negging a thread

As a result of the last thread that was closed here, and upon a seconding of the motion from another member..I am offering this suggestion. If people have a problem with a thread, and want it closed, they should be able to assign negative antipoints to the overall health of the thread. It's kind of what the antipoints system is designed to do when you assign points to a person, but in some cases, people neg individuals without merit or reason in an attempt to kill a thread they want closed. This damages the integrity of a system that should show an indivual's rating. This rating should reflect what other members think of said individual's ability, knowledge and helpfulness. It should not be used in any manner other than that. Assigning negative points to a person in order to close a thread can effectively ban an undeserving individual. I know there is a "report" button but this touches on the ability to "self moderate" that people are touting.
So, long story short, add a thread antipoint button, so that people can assign points (positive or negative) to a thread and NOT an undeserving person.

i think this would be a good idea, can't wait to see it implemented ;)

Hey Hey,

Glad to see you posted the idea Hog... It's definately a worthwhile suggestion and something that deserves implementation.... Anyways... this post is just to show my support... if it makes any difference.

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I was going to create a seperate thread for this, but it kind fits along with it.. Next to the 'Assign APs to this Thread' button, could we have a Report this thread button. We have a report this post button... but there's no button to report the entire thread... which again in the thread that Hog is refering too would have been very useful.

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Peace,
HT

I am going to have to say, that this is a good idea.

It helps kill the many threads that I will probably start after a while. When someone makes me mad. It will make those threads easier to close.

Because a little math for you. If a someone with a full set of AP's decides they want to go off, on someone and get atleast 5 people to post to there thread, if they fully pos all those people. I will take a crap load of hits from people to have that thread shut down.

I know this because I did it in the past.
I took, a lot of hits to get my thread to go down.
Way more than any one person can do.

I think we should be able to adjust to 500 or 1000% when we neg whizkid2300. :D
I'd like to see this implemented.

I see merit in the idea. There are indeed times where it's not a particular poster, but the thread just isn't quality. Might not apply just to threads as severe as that last one either -- perhaps discussions that have outlived their usefulness or just don't really offer any real quality. Just a thought.

*edit* I just got myself thinking witht that last post (there's a scary thought) -- consider this: Perhaps something other than APs per se? Because you have crap threads like that last one, but other times you have decent threads that everyone reaches a conclusion and may agree it's time to close. Then, they could all do something to close it, but maybe something other than negging so it wouldn't have to take on a bad connotation.

Hmm...Or...We can just all ask Neg and MsM to close it. Also a good idea. :D

I actually would prefer the negging of a thread over the negging of a user. There are times when both are appropriate. In the recent example, JP's post in Site Suggestions, a few people were negged in hopes of getting the thread closed. For some this isn't a big deal but I have found that "mis-negging" or misassigned APs, when promised to be reversed, are often not. And this doesn't add to a person's experience here.

The ability to identify that a thread itself is bad, especially when it goes off course, would be a good alternative to this kind of behaviour.

I'll look into implementing this.

- h

Excellent idea hoggy. I'm hoping it get's implemented.

HTRegz: While reading your post I agreed with you with the exception of one thing -- If you can neg a thread by itself without negging a user, and you see that the thread is THAT bad of a thread that it needs to be reported, chances are it'll be negged into suicide anyways. By the time it get's to the mod's/admin's, it will have been negged into suicide via the self-moderation system of AntiPoints and the new (hopefully) feature of being able to neg the thread itself instead of a user.

I'm sorry if it's coming across that I'm putting down your idea. I just think it wouldn't be necessary.

I see that it has happened already................. A DAMN good idea IMVHO.

This is done. Notice the new link under the overall AP status line at the top of the page.

I will be adding a link to display the APs assigned to a thread, in order to provide some accountability for this function.

- h

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Excellent idea hoggy. I'm hoping it get's implemented.

HTRegz: While reading your post I agreed with you with the exception of one thing -- If you can neg a thread by itself without negging a user, and you see that the thread is THAT bad of a thread that it needs to be reported, chances are it'll be negged into suicide anyways. By the time it get's to the mod's/admin's, it will have been negged into suicide via the self-moderation system of AntiPoints and the new (hopefully) feature of being able to neg the thread itself instead of a user.

I'm sorry if it's coming across that I'm putting down your idea. I just think it wouldn't be necessary.

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Hey Hey,

In a lot of cases it isn't necessary.. but it's a feature that would be quite simple to implement in the existing system and would add to the overall functionality of the site... In cases like JPs thread... there was no post that needed to be reported... it was the thread itself that was bad and should have been reported.. It was extremely positive after several of the heavy hitters around here negged the hell out of it... and it wasn't going to change... That's a prime example of where the report this thread button should be located... Besides we're always told to report the thread if we have problems with it... at least this way that would be an option...

Peace,
HT

Hmm, nice feature... now another reason for more complaining.

Bleh, I didn't neg anyone in it. That's probably why, that and alot of other reasons I don't feel like mentioning.

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This is done. Notice the new link under the overall AP status line at the top of the page.

I will be adding a link to display the APs assigned to a thread, in order to provide some accountability for this function.

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:eek: @ how fast you get things done around here mnstrgrl, kudo's to you. I like the new feature by the by, it'll work to the benefit of AO IMO and I especially like seeing who negged the threads overall status. Will help to determine possible "thread killers" or something of that nature. Plus like mentioned, accountability. :)

HT > For now, I suggest that people just report the first post in a thread that needs reporting. You have the option to provide a Reason for the report, and you can always specify that it's the thread rather than the particular post that needs reporting.

