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Personally I think its great what Walmart is doing.
They say Walmart sells 1 in 5 retail CDs... thats a HUGE chunk of the RIAA's business.
What do you think will happen if Walmart decides that they don't want to sell CDs anymore?
Most of Wal-Marts CD's are considerably less than anywhere else anyway. I just bought the new Tim McGraw CD for ~$14 instead of $18-$20 at a record store. I wondered how long they could continue to take that kind of financial hit before they did something about it. I'm sure they're not losing money, but still...it's nice to have one of the "big guys" fighting this battle too. They have more clout than you, me and the rest of AO combined.
Now if they would just do something about only selling "radio" versions of all the CD's. :rolleyes:
I agree. I don't care much for edited versions. But, legally speaking... since you already own a copy of it, can't you just download the songs that have been editied?
I understand that they want to keep it "family oriented"... but they can just ID people who try to buy the explicit versions? I'm 24 and I get carded at Borders for trying to buy a CD that has the "Parental Advisory" sticker on it. Heck... at Walmart... I get carded for buying Dayquill... why don't they just do the same for their CDs?
Thats one thing I don't understand... You have to be 17 or 18 to buy a CD at Borders that has Parental Advisory sticker on it. But, AFAIK, anyone can buy any type of erotica books (not porn) or even the Kama Sutra.
Actually, as far as I can tell, none of the Tim McGraw CD is editted, but other CD's I've wanted to buy have been.
And I never really thought about it that way, but I guess since I already own the CD, it would pretty much take away any "illegality" of dl'ing another version of the same song.
And yes....it's amazing what kids can buy at the book store. We have Books-A-Million here, and although we go there quite regularly, and my son has a ton of books...I make dang sure I stay with him the whole time we're in the store, cause they have some very seriously adult books, with no kind of warning, and no kind of separation. Even if they don't buy the books, they're right there on the shelf where anyone can pick them up and thumb thru them. :eek:
I used to work for the second-biggest retailer world-wide (after Wal-mart), and you could see the effects of the retailer-supplier "wars" every day. The biggest war I remember was against Coca-Cola.
My company sold around 35% of all Coca-Cola in Belgium. Coca-Cola though had this policy where they literally rent store space from retailers: they deliver the goods themselves, they (try to) make sure there's enough stock, they set the prices. My company got tired of them (Coca-Cola demanded more and more facilities without wanting to pay more - in distribution there's a rule that says "every good that is not in the store, is actually making you loose money"; their sales representatives were responsible for taking the orders but rarely got it right,...), and tried to change this policy. It was pretty simple: either you let us take care of it, or we'll stop selling Coca-Cola.
Coca-Cola laughed at them and said "go ahead... we'll see how long you'll keep your customers if you don't sell Coca-Cola" and that was a mistake on their part: of course, they expected that customers would just switch stores ("if we can't get Coca-Cola in this store, we'll just go to another store that does sell Coca-Cola"). But customers didn't: they switched brands.
The analogy isn't perfect (since there isn't a real alternative to CD's), but still: I'm sure it'll be Wal-mart coming out of the battle victoriously. If Wal-mart would stop selling CD's, you'd immediately see a decline in CD sales. People who really really want a CD would drive across town to buy a CD, but not your average customer. If they can't find the CD they want at Wal-mart, they'll just walk out with something else (be it a CD that isn't overpriced, or a DVD or video game). Customer happy, Wal-mart happy, music industry not happy at all...
I won't buy CDs or music, or anything from Wal - Mart or K - mart.
I refuse too, I bought a CD once and it was edited, and I was like....What the ****? I took it back and said hey, this thing is edited, there are seriously whole parts too the song missing! Well, I didn't get my money back, because "Naughty words don't belong in music"..
That pissed me off. I brought the CD back 23 times saying it would skip so I got a new one. I didn't get my money back, but I costed them a **** load in replacing my CD every week. I'd have friends do it too so they wouldn't catch on.
I sometimes have to mail order CDs because the bands I listen too aren't exactly big, like when I bought Anal **** CDs, I had to mail order them.
I do shop at Best Buy, because they don't edit CDs or movies (Picked up The Zombie Holocaust DVD there) and I'll buy from FYE, because they don't either. I bought my last CD "Lords of Acid Vs. Detroit" for 9 dollars brand new at FYE. They usually are a little more there but this one was cheap. I haven't had a problem with either store, but again, the only time I'll buy something from WalMart or Kmart is when I'm very bored and feeling frisky.
Who the hell is someone too tell me what I should be hearing on a CD I paid for? This edited **** pisses me off. If they do it for the kids, then why the hell is the Parent letting them buy a CD like that anyway?
