Only in California

What's up with this? And why isn't the ACLU coming forward to protect the "rights" of the police officers to enforce the law? GRRRR!

http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Storie...428344,00.html

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The Oakland Tribune reports that police in that California city have been forced to stop putting up DUI checkpoints because Latinos complained they were snagging too many undocumented guests.

The checkpoints, in which officers demand drivers licenses and proof of insurance, have snagged dozens of illegal immigrants who are “not licensed to drive yet otherwise obey the law,” the paper says.

The department has agreed to a moratorium on the checkpoints until guidelines can be drawn up that would presumably only allow police to enforce drunk driving laws and not any others.

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Why are we protecting illegal imigrants in a consistent fashion? The real manipulators and power plays are in dealing with this issue. I for one don't like the checkpoints, reminds me of the Soviet Socialist Republic. But the reason they are stoppping them IS NOT American rights, it for the rights of citizens here ILLEGALLY. And Arnald who touts himself as a conservative is right there with em. Making deals to protect those who have no drivers license, or passport or visa.

WTF? If it was some chinese doing that they would be in prison or any other race for that matter! The only reason I think Arnold does such things like this is because of the "large" hispanic community. If he didn't he would probably be capped and oh no nobody wants to upset those people. And doesn't this open the door to more terrorist threats? ah wtf!?! just thoughts

Road > First, Arnold was against it, then he was working on getting it amended, and now he seems to have finally vetoed it (http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/1043261.html).
He's still in favor, apparently... just didn't think the security-aspect of it was covered sufficiently.

In Florida, Jed Bush is about to make it possible...

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SACRAMENTO -- Citing security concerns, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday carried out his long-standing threat to veto legislation that would have allowed illegal immigrants to obtain drivers' licenses.

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ahh thats better, I started to freak out lol.

I'm telling ya, these guys are liberals in many many ways. Don't know why the left is so bent on eliminating them. All soft on borders with Mexico and language issues and giving amnesty to illegal aliens. I am forming a new party, the Common Sense for America party or the American People Front not to be confused with the Peoples Front of America.

Come to this country, buy a house have kids, salute the flag. Do it legally and I am your brother. If mexico is that bad, use your energy to enact revolution and resist corruption.

//EDIT The fight is not over the left needs the constituents .... Arnald was flip floping on this the whole time, if given the right "incintive" I think he may have swung the other way, who knows but he's weak in an area I consider important.

"We have passion. We have patience. We have time," added Cedillo, a Los Angeles Democrat who pushed the measure, AB 2895.

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Originally posted here by RoadClosed
Why are we protecting illegal imigrants in a consistent fashion? The real manipulators and power plays are in dealing with this issue. I for one don't like the checkpoints, reminds me of the Soviet Socialist Republic. But the reason they are stoppping them IS NOT American rights, it for the rights of citizens here ILLEGALLY. And Arnald who touts himself as a conservative is right there with em. Making deals to protect those who have no drivers license, or passport or visa.

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You must remember Road, that a good portion of the work on farms throughout California relies on cheap labor from Mexico. They keep prices cheap because they are paid minimum wage. To really crack down on this will "supposivly" hurt farmers and others (as well as drive up prices for American labor) who rely on cheap and illegal labor from Mexico. There has got to be a lot of behind the scenes lobbying for protection of these people.

Road conservatives out west for all of there talk love illigals. The econamy of many western states could not function without the near slave labor that the illigals provide, so while they will talk tough abotu stoping illigal imagration its in there best interests to keep it running.

Well those guys can go F themselves. :) Btw I live in Colorado. While not as bad as California there are issues here, I can go miles without even seeing an English sign in some areas. I know it's not an easy issue but hey, the guy hanging out in a doorway drinking a forty while I was at lunch can go take up the slack. Me not buying any produce from Cali would help as well. In California the hispanic voters are the MAJORITY and only a few of them get the big picture. A president that "really" stands on border issues could make a difference - that is until the ACLU stops them. But we have a liberal president and an even more liberal challenger.

