unfit for command?

BOOK CLAIMS KERRY WAR 'FABRICATIONS'


A veterans group seeking to deeply discredit Democrat John Kerry's military service will charge in the new bombshell book UNFIT FOR COMMAND:


Two of John Kerry's three Purple Heart decorations resulted from self-inflicted wounds, not suffered under enemy fire.


All three of Kerry's Purple Hearts were for minor injuries, not requiring a single hour of hospitalization.


A "fanny wound" was the highlight of Kerry's much touted "no man left behind" Bronze Star.


Kerry turned the tragic death of a father and small child in a Vietnamese fishing boat into an act of "heroism" by filing a false report on the incident.


Kerry entered an abandoned Vietnamese village and slaughtered the domestic animals owned by the civilians and burned down their homes with his Zippo lighter.


Kerry's reckless behavior convinced his colleagues that he had to go -- becoming the only Swift Boat veteran to serve only four months.

The Kerry campaign is planning to vigorously counter the charges and will accuse the veteran's groups of being well-financed by a top Bush donor from Texas, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"They hired a goddamn private investigator to dig up trash!" charged a top Kerry adviser traveling with the senator late Tuesday. "This is pay for play, and the dirtiest of all dirty tricks ever played on a candidate for the presidency. How low can they go?"

Kerry supporters are comparing the effort by the veterans to the Arkansas State troopers tell-all against Bill Clinton.

UNFIT FOR COMMAND will not be released until August 15.

The names. The details. All on the record.

Beginning tomorrow, the DRUDGE REPORT will break the embargo.

http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd.htm

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Kerry supporters are comparing the effort by the veterans to the Arkansas State troopers tell-all against Bill Clinton.

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Oooooh, now that just ticks me off to no end! I had family (both parents) directly involved in that Arkansas State Police tell-all, and let me assure you every bit of that tell-all was true. I have Clinton to thank personally for screwing up a few years of my life because of that. You think Clinton was dirty as President, you should've seen him as our governor. He was the worst of the worst, and what he did far, far outweighted any Lewinsky scandals.

Well, my respect for Kerry just dropped a few notches!

Just another Republican lapdog... ;)

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.pht...E._O'Neill

and

http://archive.salon.com/opinion/con...ll/index1.html (You can sign up for a free day pass - no email required)

i notice both articles (salons i didn't follow the members link) attack o'neil and point to older mud he has slung but dont deney anything said in the book or even the older mud. its dirt throwing no doubt. but kerry opened himself up for it when he started showing his films of nam.

id also like to point out that bush isnt responsible for the writing of the book just like kerry isn't responsible for the investigation of gwb's guard service.

Hmmm,

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All three of Kerry's Purple Hearts were for minor injuries, not requiring a single hour of hospitalization.

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We give a court martial for those getting themselves injured in combat without good excuse............and a proper medal to the others?

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A "fanny wound" was the highlight of Kerry's much touted "no man left behind" Bronze Star.

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Does that mean that he has no testicles?..............AFAIK a "Bronze Star" is not a particularly high distinction?...........although it is awarded in a combat/hostilities situation?.............I think that would be "mentioned in dispatches" in our book?............possibly an Army Cross.

We have:

Victoria Cross (Congressional Medal of Honour)
Distinguished Service Order (Navy Cross........stuff like that)
Military Cross (Probably a Silver Star)

There are slightly different ones for the different services...........like Distinguished Flying Cross......I would have never got one of those as a grunt :D

Does what a man did in VietNam in the 1970's make him competent to run the most powerful nation on Earth in the 2000's?

Hey, WE RELY ON YOU GUYS.............and you have to elect the village idiot...........so please take a little care on behalf of us limeys?

GOOD LUCK and God bless you all

:D

Politics aside, I see a bunch of men who served with Kerry who collectively say (and not everyone he served with agrees) he's full of poopoo.

Victoria Cross? Is that in reference to the Queen of ole'?

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Victoria Cross? Is that in reference to the Queen of ole'?

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Yes it is. And a prerequisite for the award is that the recipient had to have had a 90% chance of being killed :eek:


http://www.victoriacross.net/default.asp
http://www.victoriacross.org.uk/vcross.htm

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The Victoria Cross is the highest decoration that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces.

The VC was instituted by Royal Warrant in 1856 but was made retrospective to the Autumn of 1854 to cover the period of the Crimean War. There have been several amending warrants since then.

The Victoria Cross has been bestowed 1354 times since 1854.
It can only be bestowed for actions "in the presence of the enemy" (although from 1858 to 1881 an amendment allowed for awards "under circumstances of extreme danger". Six awards were made under these conditions).

The first presentation was made in Hyde Park on 26 Jun 1857 where Queen Victoria decorated 62 officers and men for actions during the Crimean War.