So... you're saying that artists nowadays have to record two versions of their albums?
"Ok Mr. Hetfield... we got that song on tape... now let's do the Wal-mart version... don't sing any nasty words, please... and oh, cut the last verse"?
Or is it Wal-mart personnel (excuse me: associates) that record the Wal-mart versions?
"Ok, Bob, today's your turn to play the guitar... it's the new Metallica... better practice a little on that solo... and make sure the version you record is shorter than the original one"?
Or maybe it's MixMaster Wally who gets the CD's from the record companies, then fires up Cubase and edits the CD? Or maybe he's lucky and the record companies give him the masters?
I'm not sure if I get it, Gore...
Tim McGraw actually has material that needs editting? :D Bleh, don't answer that.. that was rhetorical.Quote:
none of the Tim McGraw CD is editted,
They always have Negative. Although they don't call it the "Wal-Mart" Version. They call it the "Radio-Edit" version (or "Radio-Friendly"). Basically in short, the first one is what goes on. Just in different terms.Quote:
So... you're saying that artists nowadays have to record two versions of their albums?
Anyways, I only buy albums from artist's I REALLY like who I wouldn't mind giving up the however someodd dollars to support them as artist's and everything. The rest I'll download..
OK,
When I bought that CD from K-Mart, I took it home and listened too it. There were entire parts of it missing that had been taken out, and I was pissed about it. I doubt they record two versions, I'm not sure how Both stores edit CDs though. It was edited and had entire parts of it missing, and not just swearing.
I took it back and told them I wanted my money back because I wasn't paying for something that had words taken out and was Censored, and they said the **** about Naughty words in music. So I couldn't get a refund.
Now that's something else... What you're talking about is almost exclusively limited to singles. Artists will indeed record a different version (or have someone make one) to make it radio-friendly - there's no point in doing that for something that's not going to be a single. In Belgium, they'd make sure it's not longer than 4 minutes, but I guess in The Land of Freedom it's a "cleaned-up" version. Lots of singles have the original version plus a radio-edit on them.Quote:
They always have Negative. Although they don't call it the "Wal-Mart" Version. They call it the "Radio-Edit" version (or "Radio-Friendly"). Basically in short, the first one is what goes on. Just in different terms.
But what Gore basically was saying is that a given album bought at Wal-mart differs from that same album bought at Best Buy, and I don't buy that...
gore: You know the sticker Explicit Content? It doesn't just mean swearing. It means anything that basically is... well, explicit. Catch me? They do record two versions. One is not editted at all and the other takes out anything explicit about the song.
No... they have to create two versions anyway. The radio edit and the normal cd. Walmart just chooses not to stock CDs that have the Parental Advisory sticker on them. Many artists will do this so any group can listen to them. More sales for them... Some bands don't give a **** and only release one copy. Like the MTV crowd... they hear all this rap crap on MTV and want the CDs, but their parents don't want them listening to all the cuss words, smack my bitch up, shoot your mom, etc. So, they have a version that "responsible parents" might let their kids listen to.Quote:
Originally posted here by Negative
So... you're saying that artists nowadays have to record two versions of their albums?
"Ok Mr. Hetfield... we got that song on tape... now let's do the Wal-mart version... don't sing any nasty words, please... and oh, cut the last verse"?
Or is it Wal-mart personnel (excuse me: associates) that record the Wal-mart versions?
"Ok, Bob, today's your turn to play the guitar... it's the new Metallica... better practice a little on that solo... and make sure the version you record is shorter than the original one"?
Or maybe it's MixMaster Wally who gets the CD's from the record companies, then fires up Cubase and edits the CD? Or maybe he's lucky and the record companies give him the masters?
I'm not sure if I get it, Gore...
My son is 9. He listens to popular radio, and he gets an allowance. Personally, I'm glad I can take him to Wal-Mart and let him purchase the music he wants to listen to. I just think it would be nice if they carried both versions of albums.
Surely now Gore, you're not suggesting I censor his musical taste?
I have proof in my closet. I have two of the exact same CD. One from K-Mart and one from Best buy. The one from K-Mart has entire sections of it missing, and the one from Best Buy has all the CD on it and the swearing.Quote:
Originally posted here by Negative
But what Gore basically was saying is that a given album bought at Wal-mart differs from that same album bought at Best Buy, and I don't buy that...
One example that's easy too see:
Rob Zombie, the first CD he released solo, the K-Mart version has no Pentagram on it, and the X on his head is missing, and the book is different, the version of that CD I bought at Best Buy has all of that and a different booklet with more in it.