From the stranger than fiction end, mho. Illegal immigrants. Let 'em in, let 'em work, let 'em go back home wealthy - here's why:

1. Illegal immigrants usually work in positions the average American doesn't want. If I ever hear of a Doctor, Attorney, or *gasp* Congressman being an illegal immigrant, I might fuss about it. In the meantime, they're driving up our labor force skills and requiring us to be more knowledgeable about our work. Good competition never hurt.

2. Illegal immigrants *still* have social security and federal taxes withdrawn from their wages - this means they're contributing to a social program from which they can *never* draw anything back. This means more sugar in the bowl for the rest of us. Hand 'em faked papers with false work visas. Let them donate coin for my retirement and yours.

3. The people who're actually fussing about these immigrants coming forth and taking these 'bottom end' jobs are those who are either a - not motivated to improve themselves, or b - too stupid to improve themselves, or c - idiotic rednecks. Since I tend to be a very strong advocate of 'stupidity should be painful' and laziness is just stupid.....

4. The hispanic population in the United States is very close to becoming the largest minority. This is already true in Texas where I live, and it's true elsewhere. The african americans around here raise hell about it because they're no longer getting laws passed just for their benefit, and their representation within our government is rapidly dwindling while the hispanic side increases rapidly. Perhaps this will put an end to affirmative action and other racial oriented laws, and put us all once again on an equal footing. If it takes allowing an illegal immigrant couple to enter the US and have children who are then *legal citizens* here, so be it. Now this might be my own slightly racist upbringing coming forth here, but I've honestly never seen a stupid redneck burn a cross in a hispanic's yard. Perhaps even they can get along with our hispanic populace?

5. They have the best food besides Cajun that I've ever eaten. When combined with our own culture cuisine, the outcome (tex-mex) just rocks. Yes, this is a stupid reason, but this is my post, and my opinion. Feel free to disagree if this is the only thing you can disagree with.

6. One of the funniest things I see these days involving Hispanics is when my good friend who happens to be a full blood Cherokee, is approached and spoken to in Spanish. He speaks only american, and becomes quite offended. The hilarity in this is that he himself cannot see the physical similarities between the two races while everyone else seems to have that ability. Ok, how does this apply to illegal immigrants? Well, I'm not sure here but let's see - they look like some of us, they work as hard as or harder than some of us, they're just trying to make a living like we are, raising families and feeding them, and improving their lives, and they're contributing to our society with culture, cuisine, and money. We waste how many millions trying to stop them at the borders? Why not let them in for free into our 'great melting pot' ?

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The people who're actually fussing about these immigrants coming forth and taking these 'bottom end' jobs are those who are either a - not motivated to improve themselves, or b - too stupid to improve themselves, or c - idiotic rednecks.

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Ok I agreed on your statements but this one I have to say something about! Well did you ever consider some people who have lost their job to -**cough**- bush, the war, terrorism, outsourcing.............and need those jobs? uhm? Yes of course A through C exists but the people who have lost their jobs that I have said before are also crying out! This is not only in our country::::

http://www.fpa.org/newsletter_info25...l%20Immigrants
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/eu...n.illegals.02/

and so on! Also what disgusts me is the ignorance of some of these "new" immigrants- not knowing/learning/speaking English when needed! My father, when he came to this country, did not know how to speak an ounce of English but he learned and respected the truth that people didn't know his language. Another example is my chinese friend who, when I first meet didn't speak English, now speaks respectable. Working in my friends restaurant/at school/vacation etc many of these people expect you to speak their language and don't even try to reach a common ground! Of course this is not all of them but most! This reason most of all will degrade us overall! Just thoughts!

Kurt you bring up and interesting point. The same people who Bash bush, applaud the "doom" of the economy, wage war on outsourcing and complain about every thing possible.... support giving illegal immigrants drivers licenses, health care, welfare and the like. AND they call them UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS to twist their version of "newseak" upon us.

