It only takes 3 years to say thank you, eh?

So it only takes 3 years to say thank you for this. I wonder how long it will take for him to say thank you to Gander, which went under a heavier strain than Halifax as far as accommodating the planes and passengers.

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Ottawa, Canada, Nov. 25 (UPI) -- U.S. President George Bush will visit Nova Scotia during his Canadian visit next week to thank residents for their help after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Sources in Ottawa told the Globe and Mail Bush will go to Halifax Wednesday morning after spending Tuesday in Ottawa in business talks with Prime Minister Paul Martin.

Residents in and around Halifax opened their homes to house hundreds of air passengers stranded after the terror attacks. Bush was criticized for a speech to Congress nine days after the attacks in which he failed to mention Canada's role in providing aid to the United States.

Sources told the newspaper the leaders' meeting in Ottawa is not expected to deliver much in the way of announcements. The pair is expected to discuss a number of issues, including help for the Caribbean nation of Haiti and the rebuilding process in Iraq.

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Maybe he was just busy with other things. You know how he gets distracted so easily...
I'm glad to see him do it though - albeit quite late. Sometimes the thank you never comes at all from anyone, usually on those occasions when it's deserved the most.

A bit more on the 'deep' side - The folks that opened their homes to them I'm quite sure don't care if they're thanked for it or not, that being the mark of true heroes, friends, and neighbors.

Actually, they did. During the first few months after the attacks Bush went around thanking everybody (including Mexico) for what they did but not a word about Canada.

Ah, well then... as a sovereign citizen of the United States of America, and acting in my capacity as ex-officio Ambassador without portfolio, I thank the town of Gander and the nation of Canada for their efforts. Please pass the gratitude of a grateful nation on to them.

Sometimes the closest friend or neighbor is the one who goes unthanked.

[edit] I know that sounded a bit sarcastic. In fact, however, it's not. Apols if you were offended. Few Americans know of their right to act as ambassadors for their country, whether delegated or not, but it occurs every day when one travels or communicates abroad. [/edit]

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Originally posted here by MsMittens It only takes 3 years to say thank you, eh?

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.GOV (Umpteenth expressions in the White House archives )
*EPF109 09/24/01
Transcript: Bush, Prime Minister Chretien at the White House
(Bush thanks Canadians for support following Sept. 11 attacks) (840)
"You know, after this terrible incident on September 11th, one of the first phone calls I received was from the Prime Minister, offering all his support and condolences to the United States and our citizens. It was like getting a phone call from a brother. And I appreciate that so very much. "

"An amazing thing came up the other day. Somebody said to me, well, you know, in your speech to Congress, there were some(MsMittens) that took affront in Canada because I didn't mention the name. I didn't necessarily think it was important to praise a brother; after all, we're talking about family. "

"There should be no doubt in anybody's mind about how honored we are to have the support of the Canadians, and how strong the Canadian Prime Minister has been. And not only his condolences, but his offer of support for the American people. I guess there's -- somebody is playing politics with you, Mr. Prime Minister. "

Egg on your face! You're not supposed to eat eggs on Thanksgiving Day ~"An act of giving thanks; an expression of gratitude,"

Thanks, alot MsMittens.

We are talking about one of the most busiest men on earth! What did they expect, a few 911 widows checks? Those range in total, up into the millions!

Bush has been here a half dozen times and Mr. Cheney much more than that.... we never got thanked as a community for helping families and children of those killed in Iraq, or opening up shelters and homes for people stranded for weeks waiting for flights to resume and catch up after 9/11. And dimmit we never got thanked for sending TWO semi trucks full of stuff to Florida after hurricanes devastated the areas. But that's OK. :)

Those people in Nova Scotia are way cool. Thanks.

Bush didn't like Jean, probably because he and Clinton were golf buddies. I guess he likes Martin a lot better.

MsMittens: No offense or anything (I really hope none is taken), but wtf did Canada do anyways? Better yet, what did they do that no other country didn't? And again, not to sound rude.. but who cares? I'm SURE he said thank you before just now because I saw it on the news. Canada was one of the first places he thanked for their "support" and what have you.

