Identity research

Hi everybody,


What possibilities are there - if I only got the name of a someone who has gone - to find out the address, bankdates, telephone etc. of this person?

It is really really important!! A lot of money has to be found... The first thing that came into my mind was doing whois research. With the outcome that that in the denic databese are only the old dates...
All I know is that this ****er is in Japan at the moment!!

THX 4 ALL Ur HELP!!!

Greets
KingZ


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the same in gErMan:

Hallo,

vor kurzen habe ich gehört das es möglich ist TelefonCds wie z.B. KlickTel o.Ä. auch rückwärts - mit Hilfe einiger Patches - zu verwenden um so dann über eine Telefonnummer an die Anschrift einer Person zu gelangen...

Was für Möglichkeiten bestehen denn wenn man von einer Person Vor- und Zunamen hat noch weitere sensible Daten (BLZ/KN etc.) über diese herauszufinden?? Ganz klar: wenn die Person ne homepage mit TLD hat einfach mal bei der DENIC nachgucken. Und dann? Viel mehr fällt mir da auch nich ein...

Bin für jede Anregung dankbar ;-)

THX schonma im voraus
und
Schäöne Grüße

First, I removed this portion from the title.

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- HOW DO I GET SENSITIVE INFORMATIONS FROM A NAME ONLY??

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Caps aren't necessarily needed.

Second, it's harder to get information from countries other than your own. Getting creative in searches and, in this case, understanding Japanese characters will probably make it easier.

Lastly, asking others to help you get private information on others is rather dangerous for those that might help you. Since we don't know why you want the information (other than to get money from them), it could suggest an illegal activity.

Why do you need this info?

This is somewhat outside of the scope of what we disucss here. This is a forum for discussing securing computers and networks, not tracking people down. Sounds like what you need to do is hire a private investigator.

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if I only got the name of a someone who has gone

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Gone where, from where would be immensely helpful for us to be able to assist you. For example, if they were an employee of your company that has now left then there would be a lot of useful information available. On the other hand if they were once here but are now dead finding them is going to be a bit of a problem...... ;)

Of course, you will get more answers and hopefully more useful answers were you to come up with a legal reason for wanting money from this person. Did they steal it?

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Originally posted here by KingZ
Hi everybody,


What possibilities are there - if I only got the name of a someone who has gone

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Don't know where my brain is....I 1st read "gone" as in DEAD...

:eek:

You can find buisness info on all companys in japan for free and on the net from here

http://english.itp.ne.jp/

That prob wont help you though and you sound quite desperate to find this person.

To get info on individuals in japan you need to contact a company called NTT and ask them to send you the white pages, if your not in japan however you will need a very very good reason to request these!

GL

WOAH!!! First of all i gotta say: THX 4 the RESPONSE!!!

@ss2chef
I know my English suxx and that I had a few mistakes in the text above.... Didn´t had much time :-)

@Tiger Shark
YES! Of course there´s a legal reason. This person has rented a house and wasn´t in the mood of paying the bills.... I mean - in the beginning - she did, but in the last few months she didn´t and the just went away from Germany to Japan. It´s several thousand €.... Thats all I can say at the moment I hope you understand ;-)

By the way, yesterday I found her (**** what is it called in english...?) "maiden name" [hope thats right] :-)))


Greets from sunny Germany
KingZ

KingZ:

Fair enough..... If she moved in entirity, (as opposed to dropping everything and fleeing), she would have probably had to ship her stuff back to Japan. If you can find the company she used you can have a lawyer get the ship to: address in Japan. At that point you have a foothold on that side of the world.

Moin, Kingz!


Hmm if you got her Mädchenname, isnt it possible then to find her parents? Could they be still alive? Maybe you shouldnt only focus on her but on any relatives, friends.....

She is far away in Japan, maybe its easier to find some persons that know her. From there you could make the next step.


Bis denne

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Is there really any point to finding her? Are there laws that allow you to get money from her since she is in an entirely different country? Is this a decent translation?
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Gibt es wirklich irgendein Punkt zum Finden sie? Gibt es Gesetze, die Ihnen erlauben, Geld von ihr zu erhalten, da sie in einem völlig anderen Land ist? Ist dieses ein annehmbare Übersetzung?

inst easier go to the justice? isnt a crime there do that kind of stuff?

Hunt her looks like to be more expensive than the first debt.....

Even you find her, what you will do? kill? beat? blackmail? marry?

Go to the court. Maybe you can get her (on court) thru her relatives...

