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Water in the United States is already a commodity just like in every part of the world. Rights to it are bought and sold and in some rare cases fought over in wars. Look at Los Angeles, their water sources come from Miles away and they OWN it. My city never has been good at buying rights or giving away rights in long term, short benefit deals. The only place we could go for water rights in on the Western Slope of the Great Divide. Problem is, there is NO way to get it here. Mankind as a whole are building water based societies in areas void of water.
looks like as another wave of colonialism.....Quote:
We have to rethink how much water we really need if we are to learn how to share the Earth's supply
They use to show pictures of poor people of Africe, but their really thoughts are "we are running out of water here"
USA and EU are consuming more water that they can produce/recycle, so lets "share supply" where
"share" = "i will get your fresh water because you are wasting and i need more than you"
Wellcome to 21st century..
Actually cacosapo The Eu is not using more water than it produces or has in stock. Just spend a holiday in Ireland and you will see what I mean :). The question is really how can we share the water more effeciantly. As for a country to developpe and become a proper market for our goods it will need water to support its industries and population. I cant really see the EU invading africa to get at the water there even though I can see the US liberating Canada from its evil tyranical goverment and taking payement in water :) and trees.
Next time I go to the neighborhood Walmart, I'll tell them that sprinkling their huge lawn is useless when it's raining cats and dogs.
Thats kinda like my neighbour who waters his driveway everyday :rolleyes:Quote:
Next time I go to the neighborhood Walmart, I'll tell them that sprinkling their huge lawn is useless when it's raining cats and dogs.
I live in a typical suburban hood and you can spot my house a mile away...it the one with the dry patches and dandelions
I wouldnt put it past the Bush administrationQuote:
even though I can see the US liberating Canada from its evil tyranical goverment and taking payement in water and trees.
MLF
Please don't take this wrong, but....
On a planet that is 2/3d's water, how can one complain of scarcity? I try to conserve energy and water whenever possible, most especially when draught hits my area (frequently in the summertime), but I'm curious as to how this is such an issue?
Why do Americans use more water than others? The answer is quite simple. We can afford it. Our resources and economy allot us the priviledge of being able to produce potable water in massive quantities, cheaply and quite efficiently. With desalinization techniques, purification and water recycling, we are no longer a society dependent on either the water table or the rain cycle.
I find it quite outlandish that other nations want to fuss about this disparity, yet malign our government and our very way of life in all other respects. Perhaps by emulation of us, your nation might enjoy the same abundance. Does it make me a bad person because I like a shower every morning, gallons of coffee, tea, and dr pepper, and a nice green lawn? Absolutely not. Do I like the fact that WalMart (among others who use automated sprinkler systems without weather sensors) likes to water their grass when it's raining? Absolutely not, but there is a fine line there - they can afford the thousand dollars a month in water bills for their individual stores. I do not begrudge a wealthy man who can afford a 20 room mansion, or drive a Rolls Royce his luxury. Why should I begrudge him his water?
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On a planet that is 2/3d's water, how can one complain of scarcity?
|3lack|ce : you were a swabbie, didn't you ever taste the stuff the blue water navy sails on ?Quote:
Water, water, everywhere; but not a drop to drink. Famous line from a poem ? can't remember which
Some areas of this planet are not so replete with natures bounty, some would say this is a great evil / unfairness that we MUST remove, and give everyone the same access to what we take for granted.
Me ?
I believe that it's natures way of saying :
"Feck off !! you can't stay here, there's no fecking WATER".
In Suadi, they use de-salination plants, this creates clean, fresh, PURE water. The religious amongst them decided that this was the best water to use to clean themselves with prior to prayer.Quote:
With desalinization techniques,
De-sal water contains NO minerals, and drinking it would provide nothing for the body except sweat. To combat this you add the minerals to make clean, fresh, DRINKING water.
From the above, Saudi refused to allow the addition of minerals, as that would make the water impure, and as it was for holy washing, that would not do................
There was also talk of harpooning and towing an iceberg to the areas of the world that needed water [presumably, somewhere coastal ? where dumping a million tons of fresh water into the local salt water supply [the sea] wouldn't upset the eco system.
This is something that definately will not go away, and no matter what your thoughts about whether it's our RIGHT to squander [?] our [?] water, it's only a matter of time before this becomes another front page story on our nightly news.
