Once again, presumtious ppl

Okay I have a freaking bone to pick once again about the subject of completely assuming intentions when there was no basis of the assumption.

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=259171


This is the thread in question. Now lets have a look @ it.....


In his post, sunnyboy83 ask a question about something he read and couldn't quite understand how it worked or even how. Now I agree that things like this can be googled and this is "understood" as a forum in which basic computer/network/security knowledge is required by the people who post here for feedback. But several of you assumed that he was trying to do something he was not.

Quote:

---

And the purpose of your question is?

---

This was posted by Und3rtak3r and was a very fitting question for the thread. He asked why the information was needed. And why, because this guy cleary did not reveal his purpose ONE WAY OR THE OTHER .


And sunnyboy83 reply?

Quote:

---

Purpose??Im just learning new things.

---

I belive that is the purpose of this site is to gain and share knowledge.

Or, wait. This is a popularity contest for some......sorry. I forgot.

Quote:

---

Bad correlation, but Its one thing to learn...and its one thing to learn how to do malicious things. Tell u what, start learning about security, not how to crack, and you'll be able to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Ok, once you got the individual's IP then what? You're going to ask us how you can install a backdoor on his computer?

---

Cyb1d here asked the reaon why but, come the **** on man, kinda rude don't you think. And once again there is the assumption that this is cracking. And while the tut or whatever he got the info from was cleary intending to lead into malicious means, I am betting by the grammer and spelling on sunnyboy83's post that he is kinda young.

I don't know about all of you but I didn't have the ****ing money to spend on certs at that age. I got whatever information I could from anywhere and the hell with sources.

Quote:

---

No.. but you have answered my question..
see I asked what your purpose was ..that is where you wanted to go with the information.. this then helps with the reply..
Your answer Implies S.E..

---

Did u read something I didn't cyb1d? Do seniors get the site-benfiet of auto-skiddie-post-detector?

Quote:

---

Purpose??Im just learning new things.

---

Because I don't care how the **** you interpet that, that does not divulge anything than a desire to understand. And you reply will be, " Well he didn't give a reason why, just a basic answer that implies nothing"

So you never learned anything in your life that you just was curious about? Everything you learned you had a specific reason for right then?


This **** is just ****ing sad.......
Grow the **** up.


hjack

what are you...his personal bitch? My presumtions come from experience...I dont pull them out of my ass.

He's asking how come he is not able to get the IP address...through an IM program.....lets say AIM or MSN....

Anyways, I do not see how his request aimed at anything productive, or non-malicious for that matter.

After my "presumtions" I did tell him what he's supposed to do to get the IP, and gave him a fit advice...up to him to take it or not.

Cheers.


BTW, when I said bad correlation, i was refering to my statement right above that paragraph, about learning the difference in size of the wound.

Quote:

---

Did u read something I didn't cyb1d? Do seniors get the site-benfiet of auto-skiddie-post-detector?

---

Yes, its called "AFTER SPENDING ENOUGHT TIME HERE YOU CAN SMELL BULLSHIT FROM 100 FEET AWAY MUCH EASIER" :D :rolleyes:

Okay, explain what the **** it is aimed @ then. While he does mention aim, why couldn't he use this for something else?

Example, you notice something funny on your box. You netstat. Wait what is this foreign connection? Further invesigating, its a backdoor. Removed. While he does not say that he wants to use for this reason, the info gathered from a answer to his question could lead to other information that could be useful.

You expierence does not justify you assumption. with no FREAKING BASIS, that he is a skiddie.

Also, the typical response on here is freaking lame to skiddies. Wouldn't it make more sense to take the time to re-direct his intentions to something for construtive. The skiddie you flame today, could be the one to root you tomorrow. Why not re-direct his energies?

hjack

Quote:

---

Okay, explain what the **** it is aimed @ then

---

Relax, its not good for your blood pressure.

Quote:

---

Example, you notice something funny on your box. You netstat. Wait what is this foreign connection? Further invesigating, its a backdoor. Removed. While he does not say that he wants to use for this reason, the info gathered from a answer to his question could lead to other information that could be useful.

---

Fair enough, but I didn't see any sign of that in his post. The only flag I got was "I want to find my buddy's IP address through AIM".

Yes I was an ass...i admit to that, although not an excuse, i'm having a very shitty day.

Quote:

---

Also, the typical response on here is freaking lame to skiddies. Wouldn't it make more sense to take the time to re-direct his intentions to something for construtive. The skiddie you flame today, could be the one to root you tomorrow. Why not re-direct his energies?