Each VC is still made by the same London jewelers, Messrs Hancocks [now HANCOCKS & CO. (JEWELLERS) LTD - Established 1849, 1 Burlington Gardens, London W1X 2HP, U.K. Tel: (44) 20 7493 8904, Fax: (44) 20 7493 8905] from the bronze of Chinese cannons captured from the Russians at the siege of Sebastopol. However, the VC to GORLE was flouroscoped by the Tower of London and found to be fairly common Bronze which was was apparently the case for some crosses in WWI. From the RCL Corps Gazette October 1997 (page 358):

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You have to have real player BTW.

OverdueSpy if you could give a brief synopsis of it please. i really don’t want realplayer on my machine.

just went to the store and came back and on the radio (wabc) its being said that the lawyers for the dem party are sending threatening letters to the tv stations telling them not to air anything about "unfit for command".

free speech and viet nam vets! glad im not one of their lawyers

i will not buy the book (as it stands right now) its just more than i care to know about kerry's military record. it just stands as some more proof that john kerry is everything i thought he was

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lawyers for the dem party are sending threatening letters to the tv stations telling them not to air anything about "unfit for command".

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Yeah, I mean geez, it's not like this meets the superb quality of Farenheit 911!

*cough cough* Hypocritical jerks! *cough cough*

by chance have you been following this on drudge's site knight?

pittiful absolutly pittiful. the VC kerry shot which is part of his claim to fame :

"Kerry's boat moved slightly downstream and was struck by a rocket-propelled grenade. . . .A young Viet Cong in a loincloth popped out of a hole, clutching a grenade launcher, which may or may not have been loaded. . . Tom Belodeau, a forward gunner, shot the Viet Cong with an M-60 machine gun in the leg as he fled. . . . Kerry and Medeiros (who had many troops in their boat) took off, perhaps with others, and followed the young Viet Cong and shot him in the back, behind a lean to."

O'Neill concludes "Whether Kerry's dispatching of a fleeing, wounded, armed or unarmed teenage enemy was in accordance with the customs of war, it is very clear that many Vietnam veterans and most Swiftees do not consider this action to be the stuff of which medals of any kind are awarded; nor would it even be a good story if told in the cold details of reality. There is no indication that Kerry ever reported that the Viet Cong was wounded and fleeing when dispatched. Likewise, the citation simply ignores the presence of the soldiers and advisors who actually 'captured the enemy weapons' and routed the Viet Cong. . . . [and] that Kerry attacked a 'numerically superior force in the face of intense fire' is simply false. There was little or no fire after Kerry followed the plan. . . . The lone, wounded, fleeing young Viet Cong in a loincloth was hardly a force superior to the heavily armed Swift Boat and its crew and the soldiers carried aboard."

Even John McCain (Republican, and leader of Bush's campaign in Arizona) is calling this a bunch of crap.

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WASHINGTON (Aug. 5) -- Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service ''dishonest and dishonorable'' and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well.


Asked if the White House knew about the ad or helped find financing for it, McCain said, ''I hope not, but I don't know. But I think the Bush campaign should specifically condemn the ad.''

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The men who are behind these ads weren't even on Kerry's swiftboat, the ones who are in his previous ads talking about his loyalty and leadership capabilities were.

Link.

those who are talking about it are other swift boat commanders that were there

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Originally posted here by debwalin
Even John McCain (Republican, and leader of Bush's campaign in Arizona) is calling this a bunch of crap.

The men who are behind these ads weren't even on Kerry's swiftboat, the ones who are in his previous ads talking about his loyalty and leadership capabilities were.

Link.

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John McCain is going to criticize anyone who faults any military record. Make any sense?
I’m waiting for (D)Zell Miller to make his speech!
High-profile Dem Miller to address GOP

"It is unacceptable to nominate yourself for an award. It compromises the basic military principle that we survive together."

I don’t think you need a book to figure out why Kerry wanted three Purple Hearts. PDF’s on Kerry’s site leave out details about his Purple Heart awards.

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!mitationRust's quoted article

The speech by Miller, a former two-term governor, comes 12 years after he delivered the keynote address for Bill Clinton at the 1992 Democratic National Convention, also held in New York.
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In 2001, Miller had told a Georgia Democratic Party gathering that Kerry, the four-term Massachusetts senator and decorated Vietnam War veterans, was “an authentic” American hero who had worked to strengthen the military.

Miller’s recent book, “A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat,” is now a national best-seller. In it, he assails members of his own party, including Clinton.

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Flip-flopper?

"Commander Geoge Elliott, who wrote up the initial draft of Kerry's Silver Star citation, confirms that neither he, nor anyone else in the Silver Star process that he knows, realized before 1996 that Kerry was facing a single, wounded young Viet Cong fleeing in a loincloth.

http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd1.htm

if kerry hadn't tried to run for president he would have gotten away with this farce some already knew but it didn't directly affect them enough to take action until now.

