Hi guys,
Is it possible for the isp provider or network admintrator to keep track of files sent by p2p? Or by Yahoo messenger? insomuch that they could specify the extension / size of the file?
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Hi guys,
Is it possible for the isp provider or network admintrator to keep track of files sent by p2p? Or by Yahoo messenger? insomuch that they could specify the extension / size of the file?
I'm pretty sure they couldn't keep track really, depending on the ISP and how they work. If they did, then they must have some spyware involved in it's service or something. And if so, I doubt they'd be able to specify the size of the file.
Its a company provided dsl for the whole camp. So can you give me a scenario or condition so an admintrator could track it?
Thanks spider!
Can YOU give us the scenario or condition that requires you to NEED this info ?
Sure, I understand that its sound suspicious. So here it is:
This is Saudi Arabia, any file short of having 'girl','sex','cross','christ','pic', etc, etc. Tends to attract attention. Now, since I would rather much stay here I don't want to 'piss' (for want of a better word I assure you) the adminstrator and get sent back home.
I am an overseas worker, and no I am not muslim.
I hope this clears me.
yes and no. If a network admin notices a lot of bandwidth being used from a machine (if he's monitoring) then he'll get suspicious and probably keep an eye on you. Doesn't Yahoo messenger save teh files its own folder? As for P2P, they are saved in the shared folder. Even if you delete them...if someone really wanted to dig, they can recover them.
An ISP is unlikely to monitor downloads...but a network admin might notice.
Okay, So I am at my home pc and connect via dsl modem to the company ISP provider and IF there is a lot bandwith say how much bandwith would that be the admin is going to get suspicious? The firewall this company using is so intense, that pips can't upload from me. So I practically have about say less 10 KB per second getting through.
I am probably babling already, but is there a way for me to keep my files to myself more securely? You mentioned the shared folders, what if I 'secure' it the normal ways, (PASS, HIDE FOLDER) will that help?
But I would really like to know is if pips can know what kind of file I am downloading the moment I iniate it.
Thanks
Not likely, but I'm not sure of the laws and security procedures in Saudi Arabia, so I wouldn't have a definite answer for you. You could try visiting just one porn site, open the pictures instead of downloading and saving them to yoru computer, and clean history/temp internet files. Again, it depends if someone is actually going through the logs and monitoring what sites people are visiting.Quote:
But I would really like to know is if pips can know what kind of file I am downloading the moment I iniate it.
Uh no, I'm sure about that since I work in the networking department, I review requests of people who wants web bages unblocked/blocked. Note I just reveiw them I don't do the actual blocking. Though most of them are automatically blocked anyway by 'websense', but for those pips who did got through they ended up going home.
I actually think that I am safe, but since its my job and all I can't help being paranoid.
Thank you very much though, this is my first thread, and although I am still not sure whether p2p here is safe or not, you guys gave me a some ideas.
So if you guys have any more information about this I would greatly appreciate it.
thanks again!
ISPs certainly could block this (see this link for CISCO pix ruleset or type "blocking P2P downloads"). It's not unusual for ISPs to notice things like download amounts and disconnect/prevent users from downloading. Blocking based on the name is a fruitless task since the file can be renamed.
That said, I would suspect that Saudi Arabia might have some specific laws but sometimes "foreign" workers are not included in those laws.
One way to get around it (note: I'm not recommending you circumvent it as you might find yourself in deeper trouble -- you might want to ask what exactly the laws are in regards to this kind of stuff) would be to do an SSH tunnel and have the traffic downloaded that way.
That's a third party tool right sshl tunnel? I'm sorry I don't rightly know. I should read up first about this.
With my observation though, most of the competent security officers left the country 'cause of the 'incidents' here. So administration is left to people with less than a year of experience. But I am quite sure that the software/hardware is solid, since the government here doesn't really care for expense. So it is left to the machines to 'spy' on the traffic.
Can you please give me a small description of this ssh tunneling?
Google has always been my resource for finding out things. Basically, you connect to an SSH server and then through that connection, launch the application. I'll give you a simple example.
My school doesn't allow IRC connections. So to connect to the Unerror.com irc servers, I ssh to my server at home and use the BitchX client there. Another example is when I want to ensure that my security students don't pick up on my password when logging into websites that do not have encryption for their logins. I'll ssh to my work server and launch mozilla from the server. With XWindows forwarded, I can now ensure that the connection is encrypted in the LAN area.
In your case I'd look for an SSH server outside of the Saudi ISP range (say in the US or Europe).
MsMitten's: Are you recommending one that doesn't belong to him, or..? I'm a little confused on what your suggesting when you said:
In either sense, I use SSH tunneling almost daily. And like MsM, I'm not allowed on a "chat device" at work (mine being AIM). So I SSH to my naim client at home on my OpenBSD box and I'm good :).Quote:
In your case I'd look for an SSH server outside of the Saudi ISP range (say in the US or Europe).
No. One that he has legit access to but isn't hosted by a Saudi ISP.Quote:
Are you recommending one that doesn't belong to him, or..?
I read about ssh, and I am now aware of its capabilities, though I can't readily use one. I have downloaded putty, which says provided tunneling.
I know next to nothing about using it though. Concerning the host name is that the ISP provider or 'proxy server' that's supposed to be keyed in? If then where do I get these servers?
Thanks
I have spent time(and still go on vacations) to a not so distant place from Saudi-Arabia. Where the rules almost match regarding pornography and explicit content.
The ISP's mainly dont log(or block) P2P traffic. Only http is their main concern. Everybody uses P2P as they see fit for their needs there. You can use P2P without any fear. Everyone does. Although excessive usage on your part might alaram the admin and he could chose to look into the matter. But it's always safer to not-use anything that can be tracked. Use encrypted traffic, ssh tunneling, encrypted VPN, JAP(No flame please) or any other means of secure transfers.
Side-Note: Most people use proxies on uncommon ports to bypass certain ISP bans on pornography. That is highly advised against to you because of severe http scrutiny by the officials, or those who bring in effect the rules.
Thanks,
curious though if you were the network administrator, what kind of network traffic would make you suspicious?
I have to have it in kb or mb for me to better understand.
But anyway you're answer/advice probably answered my question altogether anyway and for that I thank you.
Thanks guys!!(points to pips above this post) :D