Writing Crap to get your # of Post up

I've noticed on AO that a lot of newcomers here have hit over 400 posts in less than a few months giving them the status of Antionline Senior Members. Now its not that I really care about status, but I find it stupid how someone can obtain a level of status that is suppose to say "hey here’s a person who knows something", but what they really did was post something lame or reply to a post with something stupid or something that didn't need to be said. If you wanted to show a senior member who has real status not someone who has too much free time on there hands, we need to change the way we rank people here. Look at me I've been here since 9-17-2001 and have only 350 +/- post. I believe the quality of the post needs to be judged in comparison to the rank of our members. People need to use there AO points more often and judge them on quality of the post, Attitude, Relevance, and Over all Helpfulness of the post and set a time limit on return AO points so that someone cant retaliate just because there where – points given. Now I’m not saying that everyone who has come here in the past few months and that made senior member hasn’t posted good post but there have been a few who have managed to slip threw the cracks. Its up to you, do you want a serious site that commits to helping people with security issues or is this site going to go down the tubes. I first came to this site in hopes to learn a few things about security and maybe add my 2 cents worth but the quality has dropped dramatically since then.

Hope I see some good posts to come…

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Originally posted here by ©opy®ight
After a while you build your own profile of the people here, and you kinda know who knows what he/she's talking about, and anyways, if we notice somebody posting **** all the time we neg them, so they'll either be a senior with 1 green dot (which tells you he's dumb) or banned..... :)

and what about you ? Posts: 349 and 2 dots, you seem to be one of those people you're ranting about....

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Dots and #'s don't mean ****, get over yourselves and move on.

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Originally posted here by Ghost_25inf
I've noticed on AO that a lot of newcomers here have hit over 400 posts in less than a few months giving them the status of Antionline Senior Members. Now its not that I really care about status, but I find it stupid how someone can obtain a level of status that is suppose to say "hey here’s a person who knows something", but what they really did was post something lame or reply to a post with something stupid or something that didn't need to be said.
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While I agree with much of your complaint, this is site suggestions. Was there a suggestion here, or just ranting?

Oh, by the way, don't mind Copyright, apparently you stepped on his internet toes:

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Registered: Aug 2004
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:rolleyes:

It's all about diarrhea of the mouth..er fingers.

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Originally posted here by ©opy®ight
***** it, i dont even know why i replied, these threads never end in a good discussion.....

bye bye

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No thread you participate in is a good discussion. You are a PRIME example of what Ghost is talking about, which is probably the reason you find yourself so insulted by the topic of this thread in the first place. Go back to GCC where you belong lamer.... you aren't even worthy of being on the same internet as most of the folks here.


chsh: Yeah, I'm flaming again... :D ....I can offer no excuse other than to say that ©opy®ight is a worthless troublemaker who is in need of extended therapy. He kinda reminds me of a "skid mark" on the bottom of the toilet....no matter how many times you flush he just won't go away.

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and what about you ? Posts: 349 and 2 dots, you seem to be one of those people you're ranting about...

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Ummmm no and I don't think you get it at all. He has been here for awhile.

Look around, I do nothing but point out something wrong I see with other's posts and make a total ass out of myself and most of the "respected senior members" and new-guys alike, they all attempt to reward me just because im the big ******* of AO that everyone seems to confuse as some kind of an interesting and funny character.

When I signed up with a new account I made a bunch of posts with phrases like poop and crap in it... within a week or two I was right back to where I was before as far as AP and posts go through basicly nothing but name recognition alone. One of the first posts I've posted in addicts with this account was dedicated to my own ass and the crap inside my toilet.

Ghost's initial post describes like 90% of the senior members at this site. And *all* of the new(er) ones - including myself. I still don't feel like I deserve any such title as "senior" cuz hell - I'm computer savvy but I'm no secuirty expert like some of the people I see around here. We've all been saying for a loooong time that post count and antipoints have absolutely nothing to do with the amount of knowledge or skill a particular member has. No amount of suggestions or rantings will change that. The only way to change how we recognize members that know wtf they're talking about just from looking at their profile information or whatever would be to add a whole 'nother level to our caste system - based completely on perceived knowhow. I personally don't think it's needed. There are several members that pop in like once a month (maybe) that know more than all but a few of the members that frequent this site and they may or may not be "senior" members but they're sure as hell respected.