Unfortunately one of the veterans for truth had a change of heart on his opinion about Kerry and apologized for saying Kerry did not deserve the silver star - The Boston Globe Reported.

Why unfortunately? The truth is coming out, I've never thought that to be a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the 13 men involved in this smear campaign were other soldiers (not commanders) on other swiftboats who don't know what happened that day. The men who were on Kerry's swiftboat do. Under scrutiny, this is going to fall apart, because it's too easy to disprove his story if Kerry is lying. Whether any of you want to admit it or not, Kerry is intelligent, and anyone with intelligence is going to tell you that if you start claiming things happened that didn't happen, it's going to come out, and do more damage than it did good in the first place. John McCain has stood against it, and now one of the men supporting the ad is standing against it. It's just going to continue to unravel now.

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Originally posted here by debwalin
Why unfortunately? The truth is coming out, I've never thought that to be a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the 13 men involved in this smear campaign were other soldiers (not commanders) on other swiftboats who don't know what happened that day. The men who were on Kerry's swiftboat do. Under scrutiny, this is going to fall apart, because it's too easy to disprove his story if Kerry is lying. Whether any of you want to admit it or not, Kerry is intelligent, and anyone with intelligence is going to tell you that if you start claiming things happened that didn't happen, it's going to come out, and do more damage than it did good in the first place. John McCain has stood against it, and now one of the men supporting the ad is standing against it. It's just going to continue to unravel now.

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"start claiming things" Like who he calls his "band of brothers."

George Bates
Thomas Heritage
Terrance Costello
Robert "Rocky" Hildreath
Robert Elder
William Houle
George Elliott
William Schumadine
Al French
Larry Thurlow
Jim Galvin

"These officers demand that Senator Kerry's campaign cease and desist from all uses of that photograph"


Haha, http://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/index.php is back up!

"It is unacceptable to nominate yourself for an award. It compromises the basic military principle that we survive together."

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Republican Sen. John McCain, a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called an ad criticizing John Kerry's military service ''dishonest and dishonorable'' and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well. .

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Why would the white house condemn the thoughts of private citizens who served with Kerry, some in the boat, some along the side his boat in their own craft? These aren't democrats and republicans looking "outside in", these are guys who were there and have their own version of what transpired. Even if these items were true it's not a big deal in one sense: He STILL came back after loving his war hero self, teamed up with people who condemned and vilified veterans doing the best they could, they didn't just speak out the made veterans feel unwanted and abandoned, then he threw his medals away, then said they weren't his, then said the WERE his, but ribbons, then entered the senate and continued to hold the flag and the military in contempt, then later decided the only way he could possibly win is to drape himself in the American flag and suddenly love the military. Bah.

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Why unfortunately? The truth is coming out, I've never thought that to be a bad thing. The fact of the matter is that the majority of the 13 men involved in this smear campaign were other soldiers (not commanders) on other swiftboats who don't know what happened that day. The men who were on Kerry's swiftboat do. Under scrutiny, this is going to fall apart, because it's too easy to disprove his story if Kerry is lying. Whether any of you want to admit it or not, Kerry is intelligent, and anyone with intelligence is going to tell you that if you start claiming things happened that didn't happen, it's going to come out, and do more damage than it did good in the first place. John McCain has stood against it, and now one of the men supporting the ad is standing against it. It's just going to continue to unravel now.

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Perhaps Unfortunately was the wrong wrong to use. Deb, I'm sorry but I don't see the importance that they weren't "officers", but just other soldiers who witnesses something. If Kerry did something wrong, does it really matter if the person that saw it was a soldier or an officer? BTW I never said he wasn't intelligent. If he wasn't intelligent he wouldn't have gone so far.

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.....and anyone with intelligence is going to tell you that if you start claiming things happened that didn't happen, it's going to come out, and do more damage than it did good in the first place.

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Ditto.

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ohn McCain has stood against it, and now one of the men supporting the ad is standing against it. It's just going to continue to unravel now.

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Lets sit back and watch :)

How does John MCain fit in here? Was he there along side the swiftboat veterans and John F. Kerry?

I just found it interesting that the leader of Bush's campaign in one of the states is condemning the ads. He doesn't buy it anymore than I do. It would be different if it were a Kerry supporter condemning the ads, but it's not. Well, I'm sure they are, but McCain speaks volumes more to me than Kerry supporters do.

interesting it is. but im sure hes jumping up and down screaming yes! yes! when no ones looking. its the party seperating the administration from the book.
im sure most republicans will come out against it after everyones seen the ad/read the book.

"John McCain has stood against it, and now one of the men supporting the ad is standing against it. It's just going to continue to unravel now."

the ad supporter you reffer to is capt. george elliot. what he said was he couldn't believe (or still doesn't believe) kerry shot the vc in the back. what he said was exagerated by the press so he (GE) released this affidavit (bottom half of page):

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...unfit_aff.html