The firs Limp Bizkit CD is the same, the part at the end of the first song where Fred is screaming into the Mic, they don't have that in the Kmart version, the volume just drops at that point and you hear nothing, then it start the next song. The real version has him screaming into the Mic and you hear everything.
White Zombie - Super Sexy Swingin' Sounds,
Wal-Mart version has the edited **** plus the girl on the cover is in clothing even though you can't see anything anwyay. My copy is from Best Buy, she doesn't have the clothing they painted on the Wal Mart version, and the booklet is actually full.
The CDs are different Neggy, you buy one from Wal Mart or K mart, and it's edited and the CD booklet may be changed, and parts of the CD are gone. Buy the same CD from Best Buy or FYE and you have the whole CD, no edits.
I guess it doesn't make sense to me because it just doesn't make sense...
- Why would you create a radio edit of a complete CD - unless you make an album that only consists of number 1 hits, of course...
- If there really are two versions, they shouldn't call the second one "radio edit" - they should call it "cleaned up" version or something.
- You mentioned the "smack my bitch up" one, phish... I just don't understand how you'd make a "responsible parent" version of that. Smack my bleep up? Bleep my bleep up? Bleep Ble Bleep Ble? Or do they just change all the lyrics? "Smack my bitch up" becomes "Teddy bear loves me"?
I guess it's true, then.... How very very sad...
No, I'm going for the opposite. I don't think anyone should have the right to censor ANYONE'S taste in music. Heh, you may know this one:Quote:
Originally posted here by debwalin
My son is 9. He listens to popular radio, and he gets an allowance. Personally, I'm glad I can take him to Wal-Mart and let him purchase the music he wants to listen to. I just think it would be nice if they carried both versions of albums.
Surely now Gore, you're not suggesting I censor his musical taste?
Remember the band Jackyl? The song She loves my ****, that song isn't on most versions of the CD. You have too buy it from FYE or Best Buy. If you get it anywherre else you get a sticker on the CD saying "Cleaned up for your enjoyment". Which is crap. That song rocks. I'm not sure if "Down on me" is on there either.
Now your son being 9, it's up too you if you think he's matured to the level he can listen to some music that is violent without it getting too him. I don't like people saying you can't listen to some things on a CD, but for kids they are young and don't understand sometimes, so if a kid doesn't understand it's only a CD and not real, then well, wait untill he does.
I guess what I'm saying is:
If he is too young to understand what they are saying, or doesn't understand, then well, maybe wait a while, but if he's mature for his age which I believe you pointed out in another thread that he was, then he should be able to listen to whatever he wants too no matter what it is.
Heh, I won't post what I think of Tipper gore or her ******* idiot Husband. Even with the hide post option, it wouldn't be enough with what I think of those two. Heh, funny how I have to Censor myself because of what I think about those two people who want Censorship. Lol.
That would be like saying Sweet Home Alabama is a bad song because he could mean something else in the lyrics. Which is again, stupid.
No, they take the song right off the album as I stated with Jackyl.Quote:
Originally posted here by Negative
I guess it doesn't make sense to me because it just doesn't make sense...
- Why would you create a radio edit of a complete CD - unless you make an album that only consists of number 1 hits, of course...
- If there really are two versions, they shouldn't call the second one "radio edit" - they should call it "cleaned up" version or something.
- You mentioned the "smack my bitch up" one, phish... I just don't understand how you'd make a "responsible parent" version of that. Smack my bleep up? Bleep my bleep up? Bleep Ble Bleep Ble? Or do they just change all the lyrics? "Smack my bitch up" becomes "Teddy bear loves me"?
I guess it's true, then.... How very very sad...
If I may interject....
The bands record one version of the album.
The label then goes through it, and digitally edits the songs for radio/clean versions/etc.
The label then ships the appropriate versions to the appropriate stores, and sometimes both versions end up in the same store.
I used to work for an FYE subsidiary, and we would often get in two different copies of albums; one that was labeled "EDITED" across the top, and another that had the "Parental Advisory" label on the front. Two different albums, two different UPC codes. It all happens at the factory.
:p
I've never bought a CD from Wal-Mart, for the same reason that gore said. Every single CD that they have is either non-parental-advisory or edited.
Although I've heard that the version of Tool's Undertow that they stock isn't actually edited :) They just removed all the artwork in the booklet thingy. But since Tool is so cool, they put this inside so that you could order the real artwork :D
Best Buy is the best place to get CDs. They carry more of the stuff that I like. Still, a lot of the time I have to order from Amazon for the underground metal that I crave ;)