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Originally posted here by ©opy®ight


and what about you ? Posts: 349 and 2 dots, you seem to be one of those people you're ranting about....

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No I just dont make it my life mission to please everyone, If they dont like what I have to say then they Neg me If they do and they dont give me greenies then my greenies stay low. Thats been the whole story here. only 2 greenies because people dont take the time to pass them to me or the ones I do get dont count if you are a Noobie, but thats not why im here and people please dont give me greenies just because of this post give them to me if I contribute to the better of this site. most posts I repy to are noobie questions and thats who gives me credit for my help. I really didn't mean to get a flame started here and yes chsh I did give a suggestion so I think I posted this in the right spot.


One more thing to add: Copywrite you are exactly the person I'm talking about been here since Aug 2004 and already addit. If you have been band twice from this site doesnt that tell you something like "We dont want you here"!

OK i'm getting old i guess, but i don't see any post of ©opy®ight in this thread.

People, tell me its just the beer of last weekend that ****ed me up ...

He deleted it, Shrekkie.

Cheers,
cgkanchi

No. He requested it to be deleted (I suspect he forgot that he could delete it himself).

That said, I don't see why people aren't using the feature that was given to them to deal with this issue: APs? As to the issue brought up, as I read through these posts people seem to think that you must be a pure security expert to add value here. I think that's a wrong assumption. We don't start out as "experts". There is value that can be added. Additionally, there are those that maintain their curiosity so they end up asking lots of questions (hence a high post count). Focusing on post count and APs is the wrong thing to focus on when judging the value of a person and what they bring here.

Why not look at their posts and judge them based on that? The adage of "Don't judge a book by it's cover" is very apropos. That said, I don't think this is a suggestion and am moving it to Questions about AO (for now)

oh , i was thinking sumtin like that, but my brain is still a few blocks behind :D

Cheers,

I agree with MsMitten's on this very strongly. I can't say how many times I have picked up info in the replies to a queation asked by someone new (Including myself). A lot of times, if the orginal question is based on a sincere interest in learning, and the person has put a lot of thought into how they post, I will award points for that.

Sometimes the person who asks the basic (I dont want to say stupid) question adds a lot to a discussion. While I don't think those people should skyrocket to "Senior Members" I do think they should "reward" for a good post. I guess sometimes it isn't WHAT they ask or reply, but HOW and why. Sometimes thought provoking is as important and technically savy.

For those who have made the "senior member" status and above, try and keep in mind that your posts reflect on the overall AO image. Some poster's do need to be flamed back to reality, no doubt about it, but I have seen far to many posts based on open contempt for those less mortals that aren't as well inform.

Cheers!
MrCoffee

MsMittens, can you delete 3/4 of my posts? k thnx (including this one).

Whether a system like the AP's is a useful/useless thing can really be discussed to no end.
I think, #posts, AP's and the profile-text do provide me with some information about
the quality (like level of curiosity, knowledge, skills, intelligence, ...) of a guy's posts.
But much more important, at least to me:
It happens to me regularily, that I want to green a post - but can't,
since I greened that member recently. THEN, I look at the writer of the post.
This gives me much more important information about the quality of that guy's
posts. At least in the limits of my "taste".

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MsMittens, can you delete 3/4 of my posts? k thnx (including this one).

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Uh. No. Takes too long. One post, ok fine. Having to hunt and peck to specifically delete 750+ posts, not reasonable IMO.

I understand :D. You can still be #1 in my heart.

What most people don't understand, and I'm at a loss why, is that the AP system is used to give you an *idea* about how the person is seen here. It's not intended to be the sole way to determine if a member pumps out (excuse the expression) horse ****. The only way to truly know the quality of the member's posts is to read a bunch of them and see how well they are written and how much useful/accurate information is contained within. Even this is a subjective method to a degree. Bottom line, as someone said, # of posts and snot dots are not extremely valuable in gauging member "leetness".

Make sense?

If a member has red dots are they still snot dots? Or are they just getting pummeled so much they get blood in their snot? Or is it something completely different?

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Originally posted here by thehorse13
What most people don't understand, and I'm at a loss why, is that the AP system is used to give you an *idea* about how the person is seen here. It's not intended to be the sole way to determine if a member pumps out (excuse the expression) horse ****.