If the need really is there and mnstrgrl really feels like it, maybe a Report This Thread button can be added.

mnstrgirl:

Not being critical or anything but the cut and paste is a tad too obvious when you leave in the "Last 10 AntiPoints you have received" at the top of the page.... ;)

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Damn Girl.... that's what I call service... I saw the "error" posted, went back to make sure I had the wording just right and "Bang" it had changed..... ;)

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Will assigning positive/negative points to a thread affect the 'user tends to assign' bar? I'm assuming it will?

Mel: You think too much..... and that isn't a criticism.. ;)

It's a good question though.... If you go around negging the clearly stupid threads and don't really get into the personal AP's then you could find yourself with the old, "you have to balance" messages... That could be an issue....

Yes, thread assignments will factor into your "tend to assign" total. I thought we removed the balance message though, is that not the case?

- h

mnstrgrl:

I don't know.... I'm a balanced kind of chap... So I don't see it... I saw it when I first joined but only once.... If you say it went it probably did....

Personal question: What does the "mnstr" stand for in mnstrgrl? I have a total mental block on what it means past "MonsterGirl"..... That just has to be wrong.... Help me... ;)

ministar.. muenster...monaster... It could be MonsterGrill, too.

mnstrgrl you the man..er mnstr!

So let me get this clarified.

if I neg a person in a thread, does it now affect the overall thread health?
If I neg a person in a thread, and the thread itself, how does that affect the thread health?
Is the thread basically a person now and if enough people neg the thread, it gets "banned"(closed)?
Can we test this out in a garbage thread somewhere?

I'm just trying to figure out where the balance of power is in the antipoints as it relates to threads.

Thanks for applying this change!

Correct me if I'm wrong...

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if I neg a person in a thread, does it now affect the overall thread health?

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The thread health ("The AntiPoint Status Of This Thread Is Currently: ... ") is now a combination of the two:
- The AntiPoints assigned to users/posts.
- The AntiPoints assigned to the thread itself.

So the answer is "yes".

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If I neg a person in a thread, and the thread itself, how does that affect the thread health?

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It would be like negging two different users/posts in that thread. The thread health would probably become "extremely negative".

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Is the thread basically a person now and if enough people neg the thread, it gets "banned"(closed)?

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Yes.

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Can we test this out in a garbage thread somewhere?

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I created this thread to test it out...

Edit: Also, you can neg your own thread... just a fyi before people ask the question :D

Yep it works.... :D , someone might want to go in and bring it back down a bit....lol

cheers

edit: that's like punching yourself in the snot locker...just don't upset your wives though, they can take your prized threads right out. :eek:

Think I found an oopsy.

I clicked on the link to assign APs to the thread to see how it looked, but didn't assign any. That was a while ago, and I was thinking now of trying it out, and when I clicked on the link to open it up and assign points to this thread, it said I can't do it more than once.

I checked and made sure, and looked at who gave APs to the thread, and I'm not there, so now I'm sure I haven't. I know I closed it but I thought maybe it did it by itself and gave APs from me just by opening it, but It hasn't done either.

So it might work, but if you don't assign APs the first time you click on the link, you can't at all.

The behavior of APs assigned to users has not changed, and will still effect the health of a thread. The purpose of this new option is to allow you to assign APs to a thread without having to smack a user at the same time.

And, for the curious, mnstrgrl = monster girl

Edit: I fixed the bug that gore pointed out. It wasn't that you had simply opened the AP window that caused the "same post" error message. It was that you had already assigned points to a user in this thread. Now you'll be able to do both, assign to a user in the thread and assign to the thread itself. I think that's the way this should work. If you guys disagree, let me know.

- h

Monster as in..... You like Horror? Or you work for Monster.com?



I'd like everyone to remember this new feature you all seem to love the next time people start bitching that the mods and JUP don't care about this place when whoever it may be starts a thread bitching about AO.

Think back to this, and think back to every other time someone asked for a new feature that was something everyone liked, and how in 20 minutes they had it ready for us. Just remember it the next time before you open another thread saying JUP are dick heads.

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And, for the curious, mnstrgrl = monster girl

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Is it just me that finds that kind of "unflattering"?

I see a small problem. The point of assigning antipoints to a thread is to be able to kill the thread without necessarily killing the poster or negging good posters. How many times does a thread start out on a constructive or informative note...only to steadily decline after the thread goes way off topic, becomes hijacked, etc? If big-hitters give the thread positive points....then later if/when the thread goes to hell we won't be able to "correct" the thread with enough negative points to kill it (since, obviously, you can't assign points twice to the same thread). Then we will be back to the same old way (of some users) giving negative assignments to undeserving people just to kill the thread.

It might be more beneficial, and less complicated, to just be able to negatively assign points to a thread. Now that we can scale our positive points we really don't have a reason we would not want to give positive points to a deserving person, no? And those positive points would still be reflected as the thread being positive as well.

The name came from a joke with a friend a long time ago, related to a Godzilla movie. So it's not related to horror exactly (but I do love a good horror movie).

Whether the name is unflattering, or apt, or just silly depends how well you know me and on what kind of a day you catch me on ;)

- h

mnstrgrl, I really think that you should leave a legacy to the code by adding Monster Positive when a thread is a lot more that just extremely positive! :)

I agree with math girl. I actually had already thought of that but I figure almost all senior members have enough common sense with stuff like that... Ex: everyone greens each other to keep a thread open long enough to get enough negs into one member to ban them. There's a decent show of intelligence. But still - I totally agree that it should be for negging only.

One other thing i dont know how hard it would be to remove or if its a big enough issue is maybe take out the "contact luser about this assingment". Its not realy necesary even in post AP's since we can see who is handing them out and go from there with a PM

LOL

Looks like it isn't vulnerable to ' injection...

You have JP to thank for checking that out. :D

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