innocent until proven guility in a court of law.

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For christ's sake, use the freegin spell check. An error or two ok...but jesus...I can barely understand your typing sometimes.

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Lee pleaded guilty to a single felony of using an unclassified, unsecure computer to download "information related to the national defense."

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ok bballad, please tell me your defenition of innocent? Quite frankly he doesn't seem very innocent to me. He was innocent until he was proven guilty...what part of that don't you understand?

BTW, I dont crap all over the constitution...nor do I own the document, but I wouldn't crap on it anyways.

My Fantasy "facist" fantasy is a place ruled by people with common sense. I'm guessing yours is a world ruled by democrats which, quite often are showing extreme lack of common sense.

so how dose downloading info on an unseured computer (according to my buddies out at oakridge this happens a lot with the scientists, there biggist IS headach.) equal trator? the guy never commeited treason, he is not a trator this was established in court....thats how things like laws work

sigh....I give up...I'll let someone else explain this to you if they actually want to bother.

Peace