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No offence TH, but the reason why is that the reason you just gave is total BS. Antipoints may have had something to do with the quality of posts in the past, but now it's more about who your friends are. Combine that with certain members who hand them out like candy (Gore) and the system stops working the way it was intended. Seriously, it seems like it's high school here sometimes and APs are your relative popularity in school. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad that there are so many supposed professionals acting this way.

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The only way to truly know the quality of the member's posts is to read a bunch of them and see how well they are written and how much useful/accurate information is contained within. Even this is a subjective method to a degree. Bottom line, as someone said, # of posts and snot dots are not extremely valuable in gauging member "leetness".

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To a degree? There are members here who are happy to continually give bad advice and such, yet they get loads of greenies for it -NOT- because they are knowledgeable, but for the very reason that antipoints encourage a personality contest between people. It's silly and childish, yes, but it happens. References available on request. ;)

I never take offense to a difference in opinion.

Per my first paragraph, I was actually trying to make the point that the AP system is useless (mostly) in determining the value of a person's posts.

I'm a little confused about your responses because the points I was (trying) to make are the same ones you are rippin me on. ;)

In my unprofessional, non-politically correct opinion, here's what I think:

I registered a little under 3 years ago (12-2001) and that was back when I remember seeing the AP system for what it was supposed to be. That meaning, there were very few people with 11 green dots. Hell, I can't count past Negative, Terr, JP himself, and a very few others...everyone else could be considered to have been jockeying for position (myself included). Back when it was hard to break 100 positive because, back then, there was someone high enough up who just wanted to neg people back down to grey status/etc. Then we passed through the whole "who's negging me for no reason" or "who's negging me and signing someone else's name", etc...

Anyways, I'm falling off-track. I see plenty of new people who have more of an idea about how this site's supposed to work just as I see older people on this site that don't deserve the status they have; if you call AP and entitlements status. I say strip off the AP system (except for the way it works in keeping a thread up or suiciding it) and see how many stay. I would because this is an area that I like being in. I can respect and understand the views and opinions of my "peers" because we're always here and always involved in the site. People that have been banned repeatedly shouldn't even be allowed back; timer it to a year or something. That defeats the whole purpose of banning, just like in MUDs. Ban the name, they remake a new one but still cause problems. Cheat in an MP game (CS, GO, BF1942, DC, etc), they ban you by name and you rename and come back...you get the point...

I'd like to see the AO site make some changes...make some forums, like the GC and other public ones, that are "non-AP assigned" except for the post ability. This way, you see who writes good stuff, you see who's in it "for real", and you see who's being an ass or otherwise just trolling. In other areas where advice is being sought, regular rules apply and you see who's doing good, who's not just increasing their post count, etc.

The ap system has never worked as it was intended.. back in the day when it started it was as much a popularity contest as it is now... Whether the information you posted was accurate or not, if you disagreed with someone who had lots of friends here, you got negged. Putting names with the APs kind of stopped that, but i don't think anybody should try and fool themselves into think the title under the handle, or the number of APs has ever, or will ever mean anything other than how many times somebody clicked give or take APs from that person.

edit- and with that post I hit a whooping high post/day count of:
0.38 posts per day

I have been on AO for awhile now and over the year or so I have seen the progression or degression, whichever way you want to look at it, of the site. When I signed up I was just anxious to learn everything and soon I saw how some people had 100's of posts and large amounts of AP's and I thought these were the smart ones (let me reiterate that this was at first). However, with the weeks and month soon to follow I learned that much like a highschool (as compared before) you have your different types of people however in AO it makes up a good knowledge base. I wanted to have 1000's of posts and tons of AP's but I could never really drive myself you post large amounts of usless ****. However after spending a few weeks on AO you learn very quickly who has the knowledge to back there Greenies and Post count up. You also know the jacks who do it just for the post count.

In conclusion: The system is not perfect... the system will never be perfect. But you should leave it up to yourself to decided who you would like to take advice from.

Idea: If you feel that little shits are taking over the Addicts room then make a another forum. However, this room will not be accessible by # of posts or AP's but by the number of votes that are made for you by those already in the room. This means we take the real seniors members (msm, tiger, negative, thhorse, etc). With these in there they can form a real group of smart minds that won't start alliances, flame wars and so on. This would give something for newcomers to aspire to. You give them the opportunity to make it to the "Seniors Room" and more then likely they would try. Instead of trying accumulate greenies you can focus more on the quality so that the seniors see you have smarts and invite you into their group.

