antipoints part 2 ;-)

well, since i'm not able to post any reaction anymore, here's another thread.

i'm not saying i'm worried about abuse, and i actually don't care, i trust the admins will sort this out.

but what i find irritating is that "popup" at the homepage telling me "key is balance". i can give a lot of people positive antipoints, cause they post good answers. but there are only a few posts that are that bad that they deserve negative points..

this is how i see it, and i wasn't talking about tutorials or old members, i've read all the posts they've made before posting this thread, and that's why i still find it strange.....

but never mind, although it is a nice thought, most of the time antipoints doesn't mean that much, i see people with a lot of positive antipoints still starting a flame!! (see previous thread for example).

no offense to anyone, but i people will have to earn respect by the quality of their posts/tutorials, and not by some green spots under your username, or the number of posts they've made.

From looking at your "User tends to assign" bar I would say that you shouldn't be seeing the Balance is Key message... And you're giving more negs than greenies, not the other way around ;)
(unless there's something wrong with your "User tends to assign" bar :) )

The entire Balance is Key/Pain in the Ass issue is being worked at...

AP posts have been covered sooooo many times, it really is boring.
If you're not bothered about AP's then why whime about them?

btw: that was a rhetorical question

Try as I might, antipoints don't come my way. I think they hate my good looks and charm. Little buggers. Grrrrr :D

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but never mind, although it is a nice thought, most of the time antipoints doesn't mean that much, i see people with a lot of positive antipoints still starting a flame!! (see previous thread for example).

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You'll actually notice senior members start more flames than the newbies or addicts. The reason for that is simply because we might have been around longer, and have had enough of some particular members when they start trolling again. I.E. DemonicKnight or whatever his name was.....He's a past member who got banned for being an idiot, and now he's back, again, acting like an idiot, thus pissing some members off. He started his post by calling someone a deuchebag, and to me that is unacceptable. There's plenty of people reading these post, many of which are proffesionals in their field. If they start seeing people refering to others as deuchebags for perfectly good posts....then they'll get a bad impression of the site and not come anymore...thus denying the site a member who could be very productive. Thats why I went off on him, and for him being such a big hypocrite. To make matters worse, he was greened for that. Talk about an alliance..... If another member with 5 posts under their belt had said something like that...he'd get banned within a couple hours. To me, that is unacceptable.

Peace.

Just so I know (because I don't) who is DemonicKnight, anyways?

Oh, and no offense to the orginal creator of this thread but creating it twice? Kinda dumb, IMO.

I thought they were going to do away with the AP system because people could unfairly give negs to people for no reason. are we still going to have it the way it is?

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I thought they were going to do away with the AP system because people could unfairly give negs to people for no reason. are we still going to have it the way it is?

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What gave you that Idea lol :). The AP system is a major part of this website and its part of what separates AO from other security websites...I doubt they are going to get rid of the AP system. Although it gets abused sometimes, it does serve its purpose.

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From looking at your "User tends to assign" bar I would say that you shouldn't be seeing the Balance is Key message... And you're giving more negs than greenies, not the other way around
(unless there's something wrong with your "User tends to assign" bar )

The entire Balance is Key/Pain in the Ass issue is being worked at...

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well, that's the "strange part", i had given only positive AP's untill i noticed that "Balance is key" thingie. from then on i really had to search in order to give negative AP's to someone who deserves it (IMO). so now it is in balance again (although i have given exaclty the same amount of times positive and negative AP's, but it seems like the negative weigh more.

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AP posts have been covered sooooo many times, it really is boring.
If you're not bothered about AP's then why whime about them?

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maybe it is, normally i don't read threads about AP's, but this was just something i wanted to have other peoples opinion from.

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You'll actually notice senior members start more flames than the newbies or addicts. The reason for that is simply because we might have been around longer, and have had enough of some particular members when they start trolling again. I.E. DemonicKnight or whatever his name was.....He's a past member who got banned for being an idiot, and now he's back, again, acting like an idiot, thus pissing some members off. He started his post by calling someone a deuchebag, and to me that is unacceptable. There's plenty of people reading these post, many of which are proffesionals in their field. If they start seeing people refering to others as deuchebags for perfectly good posts....then they'll get a bad impression of the site and not come anymore...thus denying the site a member who could be very productive. Thats why I went off on him, and for him being such a big hypocrite. To make matters worse, he was greened for that. Talk about an alliance..... If another member with 5 posts under their belt had said something like that...he'd get banned within a couple hours. To me, that is unacceptable.