They don't come here and get rich and go back to their origins. And even when some do there are millions here, filling hospitals, driving cars without knowing how to read signs, and generally just pushing our culture aside. Hell some of us tried for decades to stop road blocks and a few of them get caught driving with NO license, NO insurance, and having NO visa or ANY documention of any kind on the road in cars and OMG, these checks have to be stopped imediately. **** Americans and their constitition. It's about the ability of illegals to go undetected that is important. I cannot support that.

So what is wrong with tightening a border and letting them in with proper identification and educating someone on how to drive before they get on the road with a car full of kids? And why to the mexican people continue to support corruption in their police and government. With all the money being made here and HUGE celebrities and business men who are extemely wealthy and hispanic, I don't see why it continues. Unless they as a people want it too.

I firstlined my previous post 'stranger than fiction' for a reason. I'm a conservative. I usually vote independent, but in this election I'm backing Bush. Yet for all the conservatism in me I can't see a reason to keep fighting illegal immigration. Ok, they pack up cars and ignore our laws, fail to learn our language and fill our hospitals. Let's address these one at a time, shall we?

Packing up cars and ignoring our traffic laws - eventually they get caught and deported, or caught and jailed if the traffic offense merits it, then deported after. It's a heftier price than you pay for running a stopsign or speeding now isn't it? Let's add to that by saying that in paying whatever fines they're awarded for such recklessness, they're contributing to our community, yet they can never draw from our social programs to reap the benefits. (read my bit on income tax and social security - same thing)

Fail to learn our language - I have to agree absolutely on that. If folks are going to live here, let them please learn to speak American. We don't ask for perfect english, but at least enough to qualify at the 'stupid redneck' level... Amazingly enough, most countries do teach english in their public school systems. Does this mean we're receiving the dregs from them?

Filling our hospitals - I'm curious if you've looked at the large number of uninsured American citizens that fill our hospitals these days? Amazingly enough, as many as 4 of 5 people visiting ER's in the US are uninsured, and have no means to pay. This burdens up the rest of us by causing the hospitals to attempt to recoup their costs by overbilling those of us who are insured - upping our insurance premiums in the process. It's my huge argument for socialized medicine that cannot be shot down - (yes, I still oppose that but that's completely offtopic). Back to our immigrants - The neighborhood I lived in prior to my recent move was mostly hispanic. Of my neighbors, I counted exactly two that were US citizens. The neighborhood was clean, well kept, and free of crime. Children didn't fear to walk the sidewalks or play outside, nor did their parents fear for them. Those who lived there paid their bills, paid their (reasonably high) rent on time, and rarely had economic problems. I couldn't have asked for better neighbors, other than the language barrier (since I speak a small amount of Spanish, and a few of them spoke some American, even this was overcome).

You say they say '**** Americans and their constitution' yet they come here for the better way of life. Dude, it's the old story about the Irish immigrant of the 1910's coming over, getting a job sweeping streets, and building an empire. Same tale, just different main characters in it. There was a time when we didn't patrol our borders, when anyone who wanted to come here and had the means to get here was welcomed to pursue the American Dream on their own. "Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses." This same ideology could and should be applied today. Were it not for the corruption in their own country's government, I'm quite sure the Mexican territories would have applied for statehood years ago. Puerto Rico has, has been refused, and still continually applies. The last time they were shot down was because someone in Congress argued that the 51 stars would look awkward on our flag. Someday I hope they succeed.

Kurt - agreed, there are some who've lost their jobs for whatever reason... I hope the ex-Enron execs are happy at MacDonald's because nobody else would hire them, or an illegal immigrant got their jobs. In the meantime, I hope our society of displaced workers trains harder, learns more, smartens up quite a bit, and gets a better job for which an illegal immigrant cannot qualify.