@muert0

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Is there really any point to finding her? Are there laws that allow you to get money from her since she is in an entirely different country? Is this a decent translation?

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I hope there´s a point in finding her! Of course there are laws to get my money back! What do you call it if someone owns u money and flees to wherever??! I call it a CRIME and the depicted person a THIEF!!

@cacosapo
First thinking - then writing! Of course I want to go to the justice but this isn´t possible until I found her... And "hunting" her on the internet with a few searches and discussions on forums isn´t really expensive too!

I tried to get to her relatives thats why I searched for her maiden name (or Mädchenname), but I don´t know where they are living in Germany... Thats why I´m now trying to find out the place of birth or somethin. This way I hope 2 find relatives, and with the relatives and my LAWYER (and not a gun, a killer or a kidnapping-commando as some people here were thinkin..) I hope 2 get the money.

Again, I highly suggest looking into private investigators in your area.

and what are these private investigators are doing that I can´t do?

P.I.'s carry licenses that allow them access to more information than the average citizen, including various law enforcement resources.

Id suggest you change the tone of your replys kingz, everyone who has replyed to your thread has done so to try and help YOU.

If you dont like the replies you get, dont come to a computer security web site and ask how do you track someone who is in Japan, in a forum titled Newbie Security Questions.


As for what can a private investigator do that you cant do - well I dont see many PI's coming to a computer web site asking for advice, so obviously they can do a lot more than you can.

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Originally posted here by AngelicKnight
P.I.'s carry licenses that allow them access to more information than the average citizen, including various law enforcement resources.

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Luckily we don't have stupid laws like that in the EU..


But you could go and try to get someone experienced in the field to do the work..
Would save you a lot of time (and time = money)..

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Originally posted here by KingZ
YES! Of course there´s a legal reason. This person has rented a house and wasn´t in the mood of paying the bills.... I mean - in the beginning - she did, but in the last few months she didn´t and the just went away from Germany to Japan. It´s several thousand €.... Thats all I can say at the moment I hope you understand ;-)

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Drop your case at a dept collecting agency (in Dutch: incasso bureau). They'll take away all the hassle and collect the money for you.

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They'll take away all the hassle and collect the money for you.

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I believe many of them "buy" the debt off you at a rate that reflects their potential for a successful collection. Thus if the debt is $1000 and the person is your neighbor you might get $800 for it. If the debt is $1000 and the person has run off to Japan from Germany you might get $400 and they will subsequently sell that debt to a Japanese collection Agency for $600.

At least, that's how I understand how international debt collection works.

You may have a point here but you'll get part of your money back atleast.
I've dealt with dept collectors before but I was usually on the wrong side so to speak ;)

But what if he can trace her all the way back to japan?
How much money will it cost him to get her to pay?
How much will all the time and effort cost?

With a dept collecting agency you can get some sleep knowing you'll get some of it back :D

@Nokia
SORRY - I´ll change my tone.... (no joke)

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Luckily we don't have stupid laws like that in the EU..

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THATS Right!! Is that really true? P.I.s own these special licences, they can use to track informations from a person??

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Drop your case at a dept collecting agency (in Dutch: incasso bureau). They'll take away all the hassle and collect the money for you.

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No collecting agency (in germany its nearly the same as in dutch: "Inkasso-Büro"/ "Inkasso-Firma") in the world would accept this job! Believe me...
And even if theres one - they´ll want so much money that there would be no sense in it anymore. :-((
Already worked with these firms...

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P.I.s own these special licences, they can use to track informations from a person??

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Yes, which is why no joe-blow can up and be a P.I. (I was very, very briefly a researcher for a family-run P.I. business, which is why I know a little about it.) That's why a lot of P.I.'s are former cops, and they typically work very closely and cooperatively with police agencies.

wow! I didn´t know that! TOTALLY CRAZY.....

It makes sense if you think about it...

Take, for instance, a case we had -- client's daughter has been picked up by her father (divorce, mother had legal custody) who has taken off, looks like a possible kidnapping. In those situations you may want more heads looking that just the police. In this event, there's info you can't legally get yourself because of information security risks, but a licensed P.I. has access, better enabling him/her to track and hunt down the kidnapper.

Just an example. They can be pretty useful.

true... but u know that other examples would be also possible to give...

I just can´t understand that private Persons - if they once become an P.I. - can get such an "special license".... Abuse is in my P.O.V. preprogrammed (I dunno if this word exists...)

@ALL
But are there any new suggestions to the original thread? Would be very thankful!