Peace.

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this i understand, it wasn't something personal, perhaps i have used the wrong example (sorry for that). but i have seen it many times, and some of that times the reason isn't that obvious/correct.
but your "flame" was the last one i've read before i started this topic (again).

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Oh, and no offense to the orginal creator of this thread but creating it twice? Kinda dumb, IMO.

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no offense taken, and no offense, but don't know if you read the original thread (i presume you did), then you may have noticed that it was closed, and since i wasn't satisfied with the replies given, and i wasn't able to reply myself, i did something i wouldn't normally do, and that's to start another thread on the same subject.
This because i believe that we (or at least most of us) are adult and responsible people, who can
participate in a thread about something that "might" piss people off, in an intelligent manner.


as for the AP's, for this thread, i have received 3 greenies, 2 gray ones, and 1 red one, the last was without an explanation. i'm still wondering why that guy gave me the AP. ;-)

as for one final question:

how can you give someone "grey" AP's? (i presume they mean not positive and not negative)?


one final thing, i don't disagree with the AP's, i think the idea is great, i was just wondering how "save" it is. And since most of the people here are interested in how to "bend" the rules, i don't think this is a strange question/subject.

You give grey until you reach 50 positive APs. Then you are able to assign APs that actually have a value (neg or positive).

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and no offense, but don't know if you read the original thread (i presume you did), then you may have noticed that it was closed, and since i wasn't satisfied with the replies given, and i wasn't able to reply myself, i did something i wouldn't normally do, and that's to start another thread on the same subject.

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That's all gravy as long as you know not to always start another thread when the original get's closed, it could get quite irritating. :)

thanks, now i know :D

Just to add something: isn't the AP assignment thing balanced at like 75% positive and 25% negative? Somewhere in that neighborhood... It's not 50% - 50%.

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Just to add something: isn't the AP assignment thing balanced at like 75% positive and 25% negative? Somewhere in that neighborhood... It's not 50% - 50%.

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if this would be the case, then why is my "post assign bar" more the the negative part? i think it is just the oposit

i think its sad how much n00bs are worried about GIFS...aka AP's....Ap's mostly control the place....when you see someone with 14 green dots you always listen to them...and someone with 1 or 2 or even a grey dot are sometimes pushed off.....and sadly it will always remain so unless we see a renasance in our time....highly unlikely

just my rambelings

From lepricaun:

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well, that's the "strange part", i had given only positive AP's untill i noticed that "Balance is key" thingie. from then on i really had to search in order to give negative AP's to someone who deserves it (IMO). so now it is in balance again (although i have given exaclty the same amount of times positive and negative AP's, but it seems like the negative weigh more.

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You got the 'balance' bollox because you had given out too big a % of green AP's.
I believe the trip level is 97% ?

To reach 'balance' that is to remove the 'balance' message, you only had to give out sufficient reds to get you below 96% .........................

You must have had to try REALLY hard to give out enough reds to put your 'user tends to assign' bar that close to the centre .............

Just learn to live with the damn things, they are not the be all, and end all. But they are what makes this site different, and I for one, like it just the way it is, warts and all.

From the texan:

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I thought they were going to do away with the AP system because people could unfairly give negs to people for no reason. are we still going to have it the way it is?

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This from someone who had a thread whining that he was close to being banned due to his amount of red AP's. As a result, he received a bucket full of green, and is still with us.
Has he learnt from his experience ?
Maybe he could let us know ?

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=257428

IMHO he was not given any unfairly, the quality of your posts will be rewarded wih green / red AP's as people see fit........... these are AP's for Petes sake, it's not like he was denied life saving medicines ............ Therefore the texan received a pile of red because his posts were not considered worthy of getting green.

Just to add one more thing to this AP whinge list:

From ME:

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from cybr1d

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The Irony stands at the fact that we used to neg the **** out of people who asked not to get negged anymore...and here we are doing the complete opposite.

