NUKES...too good to be true

or just maybe it isn't

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...1009-2541r.htm

Nuclear arms reportedly found in Iraq

Baghdad, Iraq, Jul. 21 (UPI) -- Iraqi security reportedly discovered three missiles carrying nuclear heads concealed in a concrete trench northwest of Baghdad, official sources said Wednesday.

The official daily al-Sabah quoted the sources as saying the missiles were discovered in trenches near the city of Tikrit, the hometown of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

"The three missiles were discovered by chance when the Iraqi security forces captured former Baath party official Khoder al-Douri who revealed during interrogation the location of the missiles saying they carried nuclear heads," the sources said.

They pointed out that the missiles were actually discovered in the trenches lying under six meters of concrete and designed in a way to unable sophisticated sensors from discovering nuclear radiation.

The sources said al-Douri, who is related to former Vice Chairman of the Iraq Revolution Council and Saddam's right-hand man Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, was captured after Iraqi police intercepted an e-mail message in which he set a meeting with another former Baath official.

The report could not be authenticated by the interior ministry or the national security department, but the paper noted Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiar Zibari made a surprise request recently to Mohammed el-Baradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, to resume inspections for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Common Sense says. If you have a basketball on your desk, and then it's gone it was moved off the desk, put in a drawer, stuffed in the bathroom or hidden under the desk. Even if it is burned to ashes, there are still ashes or in case of WMD; by-products of the destruction process that must be accounted for, if all the above just disappears then it has to be someplace. It wasn’t stuffed into a wormhole. It is shocking though; I thought they were all gone and in the hands of other “doers” of destruction. (assuming this is true).

Oh wait I forgot the republicans planted it there under all that concrete and brain washed the guy into believing he was part of the team that covered it up months and years ago. And no one that worked for Clinton would ever stuff papers in his pants and hide things from the exulted 9/11 commission.

Too good to be true? I never needed justification other than "opportunity" but it would make a better case on the world political market if it was true, perhaps even give the United States the fuel to take on more strong-holds of world terrorism, versus cowering and hoping they leave us alone like many of our collective and supposed "allies" until an entire city is destroyed and they succeed in tearing down world treaties with the United States, like they would stop there and NOT pick a new target.

But alas it looks like it's not going to be confirmed yet or ever?

and the poles found 17 warheads filled with sarin, the poles tested it and confirmed it to be sarin but a 'multi-national' committee says its not....hmmmm! maybe the chemical was just pesticide in preparation for the upcoming war against the approaching locust swarms. i know in my neck of the woods we alway use 155mm bug spray.

I wish they would get the politics out of this, and just do their jobs.

This is very similar to the O.J. trial. There is so much hype and political manuverings that it will be impossible to ever get at the real truth.

The way our political climate controls the media ( and I mean both parties), these missles could have been found a year or two ago. It seems that alot of things are found just in time to use to a political advantage ( and yes I am including both parties in this).

And just because some thing is found by nonAmericans doesn't measn any thing with the financial influence of both parties nowdays.

The great American circus -- 'Politics'.

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackage...2&section=news

To quote the iraq interior minister "This is stupid" a small iraq paper ran this story with no evedence and it gets pushed as proof....hell our military is saying its doubtful that the reports are true...next time if you have a "news" peice from the moonie tabloid getsome colaberation before you beleive it.

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To quote the iraq interior minister "This is stupid" a small iraq paper ran this story with no evedence and it gets pushed as proof....hell our military is saying its doubtful that the reports are true...next time if you have a "news" peice from the moonie tabloid getsome colaberation before you beleive it.

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stop being such an ass. i read that and more before i posted. this is the title of the thread:

"NUKES...too good to be true

or just maybe it isn't"

time will tell of course. but it is rather co-incidental that the International Atomic Energy Agency is returning to Iraq. it seems we're both hopeful but for reasons that are diametrically opposed. i know i have it wrong, im hopefull and your correct.

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"Nothing's been found. The report is not factual," said Master Sgt. Robert Cowens, a spokesman for the 1st Infantry Division, based in Tikrit.

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I am glad that the "Voice of America" is in such senior hands..............not even a Lieutenant, junior grade?..................although, to be honest I would always trust one of my NCOs over a Lieutenant General, idiot grade :D .............hell, your NCO might have similar ambitions of longevity?

:cool:

I always try to think of the Washington Times as a "moonie tabloid"

Heh, its not often a Master Sgt will be making spokesman roles like that. Woot for SNCO's

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Woot for SNCO's

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If anyone is going to get you out alive, he will................me, I was the most dangerous thing on a battlefield.............

a "rupert" with a map

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stop being such an ass. i read that and more before i posted. this is the title of the thread:

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lol, and my post also had a link to the opposing news article. Wahington times is a moonie tabloid? I thought they were all falling over one another to be on the antibush side? :)

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...k_b.guest.html

Now, one of the Iraqi internal security guys says that this is a "stupid report." Well, here's the thing about this, folks. So we have this report from UPI that three missiles carrying nuclear heads concealed in a concrete trench have been discovered near Tikrit. We got the security guy saying, "That's stupid. That isn't true." Now, I can understand wantin' to go keep this quiet, (laughing) if they discovered live nuclear missiles, you know, laying around in trenches in Tikrit. But the real question, ladies and gentlemen, is not did we find nuclear missiles in Iraq. That is to miss the point. As is it the case with the Sandy Berger investigation, the question is "the timing of the leak." The question here is, "How old are these nukes? Could they be remnants from Hitler, from World War II? Could they be prior to the Gulf War of '91? Could these nuclear weapons have been there before we went to war in 2003?" And really, it's only three, just three nuclear missiles, so I don't know what the hubbub is about.

So, they're nukes. It's just three of them, and they may be old, Mr. Snerdley. You are focusing on the wrong aspect of the story. The focus is not that we have found some nuclear weapons in Iraq, or that it's reported. The interest is, "How did we do it?" Who leaked the information the stuff was there to be found? How old are these nukes, and whose are they? If you don't learn to look at it the way this is going to be portrayed in the press -- in fact, I'm not aware that anybody besides UPI has reported this and even picked up on this, because if this is true, heh, heh, heh. Joe Wilson, anybody? If this is true, I mean, Fahrenheit 9/11, anybody? (Laughing.) So we just have to keep a sharp eye on this, but until we know if it's true, we're going to look at it in the approved way, and that is, "So what? It's just three, and they could have been there a long time."

Actually, I would be more concerned with where they came from. The did not have (or ever have) the technology to preduce either the nukes or the missles to carry them. Which means some one sold them the complete missle package.

Who, what type, what is the range, what is the power of the nukes are the first questions that come to my mind.

I am not as confident as you Moxnix. There has been weapons grade plutonium found under reactor complexes. No one has confirmed anything with any certainty but the question remains open and they do find the stuff. We know soviet guidance devices were intercepted. How many made it through? We know he has scud missile launchers, he bombed the sheet out of Isreal already so he has (had) the ability to piece something together. But don't get me wrong, I too ask "where did these things come from" and does Iran use the same dealer? How many are out there. How long before Bethleham is BLOWN off the face of the Earth by a bomb in a push pram? What if Cells in the United States have devices buried under concrete to elude routine anlaysis by security personal? I have heard off record comments circulating radical media that states perhaps 5 or 6 could exist. In my opinion the only reason we haven't had an explosion is the strict non-proliferation of technology. But eventually these people with radical ideals will develope opportunity to destroy on a mass scale. Why take out a bus of Isreali school children when you can eliminate their parents and bloodline as well?

Now if real nukes were found, the official stance would be "they don't exist" until the area is secured. So we have to wait....