Let's do away with all political borders. Adioas, See ya, I am off to find a flat in Amsterdam. Oooh better yet a boat house on a secluded canal. :)

I didn't say anything about people coming here with the **** American comment. I say that me, along with other groups have tried for 10 years or so to get the courts to put some limitations on how and when cops can arbitrarily stop people for NO REASON, other than they are on the road during a holiday. THEN, out of the blue some illegals get caught and BAM the courts stop it. ??????? So it makes me say what the hell is happening here. As for the Irish imigrant... to my knowledge they didn't sneak in and NOT process through imigrations. As stated, do that your my brother. All I am asking is "hey muchachos", get a green card man. No green cards? Please wait, if people stop comming here illegally perhaps there will be a million more green cards to pass around eh....

It's not the same tale. It's a new one. If you get in a car, at least have a drivers license some education and be able to READ. As for all the other arguments... put back some taxes into the economy that supports you.

I didn't think the peurto ricans wanted state hood? I'll look into that. The are a US territory though with US issued passports, Citizenship and congressional delegates. I'll look into congressional archives.

Please note my difference between a legal alien and one who is not here by legal means and posess no form of Identification.

Peace

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..yet they come here for the better way of life.

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Is that the honest truth or the media's words? Not downing your argument |3lack|ce, just something to ponder!

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Let's do away with all political borders. Adioas, See ya, I am off to find a flat in Amsterdam. Oooh better yet a boat house on a secluded canal.

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lol. I'll go to some place in the German Alps that is only reachable by trail.

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Originally posted here by kurt_der_koenig
Ok I agreed on your statements but this one I have to say something about! Well did you ever consider some people who have lost their job to -**cough**- bush, the war, terrorism, outsourcing.............and need those jobs? uhm? Yes of course A through C exists but the people who have lost their jobs that I have said before are also crying out! This is not only in our country::::

http://www.fpa.org/newsletter_info25...l%20Immigrants
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/eu...n.illegals.02/

and so on! Also what disgusts me is the ignorance of some of these "new" immigrants- not knowing/learning/speaking English when needed! My father, when he came to this country, did not know how to speak an ounce of English but he learned and respected the truth that people didn't know his language. Another example is my chinese friend who, when I first meet didn't speak English, now speaks respectable. Working in my friends restaurant/at school/vacation etc many of these people expect you to speak their language and don't even try to reach a common ground! Of course this is not all of them but most! This reason most of all will degrade us overall! Just thoughts!

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Here, here!!!

<rant> I couldn't have said it better, Thank you. I also have to give Roadclosed some credit here as well. Let them in legally, with proper education, drivers license, the ability to read and write our language, then... and only then will I respect their roll in our society. As for uneducated "rednecks" for whom so ever you are referring to. Most of the "uneducated rednecks" I know are some very fine people, they work very hard to make a living, and I would rather them to be my neighbor as some law breaking, scum sucking, job stealing, government protected, illeagal immigrant. I moved to the midwest from California to get away from these issues, and idiots, now my city here is filling with these wetbacks, 5 years ago they would have been hung by our "uneducated rednecks"</rant>

Whew! I'll be ok, I need to lower my temperature. This really stuck a nerve, I am sorry. :eek:

Frankly, it's simply unconstitutional.....

You can't place a roadblock on a road in America and then search everyone you stop because you feel like it..... period!

I really don't give a rats ass what your motivation is, it's illegal.

Nothing more needs to be said.

That is not the case though Tiger..... undoubtedly I agree but it took finding some illegals to envoke the wrath of those in power NOT the constitution. Can't go finding illegals can we?? In fact that is only one state that has suspended them. Almost every state has had courts say it IS constitional because it's a public road and there is JUST cause to believe that motorists on holiday at 2am might be drunk. I say it's like the KGB setting up corridors with regulated travel granted as appropriate. I hate it. Probability = probible cause at random? I don't think so.

My state enacted the practice to the applause of both liberals and conservatives, but definitely mostly conservatives. They are misguided by their own sense of morality.