Red Hat Newbie

Gore i hope u can put our differences aside and help me with this, please dont just give me links, its easier to understand when it's coming directly from someone. everybody else help too :)

Ok this is whats up, i download Redhat from linuxiso.org (now that i got broadband) and am burning the CD's right now. I only installed Mandrake before one time, wasnt too hard, but i dont understand what those ext2 or ext things are when installing. is that like the root folder , where its gonna be installed ? And is there a GUI when installing redhat ? are there instructions what to do, and if you can give some basic things how to configure my broadband connection for redhat.

I also have a HD 20 Gigs which is my music hard drive, (no system installed on it ), it is NTFS. My other 60 gig (system drive) is also NTFS, does redhat come with a player that can play those mp3s when i install it ? And is it gonna recognize the NTFS drive ?

Also what software will i need when i install that, and how do i install the software, since there isnt a setup file like with windows where u just double click it. What do i type in the command line window to run the "setup".. I need a good firewall recomendation for redhat too !

Tx all !

ill go and read some of gores installation tutorials....main things is how to configure my modem to get me online, i can research other stuff after that !

Please move it to the OS forum , i forgot about it when i was posting this

It will be able to see the NTFS drive as read-only i believe so you wont be able to delete or add to it from linux...

as specialist mentioned ext2 etc are the filesystems like fat32 and NTFS are in windows..
the mp3 player i use under linux is xmms redhat will probably install it but if it doesnt you can just download it from xmms.org i think it is .. or do a search and just about everywhere has it ..

yes redhat will have a gui when you install it .. it is not difficult just follow the prompts ..as for a step by step tutorial ... well as you said gore might help you there....

have you every partition a hard disk for linux before .???

Can a *cough* moderator move this to newbie questions?

Here are the NTFS RPM's for redhat 8.0 I think you can figure it out from there.
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/redhat8.html
And from my little bit of experience you can read from but not write in NTFS with linux.
Redhat 8.0 kernel doesn't load supporting NTFS.
http://linuxkernel.foundries.sourcef...=thread&tid=49
And I think it goes in operating systems not newbie sec.

Hey Hey.

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Originally posted here by DreamDown

Ok this is whats up, i download Redhat from linuxiso.org (now that i got broadband) and am burning the CD's right now.

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I really wouldn't suggest RedHat.. it's the lowest of the low.. IMO it's the WinME of Linux.

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I only installed Mandrake before one time, wasnt too hard, but i dont understand what those ext2 or ext things are when installing. is that like the root folder , where its gonna be installed ? And is there a GUI when installing redhat ? are there instructions what to do, and if you can give some basic things how to configure my broadband connection for redhat.

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ext2 and ext3 and reiserfs are different file systems.. like NTFS and FAT. You are required to have a minimum of two drives/partitions to install Linux... / and swap.. swap is swap.. it's like your pagefile in Windows.. programs are swapped between swap space and RAM... your best bet is to make it twice the amount of RAM you have. The / partition is your root partition, everything will be mounted under here in your directory structure. You can add other partitions if you want... common ones are /var, /home, /boot, /usr... etc. You can create these if you want to but they aren't necessary.. RedHat will most likely create /, /boot and SWAP for you.. I believe that's what it did last time I installed.. you can go with the defaults it gives you... or you can play around a bit if you want to..

As far as the GUI.. you'll configure X during the install and select if you want it to boot GUI or console.. If you have standard hardware it will most likely install everything for you... for nVidia you'll have to get the nVidia driver. and stuff like that...

The network setup will also take place during the install.. this is the least of your concerns.. Linux will be like hey a broadband connection and set it up for you with minimal user input.

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I also have a HD 20 Gigs which is my music hard drive, (no system installed on it ), it is NTFS. My other 60 gig (system drive) is also NTFS, does redhat come with a player that can play those mp3s when i install it ? And is it gonna recognize the NTFS drive ?

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RedHat will have xmms, however, with RH9 anyways, they removed mp3 support... you had to download and recompile the software yourself.. As for your NTFS drives, your Linux kernel that installs by default should have NTFS Read-Only Access.. however you'll have to recompile the kernel if you want read-write access.

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Also what software will i need when i install that, and how do i install the software, since there isnt a setup file like with windows where u just double click it. What do i type in the command line window to run the "setup".. I need a good firewall recomendation for redhat too !

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You'll need to get XMMS.. it's a winamp equiv.. you can just google the site for it.. For installs you can download RPMs... it'll be the same as running setup in Windows.. with minor differences (you have to meet dependances and what not).. but you double click in gui or run rpm -Uvh <filename> in console and it'll install the program... The other way is to download the tarball (tar.gz, tar.bz2, tgz, etc)... The standard for compiling this software is ./confiigure; make; make install. There are always variations on this, but that's usually how it goes... As for a firewall... depending on the version you have check out ipchains or iptables... I believe there's some tutorials on this site about them... and they're tons of tutorials floating around on the configuration and basic syntax.