LOL Canada was one of the first to offer condolences and then Bush paid homage during the 09/24/01 speech. I'm telling you the Canadian media is censored or something by the CRTC (Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission) they are just now allowing fox news to most of their people. :)
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...rtc041118.html

RoadClosed, on behalf of Florida, I'd like to take the time to say Thank You. I was the recipient of donated materials during the hurricanes, so I'm qualified to say that. However, I'd also like to point out that what I recieved was a case of chocolate cookies and a case of Goldfish crackers. Now, I know that "beggars can't be choosers" but when I don't have water to cook with or wash with, when I've gone thru 9000000 batteries and am now out, and when I'm falling over with heatstroke from 100+ weather, chocolate cookies and goldfish crackers are NOT terribly useful. :p

How so? You don't have to cook them or boil them. Would you rather they sent you soup you couldn't heat up? Or Pizza or beef you couldn't cook?

Michigan sent DTE in to help Florida. You're welcome, no more batteries are needed. (DTE = Detroit Edison, the power people to get electricity back up and runnning).

Actually, soup would have been really helpful, we (and about 90% of the other people in this area) use propane for cooking and heating, so we could cook anything canned. As long as it didn't need water or refrigeration. As for the electric company....it was like a US tour around here seeing the different states utility trucks. I swear the only ones I didn't see were Alaska and Hawaii.

OK, next year when the next round of Hurricanes go in to spank Florida, I'll make sure I send a Campbell's truck instead of Pre-Baked Goldfish.

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MsMittens: No offense or anything (I really hope none is taken), but wtf did Canada do anyways? Better yet, what did they do that no other country didn't? And again, not to sound rude.. but who cares? I'm SURE he said thank you before just now because I saw it on the news. Canada was one of the first places he thanked for their "support" and what have you.

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Uh... Gander and Halifax took every plane that was originally destined for the Eastern US Seaboard and let them stay at houses, feed them and accepted them without question.

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Never in its 63-year history...has Gander..\..on the northeastern tip of North America, in Newfoundland...had to deal with a crush of the magnitude that descended on it this week, after the United States responded to terrorist attacks by closing American airspace to commercial traffic. A total of 240 aircraft were rerouted to Canada on Tuesday,

• * of which 39 landed in Gander...6,500 marooned airline passengers \in\ a town of 9,000 people.
  * An additional 44 flights were diverted to Halifax, NS;
  * 27 to St. John's, Newfoundland's biggest city [but not biggest airport];
  * and 12 to Goose Bay in Labrador, where the airport is normally used as a NATO training base.
  * On the other coast, [34] trans-Pacific flights were rerouted to Vancouver,
  * while 3 landed in Whitehorse, capital of the Yukon Territory.

By [Friday] afternoon 14 of the 39 aircraft in Gander and all but 3 of the 34 aircraft in Vancouver had departed..\..
...Workers at three Zellers discount stores in St. John's...load[ed] hundreds of toothbrushes, deodorant sticks, blankets and pillows into a 30-foot trailer for the six-hour drive to Gander, where, on Wednesday morning, they were distributed to grounded travelers. "The support of the community has been overwhelming," said Maj. Alfred Richardson of the Salvation Army in Gander, as he described how local residents delivered 2,300 hot means on Tuesday within three hours of his televised appeal. Schools...closed since Wednesday so their gymnasiums could be used as makeshift dormitories. About a dozen local churches, as well as the Royal Canadian Legion and the Knights of Columbus, set up cots in their halls and basements....

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No one asked them. No one paid them. They did it because they felt a need to do it and because (based on interviews I remember watching afterwards) they would hope that if the roles were reversed the same would be done.

Many of the east coast cities in Canada are small. Halifax is probably the largest but if you compare them with the size of places in Ontario, Quebec or New York, you'd know they don't have the resources, training or facilities to truly be able to handle it and particularly a city the size of Gander, which gets maybe a few dozen flights a day(??). But they did have the hearts.

And I'm sorry but that does deserve a bit of thanks. It's the right thing to do.

You can also read this article, The Kindness of Strangers, which gives more details.