KingZ:

There is one possibility that you may be forced to use.

Accept it and move on. Sometimes stuff happens and there is nothing more that you can do about it other than to chalk it up to experience.

Not very helpful I know but as the avenues of possibility start to close the more quickly you can accept this one the less stressful your life will be.... ;)

I am not sure about where you are from but here in the US of A we have a contract which is signed prior to any renting (for the day, week, or night). On this contract there is usually more personal information than the whole name. Do you have a birthday? What is her nationality? Is she from where you are? Is she from Japan?


A little more background information would help all of us.

KingZ - any idea if this person was in the US Military/Navy? If they were, well, I don't know how you could get ahold of anyone at the base who could do anything (or if they would), but you might want to file a complaint or something at the police station? I don't know too much about this stuff since I'm only 17, but it's just a thought.

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No collecting agency (in germany its nearly the same as in dutch: "Inkasso-Büro"/ "Inkasso-Firma") in the world would accept this job! Believe me...
And even if theres one - they´ll want so much money that there would be no sense in it anymore. :-((
Already worked with these firms...

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You say you have already worked with these firms, but have you talked to them about this case? What is there to lose, either they can help you get some of the money back, or you walk away from it with nothing. You came here for free help, asking if they can help and how much, costs the same? $0

i see.. u r trying to do ur online findings first...

to fully utilize your search in the net, u really need to search deep... i mean really deep.
u also have to make sure the person u r searching is really an "internet person", where she use internet frequently..

use several search engine and learn the query in the search engine.. first best is google;
these are some thread b4 about google queries, there r more..

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=244430
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=257512

for eg: intext:"peter parker"

use other type of search engine, as the crawlers in the engines works differently,
for eg: use www.ask.com to search deep in discussion forums...

be creative with search engines..

some webpages restricting the search engine crawler, so if u r able to know her habbits, try to go to forums, community that she intended to go to.. and search for her...

for eg: goto friendster; if u find her; ask all the close links to her..

I tried google way, to search an old friend, seems to work.. i even found his phone number, address, and latest photos..

i think this kind of things threaten personal privacy, :confused: hmm..??? sometimes internet do works that way.. :D

peace

THX AGAIN 4 THE GREAT RESPONSE!!!

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I am not sure about where you are from but here in the US of A we have a contract which is signed prior to any renting (for the day, week, or night). On this contract there is usually more personal information than the whole name. Do you have a birthday? What is her nationality? Is she from where you are? Is she from Japan?

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I live in Germany and of course we have contracts here too - not everyone here is wearing "LEDERHOSEN" ;-)
It´s true, there is a bit more information, but she signed the contract with her new name (the name she got after marriage) - which isn´t a real problem anymore cuz I already found out her maiden name :-)) What I also now is that shes German but has some relatives in Japan - but her parents live somewhere in Germany... Ah what I forgot is that she lived about a year or somethin in the house - not just a few weeks! Belive me if it would just be a few hundred € I won´t give a f**k, but it´s not and that´s what makes me angry...
If I could just find out the place of birth I´m pretty sure that the problem is solved!

@cyclops
Already tried search with google...
ask.com I didn´t tried but there were´nt any new results :-(
THX anyways!!


Greetz 2 ALL from sunny Germany (genaugenommen aus der grünen Eifel)

PLEEAAAAAAAZZe

HELP ME GUYZ!! Its important.... :-((

KingZ:

A married and a maiden name are not a whole lot to go on especially if one is Schmidt and the other is Schwartz.

As you can see from the lack of answers there doesn't seem to be anyone here with the ability to help you further. You are talking to a worldwide community about something that has unique cultural issues. What we can do here to find a person doesn't seem to be viable in Germany. What can be done in Germany probably couldn't be done here. Since I don't see a bunch of hands raised from our German members I'm guessing that you have them stumped too and they know your system.

Place your anger aside and put it down to experience..... Move on.... You will suffer more in the long run if you can't let it go.

I'm not sure if there's anything more we can offer. Again, this is a bit out of the scope of computer security, so it's not exactly our forte. Beyond hiring a P.I., looking into law enforcement avenues, or just counting it loss, I'm not sure what else you could do.

FYI, use the "Bump Up" button when you want to bring a topic back to the front page.

Didn't she provide any emergency contacts?

You could use those to try and track her down.

Have you gone to the Police?

Of course she provided contacts but these aren´t actual anymore...

NO - I can´t go to the police until I have found out her place of birth... It would be to difficult to explain but its because of German laws...