---

and that is exactly what I did by:

Quote:

---

Tell u what, start learning about security, not how to crack, and you'll be able to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

---

Once again I assumed he was going to use it for cracking....and I was hoping he'd change his ways if he listened to my advice. I started out the same way...then I found AO, but i'm not gonna get into a cheesy "AWAKENING". :)

Cheers

Cybrid > your posts this morning have been a bit over the top. As I stated in the ap's i sent your way, there are ways of saying 'no i won't help you' without sounding like a complete jackass.

<Negative>You may also want to read the AUP</Negative>
"You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harrass, threaten, nor attack anyone.

You will not use profanity in our forums, and will neither post with language or content that is obscene, sexually oriented, or sexually suggestive nor link to sites that contain such content."

Und3ertak3r handled the question well. We'd all be better off if we tried to follow his example.

I should have hidden my second post, I will go back and change that.

As for the neg ap's I really think that was un-called for (not for me but cybr1d). This was a discussion. No need to get "Popularity Points" involved.

And that was all I was asking is that we all take the time to either,1. Make sure of intentions, 2. Re-direct them, if the intentions are skiddie in nature, to something else. 3. If you have to be rude, just don't post.

And I know that I should follow my last advice a little better.

Quote:

---

As for the neg ap's I really think that was un-called for (not for me but cybr1d). This was a discussion. No need to get "Popularity Points" involved.

---

Its all good, I earned the negs...I dont mind :)

Quote:

---

You will not use profanity in our forums, and will neither post with language or content that is obscene, sexually oriented, or sexually suggestive nor link to sites that contain such content."

---

Although that rule is there, very few members obey it. Let me rephrase myself, very few of the younger members obey it. Just an observation ;)

Quote:

---

Und3ertak3r handled the question well. We'd all be better off if we tried to follow his example

---

He did, Kudos to him.

Quote:

---

Yes, its called "AFTER SPENDING ENOUGHT TIME HERE YOU CAN SMELL BULLSHIT FROM 100 FEET AWAY MUCH EASIER"

---

Heh, gotta agree here. This is true, although sometimes instinct get's the better of people (as it did).

Quote:

---

Let me rephrase myself, very few of the younger members obey it. Just an observation

---

That is not true. I know quite a bit of senior's/addict's (as well as myself) that sometime's let those swear word's slip. I apologize in advance if I do, but it's a habit (and a bad one at that).

Quote:

---

That is not true. I know quite a bit of senior's/addict's (as well as myself) that sometime's let those swear word's slip. I apologize in advance if I do, but it's a habit (and a bad one at that).

---

LOL yes it is true :)....your statement is true as well. I am simply implying that we younger members are more prone to swear. ;)

Quote:

---

I am simply implying that we younger members are more prone to swear.

---

Ahh, I misinterpreted you. I thought by younger you meant Newbie's/Junior member's, not age. And us "middle-aged" people swear sometime's too, so bah! :D

Compared to the profiles on some of you on this forum, I'm positively ancient.

And I swear F**k*ng loads :eek:

As for shitty days, we all get them, learn to kick back, and take a chill pill. :cool:

Or just drink till you it all makes perfect sense.
When (suprisingly) not one person will be able to understand a damn word you say :drink:

Quote:

---

Or just drink till you it all makes perfect sense

---

I wish...working 10-10 every day for the past 2 months.

hjack > afaik, what I used the 'popularity points' for is what the system was meant for.

And as far as it goes with the AUP and swearing, I really don't care about either. There has been a big push recently for people and their postings to live by the AUP and a few bannings. I've even seen people arguing about our 'underaged users' and 'being offended'. If they're going to hold it up then I'd like to see it done evenly. I'll gladly give up calling certain people f**ktards if that happens.

On a related note I kind of wonder about the language being prohibited in the AUP, but when you hide your posts there is a message about the language being 'less than family friendly'. It kind of makes it sound like as long as you hide it, then it's ok. Kind of odd.....

Quote:

---

And as far as it goes with the AUP and swearing, I really don't care about either. There has been a big push recently for people and their postings to live by the AUP and a few bannings.

---

Yeah, I noticed that too. With that whole "avatar ordeal", member's are now being a little more iffy about being sure they comply with the AUP. I swear and it's a habit. I try to limit it, but it'll happen. I doubt I'll be banned for merely swearing every so often (and if I do, shame on JUPM) but hey.

Quote:

---

It kind of makes it sound like as long as you hide it, then it's ok.