Peace,
HT

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Can a *cough* moderator move this to newbie questions?

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The OS Forum would prolly be more appropriate since this isn't security related.
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as specialist mentioned ext2 etc are the filesystems like fat32 and NTFS are in windows..
the mp3 player i use under linux is xmms redhat will probably install it but if it doesnt you can just download it from xmms.org i think it is .. or do a search and just about everywhere has it

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Extended disk and filesystems. No worries. Edited... more & more words repeated and in replacement by other members... *deleted*

Sure we have other forums to place this in but ummm... & you know what? :flip: Who cares. His question has been answered and he can fallow my lead of deleted posts.

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have you every partition a hard disk for linux before .???

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Yes, with Partition Magic Pro, but i was planning on deleted windows as a hole and just run linux, i dont have to partition the drive than right ? Since im gonna format it anyways !

well as HT said linux doesnt have pagefile.sys so you need to create a partition for virtual memory.... create your main partition for linux to install on and then create a linux swap partition ( i only make it about 200mb) but HT reckons twice the size of the amount of ram you have .. so if you have 512mb ram make your swap partition a gig!!??

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Originally posted here by fyrewall
well as HT said linux doesnt have pagefile.sys so you need to create a partition for virtual memory.... create your main partition for linux to install on and then create a linux swap partition ( i only make it about 200mb) but HT reckons twice the size of the amount of ram you have .. so if you have 512mb ram make your swap partition a gig!!??

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Hey Hey,

That's not my reckoning.. that's standard practice :) That's what they teach in all linux courses. You wouldn't want less swap then ram, because if you're RAM was full and you needed to swap it all out, you wouldn't have room.. .That's why doubling the RAM for swap is the standard.

Peace,
HT

Before you get rid of windows completely you may want to make sure all hardware is compatible:
http://hardware.redhat.com/hcl/?page...advsearch#form
It's a real pain when you get it all installed and realise a ethernet card or something doesn't work.

ah .. well i never knew that .. thanks dude :)

you dn't really HAVE to create partitions. RedHat has an option to auto partition while you're installing, and that would probably be best. But make sure you look over all partitions, as you might want to keep your music. If you have problems because of NTFS, I'd recommend buying SUSE, and then reading my tutorial. It was posted maybe yesterday? Not sure I was up a long long time and sort of forgot the day.

Wow, tx HTregz, i understand linux better now. And gore, i dont wanna spend money yet, i wanna figure some stuff out first then i'll probably buy suse, HT you said RH9 is not good, what do you guys recomend for me, easy to set-up etc....

SuSE is pretty easy to install from the FTP. You can find the FTP iso on linuxiso.org , too.

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Originally posted here by HTRegz
Hey Hey. I really wouldn't suggest RedHat.. it's the lowest of the low.. IMO it's the WinME of Linux.
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Second that motion
RED HAT Security Advisories 2002-10-07/\2004-01-05

Installing *NIX Help
Libranet(gore and I post here sometimes) take advantage of the Debian packet cellar.

what you said .. mandrake is probably the easiest.. red hat is pretty easy too ............

they are probably the 2 easiests .... unless you get a distro that runs off cd and requires no installing :)

Ok, i am gonna install Redhat 9 first, i'll try some other distributions later,

ok, 3 minutes and the last CD is done, im off to install it now, wish me luck, if i dont post within the next 2 hours, i probably messed it up !

When i come back, HTregz, you have to tech me how to recompile the kernel so i can download music to my music drive !

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Originally posted here by fyrewall
what you said .. mandrake is probably the easiest.. red hat is pretty easy too ............

they are probably the 2 easiests .... unless you get a distro that runs off cd and requires no installing :)

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What is easier than typing

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apt- get

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Hey Hey,

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Originally posted here by !mitationRust
What is easier than typing

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apt- get

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How about typing swaret? It's fewer characters.. haha :)

Anyways.. Libranet is definately a good suggestion as a distro to run I love it.. The fact that it's Canadian is one of it 's best points.. :) hehe and it's debian based which is nice... VectorLinux is also nice.. It's also Canadian and it's Slackware based so you can still use swaret and slapt-get if you want.. Other than that I run SuSE and have played with many many distros.. CollegeLinux was designed with learning in mind, so it might also be a good choice.

Peace,
HT

WELCOME ME TO THE LINUX FAMILY !

