Disappointed in Anti-online ethics

ALthough intially whenever you join any new forum there is always a surplus of people that will put you down and insult your intelligence (or atleast lack of intelligence). This is an expected phase that I wasn't looking for to however accepted. Some people will simply not help you in your quest of questions within these threads (and that's fine). This isn't the issue here. What dissapointed me was the fact that you cannot 'read' the posts uner 'AntiOnline Addicts'. Understandibly, some people may post giberish here, and I"m sure some of you will think this is gibberish, however the freedom to read should have been allowed. Because I don't meet the requirements of so many posts (250?) does not mean that I am not a dedicated and committed reader and member of the AO community. It doesn't bother me so much that I cannot post in this section. I understand that a site like this needs to have an elite room. However, taking away the freedom from reading the inticate die-hard posts of AO addicts is now hidden from the public unless you post and post some more. I may be missing out on some good threads (simply to read them). I wonder if AO has considered that some people post very minimal here and post/read a ratio of 1 to 25. I didn't think this was the Menza Club although not being able to read this section gives it the ego-like holier than thou mindframe similar to that of some secret organization (and it isn't, it's just a website). Otherwise the sites ok.

soma56,

Let me assure you that the most interesting topics are NOT in the addicts forum.
I seldom look in the addicts forum, hell, even the first time i entered addicts i got disappointed cause i was excited to read it, just as you are now.

The most interesting stuff is widely available to tthe public, so also to you. ;)

Greetz,

First off, Addicts isn't all that you'd imagine it to be.

Second, it's an earned right/privilege.

And as you have said, just because you don't have the required posts doesn't mean that you aren't worthwhile. It just means you don't have the required posts. The idea of the post count was to seperate out those who aren't that serious versus those that are.

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I didn't think this was the Menza Club although not being able to read this section gives it the ego-like holier than thou mindframe similar to that of some secret organization (and it isn't, it's just a website).

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That would be your interpretation of it. That's not necessarily fact. There are many that are "Addicts" and aren't like that. Seems a big generalization.

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Understandibly, some people may post giberish here, and I"m sure some of you will think this is gibberish, however the freedom to read should have been allowed.

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This is a private site. "Privileges" are determined by admins. They are not freedoms.

Now, you may think this is harsh. Well, no offense but deal with it. As you said, this is just a website. Why not just join in discussions and enjoy the ride and scenery? :D

Yeah, you're not missing anything. Most of the good topics are right smack in the typical security section for all to see.

Havne't we discussed this topic a million times, to make it read-only for not addicts ? to make a senior forum and make it read only or partialy read only so newbies have something to strive for....

not gonna happen, post and post and one day you'll get in and read about our bitching about the site :)

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I understand that a site like this needs to have an elite room.

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:rofl:
man, just continue to contribute and you will get to that elite room. BTW, 102% os posts there are pure crap:

90% of posts are about senior members complaining about newbies
05% of posts are about senior members complaining about other senior members
05% of posts are about .... nothing
02% of posts are about random crap
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102% (its so full of b.s. that exceeds normal percentage)

as a senior newbie, i can tell you: you are missing nothing. :chuck:

Where's the thread closed button when you need it?

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The idea of the post count was to seperate out those who aren't that serious versus those that are.

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Hrmm, wow.. I was always under the impression that the post count for the Addict's should be raised (since 275 doesn't really mean you are "serious", just look at the numbers of people who are above 275 and how much of AO they make up) to something higher than 275.

Oh well, just my 2 pesos.

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90% of posts are about senior members complaining about newbies
05% of posts are about senior members complaining about newbies
05% of posts are about .... nothing
02% of posts are about random crap

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You forgot the posts complaining about the senior members complaining about newbies.

However, there are a few jewels in there:

(1) AcidReign's tech support horror stories.
(2) Any thread started by AngelicKnight.

:D

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However, there are a few jewels in there:

(2) Any thread started by AngelicKnight.

:D [/B]

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i ve covered them on that statistics (2%, adding my posts there too).... ::ha-sign:

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just look at the numbers of people who are above 275 and how much of AO they make up)

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Total Users: 96334
Staff: 11
Regular Users: 61412
Banned Users: 536
Other: 34375
(other: waiting for email confirmation, etc.)

Newbies: 95652
Jr Members: 325
Members: 90
Addicts: 74
Sr Members: 193

Most users ever logged on was:
1419 at 03:12 PM 07-08-2002

;)

Addicts is awesome.. you have no idea what you are missing out on until you are there .. I thought life before addicts was great but now its F**King fantastic!~!@$@#.

There is everyone from top secret plans to take over the world, to M$ source code for their new OS coming out in 2008. If you aren't an addict I'd recommend working on it ......

Words can't explain how awesome it is!!!!

MsMittens - That is the kind of response I expected from you.

Some of you gave some respectful responses while others attempted to justify and defend.

All of you missed out on what my intent was. I don't care about this room. I don't about this website. There are a bunch more out there. IT is the principal. It would be nice to see all, not neccessarily post, but just be able to read without barriers. This isn't the FBI but none of you understand anyways, it doesn't matter anyone. It always amazes me how some people become some worked of over nothingness. Keep the room private. I understand its purpose now however I don't agree with it. That's my right.

If the administrators really wanted to be fair they should create a room soleley and exclusivley only for newbies such as myself. That way perhaps I could discuss my mishaps and disapointments with other people at my own level without being interrogated.

Thanks for everyones insight!

fyrewall - thanks for adding some humor!!!

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MsMittens - That is the kind of response I expected from you.

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Err.. Ok. Is this a bad thing? How would you expect me otherwise to respond other than as myself.