Oh well...

- MilitantEidolon

Also keep in mind that the AP system is *not* what it was intended to be at all - and I'm not just stating the obvious. It's incomplete - JP was still working on the damn system when JupMed took over an' JP said like a month ago that it was still in the experimental stages far from being completed.

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Originally posted here by thehorse13
I never take offense to a difference in opinion.

Per my first paragraph, I was actually trying to make the point that the AP system is useless (mostly) in determining the value of a person's posts.

I'm a little confused about your responses because the points I was (trying) to make are the same ones you are rippin me on. ;)

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Since it wasn't clear, what I was trying to put across was more you weren't going far enough IMO. Even the suggestion someone's AP count is representative of their quality of posts is off base IMO. It also wasn't my intention to come across as "ripping" on you.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Maybe it is this late bottled vintage port..............or the tiger prawns I ate earlier? but I find myself agreeing with Hoss and Chris at the same time :eek:

I believe that they are arguing the same case, from slightly different angles?

My "take" is that you get 11 snot dots at around 1500 antipoints. The only other "metric" that I am aware of is the "Top Ten".............which I guess must be around 10,000 antipoints?

Whatever the exact figures are don't really matter................the point is that there is such a big difference between the two, and the first one is so relatively easily obtained that the metrics are meaningless.

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Even the suggestion someone's AP count is representative of their quality of posts is off base IMO

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Per my first paragraph, I was actually trying to make the point that the AP system is useless (mostly) in determining the value of a person's posts.

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Exactly................all it shows is that the person hasn't seriously upset the community and has made some contribution to the general proceedings?


Which begs the question "what is contribution?"...............well you could have provided serious insight into security issues, you might have helped someone with a specific problem they were having..............or you might just have made a witty/cynical or whatever remark. Not really a foolproof formula for a reliable metric, I would suggest?

I have supported (in the relatively short time that I have been here) the view that several of the forums should not have their content included in the post count, or available for antipoints. Now that one can award points at the thread rather than individual level, this seems even more appealing to me, as it allows for rogue threads to be closed without affecting individuals.

OK if someone spams one of these no-point forums, you can only kill the thread..........we do have the facility to report to moderators do we not?

Just my thoughts
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*FART*

hmmm... "Antionline Addict Forum" needs at least 275 posts....

"lets increase my posts, so i can get in there to see wats so special"

oh wat the hell....

rgds
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Well what the he.l..heck I suppose that those that do not live on-line and become a net personality all have valid points me just been around like forever because it was the first place to get valid info back in the old days...like 1996 is new. Anyway I come seach find stuff I want to tech few well why because unless I know a poster in person or through a phone call well out here post and invent all ya want. You as valid as your job and bosses view you is how important you are. My post count here and green points mean nothing affect my life like ZERO...unless this is where I get my ego scratched. Make the point system what you wish, the greens or reds or gray what ever it is this year. Shrughs finding fault is a simple matter correcting problems another, and well life includes this stuff now days. I hold no special knowledge except the wisdom of knowing where and when to use it. That is called old age...so excuse me I'll have the wife scratch my back...see another child move to an advanced degree. I'm gonna get stroked tonigth is my 51 birthday...people will call me not email me a card. I have to give it to the marketing people Bill$ selling a damn watch from Swatch that wil l give me the Temp, when all I have to do is go outside...there is innovation LOL...what post cpunt was this I lost track? I'm old....LOL...Jeftro Tull Next Time

Dude, there isn't a damn thing in the addicts forum.


Except that we can swear. As much as we want.

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hmmm... "Antionline Addict Forum" needs at least 275 posts....

"lets increase my posts, so i can get in there to see wats so special"

oh wat the hell....

rgds
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Don't bother.

yea... tats y mah post count is still below 100 since i joined.... LOL

rgds
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Heh, I used to post to get my # up (kinda, not really) but that was in the NST days.

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No thread you participate in is a good discussion.

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LMAO! Wow, sorry allen.. but sometimes you can be so BRUTAL! :D

Anyways, I'ma leave now.. hrmm yeah.

Is there a point to this thread or is it just a bitchfest? Really people...concentrate your efforts elsewhere.

crap