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Sometimes the old ways are the best.
If you get negged, you can do something about it, you can improve your posts/replies, better yet, take the time to post as though it is a tutorial, and use the guides written for that purpose.

Myself, I've been getting both good and bad responses to posts. At these times it is the comment with the AP's that can give you a clue as to what you are lacking. In my recent post on IP Addresses, the idea to write the reply as a 'tale' now seems to have been not so clever. However, you must carry on.

You are here to improve your understanding of IT, and if that is the case, then bitching about the lack of appreciation for your input is just stupid. As it is apparent that the quality of your replies leaves a lot to be desired.

Anyway, my 2 cents worth.

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I feel that I've started to ramble again. Better get myself into cosmos quick. :D

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i think its sad how much n00bs are worried about GIFS...aka AP's....Ap's mostly control the place....when you see someone with 14 green dots you always listen to them...and someone with 1 or 2 or even a grey dot are sometimes pushed off.....and sadly it will always remain so unless we see a renasance in our time....highly unlikely

just my rambelings

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You speak as if "n00bs" are some inferior beings....

The max you can have is 11 green dots. You will listen to the person with 11 green dots because chances are that person knows wtf they're talking about?????? Just a crazy idea perhaps.

You don't pay much attention to people with 2 red dots because they must have really ****ed up somewhere to get 2 red dots to begin with...People with 1-2 red dots are rarely pushed off if they're making decent posts....I don't know where you got that Idea...If you were pushed off, perhaps some of your posts in the past were worthless?

That would be the purpose of the AP system...to RATE THAT USER'S POST...its not rocket science and even a "n00b" would be able to figure that out....


Just for the record, He is a Senior Member and you're an Addict ----> and he has one more green gif than you.

Also for the record, the AP system is a big part of the website, and it is going to be part of many discussions....so stop bitching when people talk about them. Questions do arise, and not everyone is born a genious like you. IMO the only people who say "WHO CARES" about antipoints, are the ones that care the most.


I think lep should green everyone except Hexadecimal in this thread to even out his AP assignments :D.

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Originally posted here by Cybr1d
You speak as if "n00bs" are some inferior beings....

The max you can have is 11 green dots. You will listen to the person with 11 green dots because chances are that person knows wtf they're talking about?????? Just a crazy idea perhaps.

You don't pay much attention to people with 2 red dots because they must have really ****ed up somewhere to get 2 red dots to begin with...People with 1-2 red dots are rarely pushed off if they're making decent posts....I don't know where you got that Idea...If you were pushed off, perhaps some of your posts in the past were worthless?

That would be the purpose of the AP system...to RATE the other person...its not rocket science and even a "n00b" would be able to figure that out....

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Ignorance at its finest... I bet that the number of Seniors and 'rated' users on this site that know what they're talking about is small enough to count on both my hands. Just because a user has 11 little green ****ing dots under his name means nothing. Want an example, look at Deb (no offense sweety, I just know you from IRC ;) ), she has 11 green dots, was on the highest AP earner list and has no ****ing clue about computers other than the fine basics... dots mean **** and are just a retarded way of believing you know something when you don't have the slightest clue about computers.

Another fine example is right here, the member is Spyder32 and hasn't the slightest idea of how a basic concept like e-mail over HTTP works. (No offense Spyder32) http://www.antionline.com/showthread...044#post776044

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Ignorance at its finest... I bet that the number of Seniors and 'rated' users on this site that know what they're talking about is small enough to count on both my hands. Just because a user has 11 little green ****ing dots under his names means nothing. Want an example, look at Deb (no offense sweety, I just know you from IRC ), she has 11 green dots, was on the highest AP earner list and has no ****ing clue about computers other than the fine basics... dots mean **** and are just a retarded way of believing you know something when you don't have the slightest clue about computers.

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Ignorance? Hardly. Perhaps I should use the word "Rate the user's Post" so you can understand where I'm coming from.

As for Deb....there such a thing as abusing the AP system....and you know about it very well.