---

I agree, but I guess they just wanna try to censor it? Dunno.. They wanna make sure that the people who advertise on here aren't advertising on a site that promotes swearing (I think?).

Generally, that part of the AUP isn't strictly enforced. Nobody's going to complain if from time to time you swear. If it's really getting out of hand, you'll probably get a PM asking you to hide the post. Sometimes, a "younger" member will report a post because of a flood in cuss words, and I generally try to handle it with a PM asking to make the post hidden. If the post isn't on the front page or isn't on the first page of a forum anymore, I'll usually let it slip.

The majority of users are understanding, and don't make a big deal out of it.
But sometimes there are members who not only refuse to comply, but make matters even worse.
If you're asked nicely to hide a post of yours, you have two options:
- You're understanding, don't make a big deal out of it, and hide your post.
- You don't agree, and refuse. If you give me a good enough reason, I'll probably be inclined to let it slip.

If you don't agree AND make things even worse, that's when there is a problem. If you're asked to edit a post by deleting some cuss words and you refuse AND on top of that you add 20 cuss words, raise the font size and tell me to get lost or whatever, that's when I'll refer to that dreaded AUP and enforce it. Call it my stick behind the door. And that's exactly what happened with the last series of banning (although I wasn't the one enforcing it this time)...

Thanks for the clarification.

Quote:

---

f**ktards

---

HEYYYY THATS MY WORD! :D....no really, lol...I use it quite often when i'm playing CS...dealing with newbs calling experts "hacker".

Anyways back to the point:

I have cussed in the past and prolly will continue to, but never to the extent to where it becomes a problem. There's a quota for everything...lets say, there's no need whatsoever to say something such as

Quote:

---

you BLEEP don't know BLEEP so go BLEEP yourself you BLEEP, i'll BLEEP kill you motherBLEEP, talk to me like that again and I swear to BLEEP god i'll BLEEP beat you so bad not even your BLEEP mother will recognize your BLEEP up face"

---

....not that i've ever seen anyone reach that extent of swearing without being drunk...or something.

my 2 cent.

Quote:

---

If it's really getting out of hand, you'll probably get a PM asking you to hide the post.

---

JupM has had alot of problems with me. They tell you that you get a warning PM but that is a god damn lie.

Quote:

---

Also, the typical response on here is freaking lame to skiddies. Wouldn't it make more sense to take the time to re-direct his intentions to something for construtive. The skiddie you flame today, could be the one to root you tomorrow. Why not re-direct his energies?

---

Maybe someone over reacted towards a post that was really dumb but I couldn't give two shits about what others think. To hell with entertaining a bunch of chumps. And no that wouldn't make much sense... if peaple want something "construtive" done what ever that is... then they'd just do it or better yet have already done it.

Besides look around you. As an example look at what happends when peaple tell me what I should or should not do. And look at what dandy rays of mother ****ing sun shine I am all god damned day :mad:.

Not only do I get shitty days, but now The Specialist is dumping on me :eek:

And for Cybr1d: I was earning $70000 per annum, now on $25000. new job in IT.
BUT; I feel SO much better now than before.
Old job was 3 shift around the clock, call outs AND overtime, meaning I was out EVERY W/End.

Life is too short, take a rain check, smell the roses (add your own cliche' here)

Hjack: Don't sweat it fella, everything is in balance.
Although with a 2 year old daughter, and my wife in a psych unit for post natal depression, I am having to look REAALY deep for the balance / fairness of it all.

I say again: Beer is a wonderful invention, I was thinking of looking up the person who invented it, to see what he is working on now :D

I will add this 'joke', I find that it is a positive influence on the way I need to live:

Is There Room for GOLF BALLS??

A professor stood before his Philosophy 101 class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly, he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full? They agreed that it was. So the professor then picked up a box off pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles, of course, rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was.

The professor picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. He then asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous--yes.

The professor then produced two cans of beer from under the table and proceeded to pour the entire contents into the jar effectively filling the empty space between the sand.

The students laughed. "Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf balls are the important things--your walk with GOD, your family, your partner, your health, your children, your friends, your favourite passions--things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full."

"The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else--the small stuff." "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for your life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out dancing. Play another 18. There will always be time to go to work, clean the house, give a dinner party and fix the disposal." "Take care of the golf balls first --the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand."

One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the beer represented.

The professor smiled. "I'm glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there's always room for a couple of beers.

Quote:

---

Originally posted here by TheSpecialist
JupM has had alot of problems with me. They tell you that you get a warning PM but that is a BLEEP BLEEP lie.