Fox, you and I agree on most issues, and here is no exception. The difference in our disputes isn't that water is a precious commodity, it is that certain folks here were trying to 'blame the government' as is the popular thing to do for those who aren't in understanding. I do, however, dispute certain points made in your above posts -
I hold the Saudis in very little esteem. If they choose to deny their own subjects the essential minerals necessary in common drinking water, then that means less Saudis for me to worry about.
I am more concerned with the draining/erosion of the mississippi delta and the destruction of the wetlands ecosystem there and in south florida than I am with someone's assenine idea of attempting to tow an iceberg - that's a bit Pippi Longstocking, wot?
I sat aboard my ship and looked down at the ocean and marvelled at it's magnificence, and marvelled still more that I could not drink from it's riches.... Then I learned about auxiliary machinery and water desalinization aboard ship, and smiled at man's conquering of the elements.
It's a simple matter to distill ocean water and make it potable. It's still more simple to add minerals to harden the water and make it good for drinking. It is, however, quite expensive to acquire and build the equipment necessary to do this on a large scale. We come back to the politics of it all - either foreign governments will learn economics and capitalism, and emulate, or they will ultimately fail. I do not dispute that we'll soon be seeing other nations dying of thirst on our nightly news, nor do I dispute that the reporters will fawn all over it and raise the liberals to goad our government to assist them, but I do submit that they should educate themselves instead of being so locked into their own personal mindsets.
Why are we worrying about there being enough water for all the people??????
Stop breeding like ****ing rabbits and water will be the same issue it was 50-100 years ago.... A non-issue!!!!!!
If you breed past your supply of water, food, ability to pay bills or anything else... I, frankly, have no sympathy whatsoever for you or your children.....
We have 6 billion, (ish), on the planet.... We _need_ less than half that....
Boys.... learn to keep your dick in your pants - or you'll be paying till you're 70!!!!!
Girls..... learn that total fulfilment does _not_ come from a football team full of kids - Get a headache!!!!!
Now C'mon.... This **** isn't difficult is it????? Limited resource required by _all_. More "all" you have more resource you need... limit "all", less resource needed...... Yeah... I guess this is rocket science after all...... :rolleyes:
amen...brother! Its seems to me as the poorest of all people have 5 or 10 kids. Why is this? Do they not think of the suffering of their newborn kids. Its bad enough one has to deal with the sh*t in the world today but to suffer cause you don't have the money or the resources...bah! I believe if that God does not take us from here, that we blown ourselfs to kingdom-come, or something along those line, that we will bread ourself into estinction.Quote:
Why are we worrying about there being enough water for all the people??????
Stop breeding like ****ing rabbits and water will be the same issue it was 50-100 years ago.... A non-issue!!!!!!
If you breed past your supply of water, food, ability to pay bills or anything else... I, frankly, have no sympathy whatsoever for you or your children.....
kurt
Well now, I can agree with almost all of the comments made in this thread, but I have a question/observation.
A couple of years ago, Maryland was in the middle of a huge drought. They had some very hard water restrictions in place, and almost every car and lawn you would pass was brown and dirty. They were out actively inforcing the water restrictions also.
The only exception to this was the golf courses. They were all unbelievably green and lush. Now why were they given exemptions when no one else got any???
The fat cats of Washington use them, thats why! Mostly because they cater to the rich f**ks and remember they get everything their heart desires!Quote:
The only exception to this was the golf courses. They were all unbelievably green and lush. Now why were they given exemptions when no one else got any???
Well Mox~
I think Kurt and I share the view that their golfcourses were as green and lush as their greenbacks :D
I read a while back that in the UK over 20% of our purified water is lost through the decrepit and obsolete infrastructure. I think that could well be true of other developed countries.
The main problem over here is that we have had water too cheap for too long, and don't set any great value on it. We paid our $300-600 per year and could use as much as we liked..........this has bred a "waste culture"
Today, all new/refurbished properties have to have a water meter, so people have to pay for what they use. Don't worry, it is not the end of civilisation as you know it..........we are paying $6 a gallon for GAS, and there are still plenty of automobiles on the road :p
Actually it has been business/industry that have offended the most..............now they are charged for what they take out, and also the impurity of that which they return. This has made it worth their while to change their ways.