Deb I don't need thanks. :D I was being sarcastic, BUT next year I will send water. :thumbsup: You do know it's a recurring thing right? :p

Here, more homage is paid in September 21, 2001

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September 21, 2001
C Street Entrance
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SECRETARY POWELL: Well, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. It has been my great pleasure to welcome my Canadian colleague, John Manley, for another one of the many conversations that we have had in recent months. And it also gave me the opportunity as Secretary of State to thank him and to thank the Canadian people and the Canadian Government, and especially the Prime Minister, for all the solid support that Canada has given to the United States in the days since the 11th of September. It also gave me a chance to express my condolences to those Canadians who lost family members in the World Trade Center.

Canada was one of the first on the scene with all kinds of help for us in this time of crisis. Whether it was taking in some 20-odd thousand airline travelers who were stranded, there was no question about it. Canada welcomed, extended fine Canadian hospitality, took care of them and then finally helped us get those persons on the way to their destination. Canadian fighters assisted us in guarding our air space. Canadian volunteers came to New York to be of help. We had medical support, offers of blood, offers of rescue. Every imaginable offer we received from Canadian brothers and sisters, and the American people will be forever grateful for that offer of support and forever thankful.

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Uh... Gander and Halifax took every plane that was originally destined for the Eastern US Seaboard and let them stay at houses, feed them and accepted them without question.

No one asked them. No one paid them. They did it because they felt a need to do it and because (based on interviews I remember watching afterwards) they would hope that if the roles were reversed the same would be done.

Many of the east coast cities in Canada are small. Halifax is probably the largest but if you compare them with the size of places in Ontario, Quebec or New York, you'd know they don't have the resources, training or facilities to truly be able to handle it and particularly a city the size of Gander, which gets maybe a few dozen flights a day(??). But they did have the hearts.

And I'm sorry but that does deserve a bit of thanks. It's the right thing to do.

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Pack your baggage we're going on a guilt-trip.:rolleyes:

Ok, what type of accolades do you want MsMittens, is this about financial reimbursement? You just said "they felt a need to do it", so who needed to "ask them" or "pay them"? The Canadian government is the one you have beef with.

Umm... that was from Powell not Bush.

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Ok, what type of accolades do you want MsMittens, is this about financial reimbursement? You just said "they felt a need to do it", so who needed to "ask them" or "pay them"? The Canadian government is the one you have beef with.

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No. It's not about money. No one asked them. They just did. But courtesy, politeness and good neighbours usually suggests saying thank you when someone did something they really didn't need to or were asked to do. And when it's done on this scale, it's the least that can be done.

It's a principle thing. The leader of your nation thanked Mexico for all their help. He thanked endless other nations. But couldn't thank Canada. He had his Secretary of State, Colin Powell, do that. Why is it hard for your leader to do that?

Maybe I'm old fashioned but it just strikes me as something that a leader should do.

Oh.. and btw. Thanks. I was looking for that speech specifically and couldn't seem to find it. Where did you find it?

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Originally posted here by MsMittens
Umm... that was from Powell not Bush.

No. It's not about money. No one asked them. They just did. But courtesy, politeness and good neighbours usually suggests saying thank you when someone did something they really didn't need to or were asked to do. And when it's done on this scale, it's the least that can be done.

It's a principle thing. The leader of your nation thanked Mexico for all their help. He thanked endless other nations. But couldn't thank Canada. He had his Secretary of State, Colin Powell, do that. Why is it hard for your leader to do that?

Maybe I'm old fashioned but it just strikes me as something that a leader should do.

Oh.. and btw. Thanks. I was looking for that speech specifically and couldn't seem to find it. Where did you find it?

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Powell serves at the pleasure of the President, and for the umpteenth time; Bush thanked Canada.