Maybe someone over reacted towards a post that was really dumb but I couldn't give two BLEEP(s) about what others think. To BLEEP with entertaining a bunch of chumps.

Besides look around you. As an example look at what happends when peaple tell me what I should or should not do. And look at what dandy rays of BLEEP BLEEP sun shine I am all BLEEP BLEEP day :mad:.

---

Remarkably similar to Cybr1d's demonstration of what would constitute an extreme case of swearing that's almost *never* seen....and in a thread where there's talk of how there shouldn't be any swearing. ROFL! That is awesome . Bad day, TheSpecialist? I especially like this part: "dandy rays of BLEEP BLEEP sunshine" :p

Bad year is more like it. He's just grouchy.



He's always in a poopy mood.

well the word Mother shouldn't be censored :) so that takes out a couple of BLEEPS, but hey...who's counting?....besides, he hid his post ;)

Could someone tell me why hjack got greened for this? It's shiite (not the religion)..

I'm guessing he got negged, then someone who felt sorry for him greened him, and others followed suit?

And the correct spelling is "presumptuous"

Now please neg me for this post.

:cool:

Quote:

---

Originally posted here by mjk
Could someone tell me why hjack got greened for this? It's shiite (not the religion)..

I'm guessing he got negged, then someone who felt sorry for him greened him, and others followed suit?

And the correct spelling is "presumptuous"

Now please neg me for this post.

:cool:

---

You know I almost did neg you for this post.....not because your post deserved them (?) but because you asked for some one to (and because your whining about AP's -- ones some one else is getting).

You should know by now that AP's among seniors is mostly a popularity thingy and AP's among the newbies are for excellence in answers. To anyone who has been here very long and amassed a fair amount of AP's alot of AP assignments are really just comments that the poster doesn't want to put in the thread itself.

AP's will always be given for personal reasons as long as they are here to use. The only way I can think of to have them given out for just the quality of posts, is to build a true A.I. and have it give them out. As long as humans have any control over them they will be used for personal reasons.

Quote:

---

alot of AP assignments are really just comments that the poster doesn't want to put in the thread itself.

---

:eek: That's exactly how I feel about them. Half the time they are just people agreeing with my post or something that has to do with the thread, but they seldom post it. moxnix, you really hit the nail on the spot with that.

Quote:

---

AP's will always be given for personal reasons as long as they are here to use. The only way I can think of to have them given out for just the quality of posts, is to build a true A.I. and have it give them out. As long as humans have any control over them they will be used for personal reasons.

---

Yeh, well all system's have it's flaw's. Even the great and mighty linux has it's flaw's.

In case somebody was wondering how mjk got *greened* instead of negged as he asked (and probably deserved)....I did it b/c I figured this was the *only* time I'd ever be able to piss someone off by giving them greenies, lol :p

Moxnix describes my motivation for using antipoints perfectly. Especially since I don't pack much of a punch, I just consider it a way to quickly give a comment most of the time...the "positive" or "negative" just kinda reinforces how I felt about the post whenever I gave the comment.

Moxnix, I couldn't agree with you more... I'll admit that I do have a tendency to whine about APs... I guess I shouldn't care so much about it...

/me goes off to hoard his antipoints

Oh and about the asking for negs, I just did that to see how people would react :) That's another tendency I have, to do something sort of weird and see what other people do

As for why I had recived posistive AP's for this post, it was not actually because of someone who negged me and someone else who "felt bad" assigning. The positives actually come from someone who has been a member here for a while and has easily contributed quite a lot to this forum.

As for the AP's in general.

Screw em.

I have been here for almost 2 years. In my 2 years I have less than 250 post. One of my comments in this thread was the fact that this was a discussion in which AP's did not belong.

MJK made some assumptions (which is kinda ironic considering the thread subject) and assigned some negatives to try to balance out the post. Well considering that your negs took less that 1/4 of the pos's assigned to me, your opinion, based on the fact the weight of AP's are measured in the amount u have required, is less than the one who assigned it.

Not to mention.

You an ass. You come into this thread, make a post about nothing to do with the subject, contribute nothing to the subject besides your immature fascination with AP's, post about it, then leave. I can see you cleary a valuable member here.

This wouldn't have bothered me much if you just had assigned AP's on my inability to double check my spelling.

All in all mjk, this post was just to tell you that your an ass and yes I could have done this through AP's (much like you) or PM's......


but just wanted to share my feelings.

Have a nice day,
hjack

:D