This is my first post ever from a linux machine :)

Thank you all for he help, im gonna go read some manuals now :)

congrats dude :) . I hope your gonna patch that linux box now that your on the net :).

now, how do i access my C drive from here ? :D

Here's one I like:

http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/toc.html

you ntfs one? well you have to mount it

whatever it is in /dev directory

mount /dev/<whatever you hdd partition is> /mnt/Cdrive

unless it allowed you to mount it when you were installing it in which case just navigate to it .

If you have a question and you cannot find the answer here some good sites are www.liuxquestions.org www.linuxnewbie.org and yeh as muert0 said do the courses at www.linux.org

also on IRC.dal.net the channel #linux is pretty helpful :)

DreamDown: Welcome to the Linux Family. Your computer experience's are guarenteed to be less worrisome of security risk's and you now will have a more stable/reliable experience. Enjoy! :)

By the way: I wouldn't recommend RedHat either. Probably Mandrake 8.2 or something to start you off. But hey, if you read some manual's and you have AO for help then you should be good.

all basic commands are the same and generally once you have a feel for one os you have a feel for them all ...... so it doesnt really matter which one you start with :) linux is linux

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Originally posted here by Spyder32
DreamDown: Welcome to the Linux Family. Your computer experience's are guarenteed to be less worrisome of security risk's and you now will have a more stable/reliable experience. Enjoy! :)

By the way: I wouldn't recommend RedHat either. Probably Mandrake 8.2 or something to start you off. But hey, if you read some manual's and you have AO for help then you should be good.

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Hey Hey,

DreamDown's been banned, but I'm sure he'll still check this thread..

Anyways, Why Mandrake 8.2? I'm kinda curious as to why you'd tell him to go with an older release of the operating system. Why not one of the newer versions of MDK if you're going that way, I haven't used MDK in a while.. has it been getting progressively worse like RedHat did?

Peace,
HT

I don't think much could go "progressively worse" than RH. They stopped supporting RH 9.0 and earlier with the advent of Fedora. Nothing wrong with that except that even Win95 had support up until about 2002 or so (don't know the timelines). I was with RH from 4.x till 9.0 and I wasn't at all happy when they sent me my email saying "We're sorry to say this, but you lose, you no longer have support for RH 9.0 so we won't be charging you.".

Slackware 10.0 here I come!

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Originally posted here by Vorlin
I don't think much could go "progressively worse" than RH. They stopped supporting RH 9.0 and earlier with the advent of Fedora. Nothing wrong with that except that even Win95 had support up until about 2002 or so (don't know the timelines). I was with RH from 4.x till 9.0 and I wasn't at all happy when they sent me my email saying "We're sorry to say this, but you lose, you no longer have support for RH 9.0 so we won't be charging you.".

Slackware 10.0 here I come!

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THAT A BOY!

I just wrote some **** for Slackware which applies to almost all versions. So if you need any help, I'm here man.

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Slackware 10.0 here I come!

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Slack 10 isn't bad (although I still get the sound issue -- need to fix that alsa problem). I have found KDE to be a bit problematic: I can't view full headers (it crash the prog and removed the option after the crash. Repeated installs of KDE doesn't work -- and haven't made the time for a clean install). I've also had a few instances where Mozilla (1.7.1) "overloaded" and caused KDE to crash. Not sure if it's KDE not being able to handle things or if it's mozilla. Given that it's be intermittent, I haven't been too worried. :)

Otherwise, been nice. :)

Mittens, there was an issue with Mozilla like, yesterday. Think they might be related? I'm not sure what the issue was, I just updated.

Found it:

http://www.slackware.com/security/li...ecurity&y=2004

There are a few updates that seemed to have problems, but I haven't yet, and I updated after getting Swaret to work on my 10.0 box. If all else fails, E-mail Patric, he's a nice guy usually.

Ah.. time to run Swaret... I need to get that cronned again..

Can I ask why he was banned? Ahh, oh well.. Anyways:

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Probably Mandrake 8.2 or something to start you off.

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I said probably because any early version of Mandrake (or specifically that one) I've found to help benefit those user's who are making the jump to linux from Window's. Just my personal experience's, ya know?

I have used RH 7.3, 8, and 9. 7.3 was probably the best, 8 was crap, and I did not have any real problems with 9. Just installed Fedora Core 2. Kinda buggy to me. I will try slackware and freebsd on this comp to see which one will become my main OS.(for awhile anyways)

Hey, im trying to mount this ntfs drive for memory while he's at work...i get an error that the kernel is not compatible with ntfs ?? is there an update or a oatch, how do i install it ? where do i get it !!?!

The linux-ntfs site downloads page has RPM's
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/index.html
And here's the link for redhat 9.0 which is what I think he decided to go with.
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/redhat9.html
And you might want to read the instructions before you d/l anything.
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/rpm/instructions.html

tx muert0, everything works now...

tx a bunch to pooh sun tzu too, he helped me via IM ....

No problem man. Glad to hear you got it working.