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Both of the upcoming handheld gaming rigs from Nintendo (Gameboy DS)and Sony (PSP) will have wi-fi built in. Wonder what the chances will be of developing Wardriving and Pen-test tools for them? I know they take measures to keep users from running their own code on the normal consoles (unless you chip your box), but I wonder how hard they will make it on the upcoming mobiles?
I don't know a lot about "modding" consoles, but I would think that the size of these mobile game systems would put off quite a lot of people. I mean, all but the enthusiast won't be bothered cause it'll probably be really fiddly work.
But then again, I could be completely wrong, so I apologise in advance for posting without any real knowledge :P
ac
I too know not alot about modding consoles, however being this is wireless could make it interesting. I'm definitely interested though in the possible exploits/bugs in it and am looking forward to seeing what develops (for instance, XBox had it's share of "hacks").
wifi on gameboys, awesome! I wonder if netstubler will come out with a prog? lol but I don't know alot about moding but a friend of mine has a xbox with a 200gb hd and is able to burn the games onto it, music, and emulators! PS2s are harder to mod cause sony decided to make their own special ****(HD and so on).I would see a possiblity but what are the avantages of wardriving with game syss? Formatting or somthing like spoofing? umm.
Quite frankly and for some strange reason, I find it unethical as a technology/security lover to "modd" any Console Gaming system (or even mobile gaming for that matter). I dunno what it is with me, but it feel's somewhat "black-hat'ish?"
I would almost be willing to bet these two devices will run on their own frequency, so hacking them will be much more difficult...
yes maybe. But isn't their something else that drives "someone" to push something to the limit? Like a "motor head" that likes to cram out more horsepower or whatever in their car,etc. Just thoughts.Quote:
... I find it unethical...
Game boys can now run Unix.
What do you think is going to happen when these things hit the market?
I think, depending on available memory, and if ppl see it may be worth while, you will see little mods or hacks for these devices also. Most likely they will be hardware hacks unless these devices run the windows or other handheld operating systems. If they do run an operating system i can see a replacement being created as in xbox. As for modding a console after you buy it, i dont see anything black hat about it. Once something is payed for and you own it, you can smash it with a hammer or mod it to hell because it is now owned by you. I dont see something this small storring games as in the xbox though. But of course i havnt looked at how it runs yet.
But then the would not be true 802.11B (or G) and would not work with folks APs, which I'm pretty sure they are ment to.Quote:
Originally posted here by The Grunt
I would almost be willing to bet these two devices will run on their own frequency, so hacking them will be much more difficult...
the first thing you said (the gameboy) is using an ARM processor, theres already a toolchain for this in linux and theres already a version of linux that runs on the ARM (several actually, uClinux and then some for PDA's but there running StrongARM's which is a different core)
So as long as its got a JTAG build in somewhere then it really wont be long before it runs linux, I give it around 3 to 4 weeks at the most on its release in the US before we start seeing storys on /. about it running linux.
We had a discussion about these a while back, I dont think you were a member then Iron.
Even the Ipod is looking to put in wifi, they advertised for a post for someone with intergrating Wifi into embedded systems knowledge the other week.
As for modding (hardware hacking....) consoles and other such devices I think its a really interesting area, take a look at the xpod-linux or gamecube-linux, the code is fascinating its really inpressive when things are reverse engineered, also have a look at bunni's page on hacking the xpod, theres some really fascianting stuff there.
hey Spyder why do you think that out of interest? if youve bought the device then IMO its alrite to do what you want with it, I bought a furby many years ago with the intention of ripping out its control electronics and put my own in and making it swear, I know its not the intended use but surely if its ur's its ok? we always go on here about it being alrite to attack your own computers..
i2c
Or take a look at xbox clusters :) Here's a small one. I've heard of 20box clusters though.
http://www.flexer.it/contents/galler...03/w03_013.jpg
The PSP seems like it will be easy to make software for and it's a hell of a system compared to my computer. It's also gonna take memory sticks and have usb2.0 so the memory thing won't be much of a problem. I don't even really see having to make any physical changes. It seems like you could just make software to fool it into loading a OS but I'm not that knowledgeable in the field soI really don't know. Here's a link to the specs on the PSP.
http://www.gamespot.com/all/news/news_6072659.html
And so far the only spec I've found for the DS make it look like crap next too the PSP.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/03..._specs_reveal/
Ahhh. I assumed it was wireless to connect them to each other. For the link play.Quote:
Originally posted here by Irongeek
But then the would not be true 802.11B (or G) and would not work with folks APs, which I'm pretty sure they are ment to.
802.11B (or G) is the standard, that tells the manufacture what the freqs have to be, power, protocol and all stuff like that to make it a 802.11 complient device
i2c
Heres an interesting link to a Gameboy Advance running Unix 5th Edition: http://www.kernelthread.com/publications/gbaunix/
I believe that because of human nature things will run/do things that they were not intended to do. You guys remember that watch that had Linux on it, because these hand held game systems keep having faster and faster processors it only makes sense. I saw an ad in Super Street the other day for some sort of software and link cables to turn the a Gameboy Advance into a tool for tuning, data logging, and diagnostics on a car!
http://turboxs.com/Dtec/dtec.shtml
I know this thread is getting old, but there is some news:
The price point for the DS will be $150. For that much it should be a fun item to pick up and play with. Hope it will be easier to modify then a console, I'd love to be able to run Linux apps on it. I got this link off of Slashdot:
http://planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=5631
IronGeek gets todays Common Sense Prize..... Congratulations......
The thought of the manufacturer attempting to create an entirely new wireless infrastructure in competition with the already emerging one is preposterous. The big companies really did learn from the VHS/BetaMax "wars".... ;)
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Poopie... I tried to green you iron but I have to spread them around.... Guess I have to go find a couple of trolls or idiots......
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Pfft, if this were true, there wouldn't be two DVD standards now would there? There also wouldn't be two upcoming next gen standards in HD-DVD and BluRay, nor would there be the smattering of different 802.11 specs (a, b, g, h?). For every idea developed for technology by a group of people, there will always be another group of people who think they can do it better differently.Quote:
Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
The big companies really did learn from the VHS/BetaMax "wars".... ;)
At any rate, how is this any different from the $100 palms or pocketPCs that you can smack a wireless card into? IMO a PDA is already setup to be infinitely more useful for computing than a gameboy ever will. I mean, no doubt it will be done, but as for its practicality for use it's rather limited.
What PDA with Wi-fi card and a color screen is $150?
I doubt it will, but a problem I see with hacking gameboy devices is that they have such a rubbbish user input - two buttons and a joypad.... not exactly great really,
now if it had a stylus and touch screen at that price then we're cooking with gas, if its just the standard nineteno handheld game console buttons then it could get fustrating,
I bet by the time it hits the UK they'll of added an extra £50 at least...good old england...
i2c
The DS does, at least the touch screen.Quote:
Originally posted here by i2c
now if it had a stylus and touch screen at that price then we're cooking with gas, if its just the standard nineteno handheld game console buttons then it could get fustrating,
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from what i heard, the anti-wifi hack system included on the DS is very bad. Easily crackable, after all, they are marketing these things to kids. Cant wait to hack into mobile internet phones for free online gaming on my ds! as for the PSP, from what I have heard, they are marketing these things to older computer geeks, so hello mega-regulations!
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