09/24/01(Bush thanks Canadians for support following Sept. 11 attacks)

09/21/01 (Powell thanks Canadians for support following Sept. 11 attacks)


911 Conspiracy books are they best sellers in Canada like they are in France?

“La gran impostura” (The Frightening Fraud)
Thierry Meyssan, La Esfera de los Libros

“Le Pentagate”
Thierry Meyssan, ed., Éditions Carnot

“Verschwörungen, Versch-wörungstheorien und die Geheim-nisse des 11.9” (Conspiracies, conspiracy theories and the secrets of 9/11)
Mathias Bröckers, Zweitausendeins

“Die CIA und der 11.September: Internationaler Terror und die Rolle der Geheimsdientse” (The CIA and 9/11: international terror and the role of the secret services)
Andreas von Bülow, Piper Verlag

“Falten, Fäls-chungen und die unterdrückten Beweise des 11.9” (Facts, forgeries and censored evidence on 9/11)
Mathias Bröckers y Andreas Hauss, Zweitausendeins

“La sospecha: el complot que amenaza la sociedad actual” (Distrust: the plot that threatens modern society)
Isabel Pisano, Belacqua

“Operation 9/11: Angriff auf den Globos” (Operation 9/11: the global attack)
Gerhard Wisnewski, Droemer / Knaur

“11-S. Historia de una infamia: las mentiras de la ‘versión oficial" (9/11. The story of a vile act: the lies of the "official version")
Bruno Cardeñosa, Corona Borealis

“The war on freedom. How and why America was attacked, september 11, 2001”
Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, The Institute for Policy Research and Development

“Jefe Atta: el secreto de la Casa Blanca” (Chief Atta: the White House secret)
Pilar Urbano, Plaza & Janés

I was gonna jump in here ... then I wasn't ... then I was.

Okay, here goes.

I think the US side of this conversation isn't picking up on the issue that Bush hasn't done the "right thing" by the Halifax and Gander residents, from their perspective (which is really the one that counts). Especially, when he has made visible efforts with other groups. Try to go back to that time and remember how long these generous people provided shelter and food for the stranded passengers.

Unfortunately, this is a sensitive area of foreign policy--or just plain common courtesy--that has been sadly lacking in this administration. Reference the more recent snub of the legitimate leader of Spain. Bad form.

As for The Globe and Mail, y'all ought to read that once in a while. It provides a very different perspective from what you get in our myopic, US corporate controlled media (unbiased, ya, right, you'betcha!). I love getting my Globe and Mail in the mornings when I stay in Canada. It is a very refreshing change of world view.

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Originally posted here by rapier57 Unfortunately, this is a sensitive area of foreign policy--or just plain common courtesy--that has been sadly lacking in this administration. Reference the more recent snub of the legitimate leader of Spain. Bad form.

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Oh, well, then allow me to retort!

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Francoise Ducros was the former press secretary to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien who called President George W. Bush, a moron at an international gathering.

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Jean Chrétien nor any of his cabinet lackeys upset over the comments that were made. Chrétien refused to fire Ducros and only accepted her resignation when she tendered it a second time and made it clear that she didn’t wish to retain her position.

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http://www.torontofreepress.com/2003/weinreb010603.htm

That was one of the nominations for Politically Incorrect Person of the Year. Yes.

But, like I said, when you look at the press outside the US, you get a very different world view. We are not liked, and generally for very good reason.

!mation, he should have fired Ducros. It was inappropriate. It may have been what many felt but it was inappropriate. While Powell may have been there at his "beck and call", as I said, there are some things that should be done by a leader. And as I said before, it wasn't a "thank you for helping us", it was a "thank you for offering condolences".

rapier, if you actually check, it's interesting. Many other nations like Americans. It's just Bush they don't like. There seems to be a striking difference between the two and from what I've read, that difference is being made (i.e., Americans != Bush)

Ms Mittens you hit the nail on the head but the problem is that the americain people have been convinced ,by the powers that be, that they are disliked when they leave the safety of their borders.

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Strange I must be looking in all the wrong bookshops as i can find that many conspiracy books on the shelves here! :confused:

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problem is that the americain people have been convinced ,by the powers that be, that they are disliked when they leave the safety of their borders.

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Kind of places one in a defensive stance eh? All though it's not the powers that be, it's the media and people like the general population of Canada that gets it's jollies on negative American commentary. It's hip. ;) Case and point the article and topic of this thread. "Thanks for the thanks but it's too late." How brash?
BTW the president is visiting Canada, watch how openly they accept him - even after stating a desire to have some "official" thanks within a specified time period.