You took the last sentence of my post and decided to quote the whole thing...clearly missing my point. Read the whole ****ing thing next time and understand it. If you cannot understand my english, I'll gladly re-write it in simpler terms for you...sorry English is not my native language.

Deb didn't abuse the AP system. She simply makes intelligent posts. Whether those posts are technical or not is not really the point. Gods' Whore is simply trying to make the point that the number of AP's you have is not an accurate judge of a person's technical ability.

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Originally posted here by Cybr1d
Ignorance? Hardly. Perhaps I should use the word "Rate the user's Post" so you can understand where I'm coming from.

As for Deb....there such a thing as abusing the AP system....and you know about it very well.

You took the last sentence of my post and decided to quote the whole thing...clearly missing my point. Read the whole ****ing thing next time and understand it. If you cannot understand my english, I'll gladly re-write it in simpler terms for you...sorry English is not my native language.

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Rating a person's post is also a **** of ****.... look into Tech Humor or into Cosmos, half the AP bars are glowing green in those.. did those people make any contribution that proved they knew what they were talking about? Not all...

And Deb didn't abuse the AP system at all, the issue was checked by JP and she was cleared of whatever you little mind might think.

And I wasn't referring to your 'last sentence', I was simply answering this ignorance:

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The max you can have is 11 green dots. You will listen to the person with 11 green dots because chances are that person knows wtf they're talking about?????? Just a crazy idea perhaps.

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Deb didn't abuse the AP system. She simply makes intelligent posts. Whether those posts are technical or not is not really the point. Gods' Whore is simply trying to make the point that the number of AP's you have is not an accurate judge of a person's technical ability.

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I know she makes intelligent posts....but the AP system has been abused in the past AFAIK. I speak to her on IRC every once in a while and I can see she's a smart woman.

I never said it gave an accurate judgment, but it gives you an Idea that gee, maybe the person knows wtf he's talkign about? I doubt you disagree with that. That was what I was telling hexadecimal....

We do use the AP system to rate a user's posts....

You'll also notice that Deb hardly posts in Security related threads...why? Because she doesn't know much in that field. You'll see that I don't post much in crypt or steg threads because my knowledge is limited in that field. In the threads that I post in usually, I have a pretty good Idea of what i'm talking about and you can spend the extra minute and read through my post....

The AP system serves its purpose IMHO.

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Gods' Whore is simply trying to make the point that the number of AP's you have is not an accurate judge of a person's technical ability.

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Surely we all know this now, it's been beaten to death, has it not? I'm a good example, I'm only moderate in technical skill, IMO, and I have quite a few greens.

However, stick around long enough and you know who's who. Most people with 11 greens are on top of things, more than not anyway. The APs are a good general guide but shouldn't be taken too seriously as they do obviously have flaws.

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Rating a person's post is also a **** of ****.... look into Tech Humor or into Cosmos, half the AP bars are glowing green in those.. did those people make any contribution that proved they knew what they were talking about? Not all...

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Cosmos: Most of the people who actually bother to post in Cosmos are pretty intelligent people and many of them are knowledgable in the computer field. I know APs are not supposed to be distributed in Cosmos, but people still do....maybe on posts that they agree with.

Tech humor....who are the members who have been greened the most? You'll notice that its senior members, on which after 11 dots, the AP assignemtn means jack ****.

Those abusing APs in Cosmos are a minority too. Indeed, all of us would probably fair well to put an end to that...When I get APs in Cosmos I quickly remind the assigner to only give me APs I've earned. I myself negged once in Cosmos for an abusive post, and that was it. More or less, however, what Cyb's saying stands more or less true, given the occasional exception.

i dont speak of noobs as inferor beings....im still one for the most part....what im saying is that some ppl honor senior members for their AP's alone......yea im just gonna stop posting when it comes to Ap's.....no matter what i post i just get negs....even if im supporting the dern system!.....*Sigh*

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I think lep should green everyone except Hexadecimal in this thread to even out his AP assignments .

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notice im not negging you for your thoughts and opnions.....i just dont get ppl sometimes


and so i dont sound like a total dumba$$ *maybe too late* ive had a registered acount on here since january 02....been here since i was 13.....ive tried to make intelegent post but somehow no one else thinks they are so i just read what i can and learn.....this is more like a class room experience then a forum to me....

and if someone negs me for my thought i might jsut scream


guten tag

Awww someone gave him posies :)...I wanted to see how he was going to scream :D.