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If the administrators really wanted to be fair they should create a room soleley and exclusivley only for newbies such as myself. That way perhaps I could discuss my mishaps and disapointments with other people at my own level without being interrogated.

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Actually, it wasn't the admins that decided on this. The Addicts was created before AO was sold to JUPM. It was at the request of MEMBERS. The original idea was to allow members who had been here a while the ability to have a forum to talk without extra clutter and allow for more focused discussion. Reality and idea, however, are often polar opposites. ;)

I think the addicts forum is a good idea and had potential and still does. I don't think the administrators have to be "fair" and make a forum just for "newbies". Although they have got a newbie security questions forum, and everyone who makes newbie gets access to it the same as everyone who makes addict gets access to the addicts forum....

somewhere in the back, a man wearing a yellow blinking light on his head, pulls his pants down. He looks both ways and bends over, speads his sweet cheeks and yells "GOATSE!"

That is the addicts forum. :D

fyrewall - Good point - Yes there is a 'Newbie's Section' (I'm in there all the time). I'll break it down for everyone from a Newbie perspective.

For every thread I start:

1 in every three 'verteran' AO members will give me slack on how my question has been done to death and to go read someone else's post in the archives.

1 in every three will attempt to discourage me and not answer anything relvant to any of my questions

And the third opens the door to where I can research or find the answer to my question.

My opinion doesn't mean anything here anyways, right? I mean I'm just a newbie. I've overkilled my point so I'm no going to waste anymore time debating my opinion with anyone else. I've enjoyed reading all of your reactions and it's time for me to do so reading and learning. I mean, that's why were all here,

right?

Soma56,

I think that you miss the point of "addicts". If you look at the opening page you will see that we generally have several hundred guests logged on at any one time. We have no idea who they are or how responsible they are. Similarly, very new members are an unknown quantity.

I would certainly not post a suspicious file in any of the generally accessible forums because some silly kid (no doubt using his elder brother's or a shared computer) is bound to click on it and let it rip. Please do not try to tell me otherwise as I have spent many a "happy hour" repairing machines that have had just that sort of thing happen to them ;)

Because you have to make 275 posts to get to addicts, and they must at least have been reasonably coherent and innocuous, it is reasonable to expect that people who can access that forum are savvy enough not to shoot themselves in the foot. They are also more likely to post something relevant, avoiding the "clutter" that MsM refers to.

I must admit, as others in this thread have already done, that a lot of crap gets posted in there, nevertheless, the concept of a "private" forum still seems valid in principle. Otherwise it would be done using PMs and/or the private chatrooms which would be even more restrictive?

just my £0.02 :)

See you seem to be mixing 2 subjects here. Okay as far as what you said about when you start threads and the reacions of the various seniors: its not about your post count. Its about respect. Respect is something fairly dificult to earn here. And you damned sure arent going to get it because you want us to allow you in to a forum that has to be earned acsess to. One of the reasons the addicts forum is closed to newbies and the generral public is because everyonce in a while someone will post something as proof of concept that we dont want every ****tard newbie getting thier hands on. Admitedly its not that often but even 1 post like that a year makes it wort keeping dipshits out. Cause you arent going to last very long around here if you are the type of person who would misuse something like that. It took me almost 1.5 years to get into the addicts forum and it gets on my nerves to see certain post whores who shal remain nameless get in there in less than a month. IF you want in pay your dues. Most of the rest of us did. And ive taken my share of flames in my history here at AO. Just ask spyder32. Its a freaking website for gods sake. If you dont like the way its set up go somehwere else.


P.S. does it realy hurt yoiu to take alook at what other people have ALREADY said about your topic or should we repeat ourselves endlesly just because we have a lazy newbie?

No your opinion isnt worthless ... If you make a meaningful post (not saying that you don't, I can't recall anything from you in the past) people will respect it :)

If you ask a question, based on what I have seen. Whoever can answer it will and normally every question asked gets some sort of answer.

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Originally posted here by ZomBieMann77
we dont want every ****tard newbie getting thier hands on.

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I agree. enough said. I imagine I qualify as a 'F$%ktard newbie.
What were you saying about respect again?

Did i specificaly say you were a ****tard newbie? No i didnt. I wasnt refering to you. I was generalizing. I was simply trying to state that somethings are better left in a controlled environment not out where it can harm the genral public. And as far as the respect thing, dont whine and you will get more of it. I apologize if my comment about ****tard newbies offended you. I did not mean to imply you personaly. But then maybe it tickled a subliminal hemroid of yours and now you have to be offended because the ub3r 1337 z0b1em4nn picked on you. That wasnt the case. So dont try to take part of one sentece in a decent sized post and turn this into a "they're picking on me" thread.

well i will refer to you as a ****tard newbie.. if this is how you wanna spend your AO time, then you sure as hell qualify as one...

ZomBieMann77 - I see I'm not the first person to have offended you here. Your first post was good in it's entirety and I can see how you fit in here quite well. The only reason I singled out that specific text is because, well, that's the only thing that did stick out and offended me. Nothing personal. You regained a little respect back with your reply.

;TT - I don't mind your comments. I'm not here to make enemies. Quite funny actually. I do have other threads going on in addition to this one if you has bothered to look.
; TT I could say many things however I'm sure you're an intelligent indivdual who simply has a point to make and that's fine. I accept that. I suggest talking to ZomBieMann77 if you want to say it in a respectful manner or atleast in a way that has some thought put behind it. And your right. Why should I be wasting my time in this thread. Nevertheless, I'm sure everyone has been amused enough here. Perhaps we should kill this thread now.

Kill kill kill!