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hello

webmail is the best for security and privacy, right?

im here to ask you what to use! i always used http://www.email.pt but im sure there are some special webmail sites with new options or things that others don't have, does anyone know?

i hate microsoft (of course) but there is something that i think i must give up... not using msn messenger! thats it... everyone has it, my friends, etc. I KNOW that i don't need to use the bad microsoft software from http://www.msn.com or whatever, i will use amsn (for linux and windows). now i have a question... you can log-in with a .net password, you don't need a hotmail account!!! (most people don't know) just go to http://www.passport.com

so my real question is, what webmail to chose?
hotmail?

1- i think it's the only one that the msn messenger (i mean, amsn, etc) can count the emails and display if there are new ones.
2- it works with the messenger! lots of things that you can do if you use both!
3- i think it is the most used around the whole world.

but...
does it work well in linux, i mean, with mozilla firefox?

what i really wanted was privacy... maybe i should use something from a [PUT_BAD_WORDS_HERE] country, for example use a webmail from russia? japan? or whatever, hehe this sounds a bit stupid. but for example if the three letters agencies want to investigate and access your email, whats the best to avoid that?

thats all, i really don't know if i should sign up with hotmail, i think that i need a .net passport to use the messenger and as i said it i don't know how it works if you register without a hotmail account, for example what happens when you click the "new emails" button hehe, or "go to inbox"

thanks for your time!

I don't consider any public webmail as private.

If you want to maximize your privacy, you should consider running your own mail server.

Remember that even tho you may read your webmail via https, its still sent and delivered in
clear text in most cases.
Your email has probably been viewed by many more people than you think.

Running your own server can help minimize the eyes on your mail.
There are many free mail servers and costs would be minimal.

Is messenger integration an absolute requirement?

What about yahoo/yahoo messenger since you say you hate Microsoft..??

thanks fo your replay.

i didn't want to think about those other options like my own server hehe, i know it's better and its a good replay to what i asked but... lets try to keep things simple, use a web mail.

i know there isn't much privacy, i will use a proxy and maybe encrypt my emails and send them as files, but thats something that for now i don't want to discuss.

well, as i said, i hate microsoft but almost all my friends are using he messenger! thats why i need the msn one, no the yahoo.

"absolute requirement" well... i think its great to have things to work together, and, hotmail with msn messenger works great! as i said, i need to know how the passport and the messenger works if you register with another email.
i got two ideas:

1- everyone uses hotmail! so its very hard to keep track and view private information of one single user.
2- hotmail.com is from microsoft and they keep their records very clear so that the local polico, fbi or whatever you want to call can view your emails and access your account.

please replay to my original message, thanks!

Hotmail works fine with Molilla in Linux.

There is no native MSN Messenger for Linux.

Just knockoffs like the one you mentioned.


Your passport account will mean nothing to non hotmail webmail accounts.
None that I know of anyway.

If you must use MSN Messenger to keep up with your friends, well then use MSN Messenger. But if you don't wish to use hotmail or yahoo, then you could try googles gmail and by using Mozilla Firefox, gmail, and the gmail notifier ( a Firefox extension), it will notify you when you have new mail.

gmail... isn't what only for people who have been invited? what about other web mails
is there any other special?
what about the using one from another country? is it safer, more privacy?
i didn't get any replay to my main questions heh

thanks!

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Originally posted here by thing0
gmail... isn't what only for people who have been invited? what about other web mails
is there any other special?
what about the using one from another country? is it safer, more privacy?
i didn't get any replay to my main questions heh

thanks!

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You had several questions.

Webmail from another country?
safer? no
more privacy? no

Why would you think it would be more safe and/or private?

Thingo:

Security of anything begins with what it is you are trying to protect. The more valuable the thing you are trying to protect the more resources you expend to protect it and the smaller you make that ring of trust.

If you are trying to hide the fact you have a girlfriend from your wife then it's probably going to be easier than if you are a terrorist trying to evade the Feds while you plan your next mission.

Since it's difficult to determine what it is you are trying to protect and why from your messages you will find that you will get a lot of answers that don't fit your parameters. Would you care to be a little more specific with the details of what and why and I'm sure you will find an appropriate answer.

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Why do I get the horrible feeling you are up to no good?

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because the local police would have to talk and do things with another country to see my emails or access my account, sometimes they just can't mess with things that are hosted in another place.

Well don't be too naive.
Given the proper motivation, even your local police are happy to involve not so local friends
to pursue one worth hunting down...even his email.

Maybe kimjongllfreeemail.com :)

As far as Webmail goes... I agree that your own
server for sending e-mail is great, but unless you
have the ability to send mail direct via port 25
you will be just spining wheels... or if you own
your own mail server(s) like me and your ISP
is a nice guy....
Just remember e-mail is not sent encripted
under normal means... The next best
way I see if there is a server to server and
user to server encription that is invisible
to the normal user.....

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I agree that your own
server for sending e-mail is great, but unless you
have the ability to send mail direct via port 25
you will be just spining wheels...

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Er.... That's what a mailserver does.... Sends SMTP traffic to port 25 on the destination server.

Actually, unless your netblock is on the RBL then you can use your own computer to send mail directly to many target mail servers anywhere.... Just tell it that the SMTP server for your client is the MX server for the outbound connection. Your client does nothing different than your ISP's mail server when it makes the transaction.

So you can cut out the "middle man"

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Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
So you can cut out the "middle man"

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Unless your ISP is blocking outbound port 25 connections from you.
This practice is getting more and more popular.

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Unless your ISP is blocking outbound port 25 connections from you.

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Get a better ISP.... ;) Mine allows inbound and outbound.... However, it's netblock is RBLed by many of the bigger ISP's..... So I bounce outbound off work... Which I still control... ;)

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Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
Get a better ISP.... ;) Mine allows inbound and outbound.... However, it's netblock is RBLed by many of the bigger ISP's..... So I bounce outbound off work... Which I still control... ;)

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Not sure if it's a matter of better or worse ISP wise. I don't mind that they block outgoing port 25 connections although I'm not sure I see any proof that it's helping the spam problem much.
I have no need for outbound port 25 connections.
But if I did, I would not use an ISP which blocked those connections.

Interesting you brought up RBL's as getting their IP blocks listed was a main motivator
for the port 25 blocking for many a ISP.

I too have had to bounce mail off another after having to use IPs previously listed.

HATE that!!

SS2: Comcast's netblock is RBLed... AOL use the RBL, Roadrunner uses it too.... From home I don't deal with many people on either ISP but 90% of my sweeties family is on one or the other... Thus she can't communicate with them if we go outbound from my mailserver.... Thus I get "earache".... Thus I bounce off my work netblock.... ;)

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Originally posted here by ss2chef
I don't consider any public webmail as private.

If you want to maximize your privacy, you should consider running your own mail server.

Remember that even tho you may read your webmail via https, its still sent and delivered in
clear text in most cases.
Your email has probably been viewed by many more people than you think.

Running your own server can help minimize the eyes on your mail.
There are many free mail servers and costs would be minimal.

Is messenger integration an absolute requirement?

What about yahoo/yahoo messenger since you say you hate Microsoft..??

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I donot agree with you, well providing your own webmail solutions might not provide you with enough security.

You can protect your server with cisco 510e firewall or others and managing it is pretty difficult.

If you have enough money to provide

1. dedicated server or colocated server

2. a powerfull firewall

3. antivirus solutions

4. an webmail program.

Kinda difficult, I say u use either Excite or yahoo Mail which is far secure than others today,