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..yea im just gonna stop posting when it comes to Ap's.....no matter what i post i just get negs....even if im supporting the dern system!.....*Sigh*

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Maybe you should, because you contradict yourself on the matter. What did my msg say when I negged you? "Here are some Reds...take care".

Why complain about the negs when the message wasn't offensive in any way...I thought you didn't care about APs?

What do you mean you weren't speaking of "n00bs" as if they were inferior?

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i think its sad how much n00bs are worried about GIFS...aka AP's..

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That comes out as offensive towards newbies IMO. For starters, the person you were refering to is a Senior Member....so the term n00b does not pertain to him unless you say it to belittle him which is exactly what you were trying to do.

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and so i dont sound like a total dumba$$ *maybe too late* ive had a registered acount on here since january 02....been here since i was 13.....ive tried to make intelegent post but somehow no one else thinks they are so i just read what i can and learn.....this is more like a class room experience then a forum to me....

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Are you saying that the post we are refering to right now, was intelligent? I didn't think it was. You didn't deserve the negs, and I did not neg you because I hate you or anything, just the oposite, I wanted to see what you were going to say about them, and then see if I can help you out.

BTW, the age difference greatly affects what you might consider an Intelligent post and what we hold as an intelligent post..."we" meaning the much older members. Sometimes its better to listen more and speak less ;).

Take care

ahh the old "children are better seen not heard" comment....props....i cant stand that comment though....i have always been one to speak my mind...share my opnion if i feel it is worth sharing.....and right now im thinking about how you analyzed my first post in this thread.....im not calling senior members noobs....i have noo idea how you got that out of my post....honestly....but your perception of ideas and thoughts is most definitly different then mine....

o and if you still want to hear me scream jsut ask and il give u my phone number man

how do you want me to scream
A) high pitched girly
B) emotionless
C) normal scream/starteled scream

:p just makin fun......

yea i usualy dont care about antipoints but when i get negs i am compelled to figure out why.....as long as i have 1 greenie im happy

well im off to tuba lessons :D

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ahh the old "children are better seen not heard" comment....props....i cant stand that comment though...

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I was refering to: "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence."
~ Publilius Syrus (fl. 1st Cent. BC-) :D

ahhh forgot about that one.....nice choice :D

- The AntiPoints system is here to stay.
- If you accuse someone of abusing the system, you better come up with some proof and notify a moderator/administrator.
- The "Balance is Key"-issue is being worked on, as is the "Pain in the Ass"-message. You should see the result pretty soon.
- Cosmos is supposed to AntiPoints-free - not because I don't like people getting AntiPoints for their opinions, but because the majority of members doesn't want to see AntiPoints in Cosmos.

Any questions? :p

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Any questions?

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Why do people care?

Because we're all loving and caring people, Jack :)

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Another fine example is right here, the member is Spyder32 and hasn't the slightest idea of how a basic concept like e-mail over HTTP works. (No offense Spyder32) http://www.antionline.com/showthrea...6044#post776044

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Umm.. **** you? I didn't know that hotmail had an option to show IP addresses in headers and you say I don't know ****?? **** you, go **** yourself and have fun doing so. I'm actually surprised why I give a **** at what you think, but I'm addressing it anyways. This is the same user who was banned multiple times and is pointing names saying they don't know their computer ****?

Seriously, your a ****ing joke. To those that think I don't know anything about computers or whatever: Forget you. I'll have the people I have helped judge that.

Spyder32, <3.

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Spyder32, <3.

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Maybe it's because I'm half-near drunk, but I'm confused.. :confused:

You know we love you Tupac loving spyder ! :)

edit: hey hey, Tupac Amaru Shakur :) named after some very respected man, thats what tupac said in Ressurection !

Tupac Shakur = God ;)

Yes, he was named after two important people (one a philosopher). His birth name though is Lesane Crooks. His government given name is Tupac Amaru Shakur. :)

I love you Spyder, in a non-homosexual way :D

The "Balance is Key" message has been removed.

- h