No American wouldn't look at Halifax and not have admiration for their efforts. The same happened in England and many many national friends who endured and sacrificed to help stranded Americans. We know, trust us. :) I wasn't traveling but if I was to get stuck anywhere Nova Scotia would have been my favorite. And I ask a question, which is worse, the person who forgets to say "thank you" or the person who communicates that fact?

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dis-like bush because they fear mostly an economical side of things

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Business investment grew over 3 percent again this month. What are they buying? Information Technology.

My older borther got stuck in Canada at the time and he had nothing but praise for the recepetion they got from the people there.

Don't get me wrong, Canada is very nice. Lovely country been all over it. In fact I have been thinking on planning a trip to St. Johns by taking a train across Canada. But even Ms. Mittens would agree that it's hip to talk down about Americans. :)

Hey Maracu, if U2 tours again and plays at Slane Castle... it's my desire to be there. :D Hopefully.... last time I didn't get tickets.

Canada has 222s over the counter, I ****ING LOVE CANADA!

Lol, Now I know why you live in Michigan.

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But even Ms. Mittens would agree that it's hip to talk down about Americans.

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*teehee* You've heard about "Talking to American's" eh? If you don't know what that is, check out this site which has some exerpts about poking a bit of fun.. :D (And I have met American's who demanded to know where the snow was in July in Ottawa during 100+ degree heatwave :rofl: )

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While Powell may have been there at his "beck and call", as I said, there are some things that should be done by a leader. And as I said before, it wasn't a "thank you for helping us", it was a "thank you for offering condolences".

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*sigh* Nuance, nuance, nuance.
Lady, seriously did you read the whole transcript I've posted twice?

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PRIME MINISTER CHRETIEN:And we had the occasion to receive 45,000 Americans on the Canadian soil who had to be diverted to Canada. And we had a great demonstration of support when 100,000 Canadians appeared on the hill to offer support to our neighbor and friends and family, the Americans.
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you.

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THE PRESIDENT:There should be no doubt in anybody's mind about how honored we are to have the support of the Canadians, and how strong the Canadian Prime Minister has been. And not only his condolences, but his offer of support for the American people.

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I'm not a mind reader and I'm sure you're not one either. I extrapolated Bush expressing recognition of the support of the Canadians who helped 45,000 stranded Americans on the Canadian soil.

But that just might be your mind-set; a closed loop!

**** both countrys, Germany is the best and you know it ;)

Rust knows how I feel and respects it as I respect his decision to think Bush is a good president. I don't, but really who would live up to my standards? Jello Biafra and anyone Libertarian. That's about it. Thomas Jefferson was the man, I would vote for him in a heart beat. He was punk rock as hell. He said we should have a revolution every 100 years just to shake **** up. That's so punk rock.

Germany will always have a place in my heart as one of the best countries on Earth and none of you are going to change my mind. My family came over here from Germany, and Germany has given us SUSE Linux, and even brought back my beloved BeOS. Zeta is a BeOS OS that was started to keep BeOS alive by a few Germans who loved it too.

Lords of Acid are Belgium, which is very close, and even KMFDM and Rammstein. God Bless Germany. I have a German flag in my room which has been waving for 6 years. I'm proud of my my German blood. My Grandfather helped in WW2 to take Hitler down.

And Germany has a certain someone that I'm totally in love with. I love Germany. And **** name a car outside of American Muscle cars and the Maclaren F1 which could come close to BMW. Germany is awesome, and I plan on visiting a few times before I go to my death bed.

-Das Blut, Mich say for alle toggen, Ficken Der Anti-Drogen Stab!

Mich das Blut in den Adern erstarren lassen. Mich überheblich SUSE Computerindingling elitär.




Alles Gute zum Geburtstag! Mich!

If Du Hassen German, assaugen Mich :)

Danka, Gore.
Do ist da mann.
kartofel chuse.

God dam kistikopfs................I am joking.

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I have all their CDs, the music is pretty much canned ****. Having said that, their new album is pretty good. :D Who could say anything bad about Germany? Beautiful country, if I had the money I would live in the country. Frankfurt or the area around Bertesgarten is nice.

Gore: You forgot Octoberfest and the Love Parade.... :)