My take is that the developed world has plenty of slack to take up. Where I see the problem is in arid regione where they are using "fossil water" that went into aquifers during a much wetter climatic regime...........that is certainly a finite resource.
Ah, water conservation. Soap Box:
Nihil the same thing is happening here. I read a study on water delivery systems that need replaced. In fact some local politicians have made it an issue in the past. Seems no one cares, except me. 20 percent is a good estimate on water loss through containment and delivery systems. In fact evaporation alone is more than that. We are in a long-standing drought because this city is built in an area that does not get more than an average of 15 inches per year in NATURAL rainfall. So of course water is an issue, even though not more than 1 hour away there are areas with 40 feet of snow right now and 45 minutes away is the fun and dangerous rapids of the Arkansas River. We get none of it. But delivery infrastructure we do have must be maintained!
Luckily there is a movement to turn landscaping into a more natural environment versus planting grass everywhere. That is: only using as much grass as needed for something useful like Childs play and pets. If that grass turns brown after a few days of no water then some other plant or grass species is probably a good idea. The system uses both natural plants from the local environment and imports from similar microclimates in Europe, Africa, etc. A most fascinating science. Xeriscape link .
In addition, thanks to a country with it's own issues that force innovation, Israel has given us the first really usable subsurface irrigation system. I have seen Netafim in operation and it's fking Sweet. Much more efficient than drip irrigation systems I designed at my home using Irittrol . Day late, doller short. Bottom line; get the water out of the air via spray heads and onto the ground or root systems. Doing that one could save 70 percent of water usage in landscaping applications. Or move to United Kingdom. :)
Negative: I stand in my living room bitching every time it rains about the water loss through commercial and residential watering during saturation rains. It's a little harder for a large business to shut off systems with 20 different zones but at home, come on a rain sensor is 19 bucks and you can drag your ass of the couch and go hit the OFF button. :mad: Oh and grass roots only average 3 to 4 inches. It only takes 15 - 20 minutes with some good flow spray heads to SATURATE the zone. Anything after that is wasted.
Tiger has a point and eventually the world will take on ideas from the Chinese, you will NOT be allowed to produce more offspring than necessary. I mean 10 kids? In the USA we have tones of water even with a desert and the very arid southwest. The entire city of phoenix for instance is artificial just like Las Vegas. They both pump in water from surrounding mountains. I remember when the world was worried about 4 billion people.
The good news is, population seems to be leveling off and western civilizations are having fewer children. Which happens to be where most of the fresh water is. Although the point was made the earth is mostly water. Land is actually scarce.
Golf Courses don't bother me. They are a nice addition to a community. It's like a swimming pool they need water to operate. I big ugly dead and closed golf course is better? If you filled the vacant land with houses or a mego-mart I doubt they would use less water and if they did would it be worth it?
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The good news is, population seems to be leveling off
I believe that the problem of the poor having more children is both a cultural and religious one.
In years past, having ten children didn't mean keeping ten, infant mortality was far greater then. Nowadays, medical advances have ensured that the mortality rate has reduced dramatically, but, the people have taken millennia to adopt the large family to survive route, and it's going to take a couple of GENERATIONS of education to eradicate that thought process.
And then there was religion : The pope has a lot to answer for here. denial of contraception, and a continuing message that each and every child born is needed to swell the numbers of the catholic church, means that even those that would LIKE to comply with the ethical / moral implications of the above, are torn between that and their church.
Truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.
As for the remainder of the worlds population I haven't managed to pi55 off yet.
Ignorance : it may be bliss, but it is quite possibly the biggest problem we face.
We might be able to get the message out there.
We might be able to get the message across.
But a ****tard is still a ****tard, and as my father used to say :
"You cannot polish a turd"
It will take a real life irrefutable miracle to solve this in the lifetime of anyone alive now, but give the human race a couple of hundred years, and they might just get it.
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"You cannot polish a turd"
Population is leveling off, I made that statement based on research I have read. Maybe we will get it, because if not someone or some culture will die off. They will not survive. We see the disasterous effects once in a while when some plague or blight hits critical crop areas of the world. We as a people in Europe and North America do a decent job I think.
But you can apparently, put it in a tin, then sell it as art. :cool:Quote:
You cannot polish a turd