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just reading news @ msn.com and i thought you all might want to give this a read. Just curious about your feelings on the subject..
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i dont like the sound of it, but then again, im no terrorist, and ive got nothing to hide so why should i care? Well, i still care...
-z3
Interesting read... I wonder if you could get a bot to spew out stuff that sets off the trigger. ;)Quote:
Originally posted here by z31200n3
just reading news @ msn.com and i thought you all might want to give this a read. Just curious about your feelings on the subject..
i dont like the sound of it, but then again, im no terrorist, and ive got nothing to hide so why should i care? Well, i still care...
-z3
Even if you are not a terrorist now, you should care about your government monitoring you. That is more of a discussion for Cosmos though.
That's nothing new, just now their announcing it. They've been watching chat rooms for preditors and illegal activity. What I'd like to know is how they're gonna monitor all those Rogue IRC servers, lol, good luck with that.
--PuRe
Havent you ever heard of carnivore? Same basic principle. It might work on MSN and AOl chat but it would never work on IRC. Servers come and go too fast for that. It would be to easy to avoid detection with an IRC server. Only have the server running at designated times and use stunnel/ssl to encrypt all connections./ Boom instant safe chatting. unless they want to take the time to try and break the encryption on the fly
Just one thing puzzles me....................if these terrorists, drug barons and the like are so stupid................how come we seem to catch so few of them?
just a thought
They are just raising the bar a bit. If they have automation to point out the retards (like the ones that would frequent the old AO irc looking for people to help with their master plans of hacking banks) then they have better coverage without adding alot of overhead (people costs and so on).
It does not stop criminals/terrorists from simply putting up their own server, using crypto, etc.
Making bots spew garbage into the channel to set of their triggers is trivial if you know what type of things set those triggers off. I'm sure there are kids all over the place working on automation to do just that since they heard the government is funding this type of work.
they're on to us... i'd better report this back to headquarters
When will people learn that there is no guarantee of privacy once you hit the public network?
What kind of terrorists, (ok, rephrase, effective terrorists), sit around in chat rooms discussing their dirty deeds?
What kind of LEO really thinks that viable targets for their operation sit in chat rooms laying out their plans for all to see?
Unless you are an _effective_ terrorist why do you care if they might be monitoring chat rooms for your terrorist activity?
Be a law abiding citizen - OK, cheat on your taxes and speed from time to time - and you have nothing to worry about.......
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Be a law abiding citizen - OK, cheat on your taxes and speed from time to time - and you have nothing to worry about.......
I'd stilll want an encrypted connection to my lover, if I had one. :D
Hmm. Well, I wonder if that would cover 'DCC' chat. I know that phone line monitoring has been in effect since the 80's. Supposedly anytime you say the word "bomb" or anything of the like it gets logged and someone listen's to it eventually. Maybe its total BS but it is possible by all means. I see that this "technology" could waste lots of FBI and CIA resources. So, some kid gets on mIRC, spouts himself as a terrorist, lays out his super-wow plans. Terroist is really a 13 year old attention starved kid from Brazil. Big catch. Yep, go CIA. I see many false alarms with this. I don't think Osama Bin Laden will be chatting it up on DALnet about his future plans, so like the correct expresion may be: Hey CIA, put down the confiscated dope your smokin, get in your little cars, and go do some real police work, your not going to find anything on IRC besides script kiddies. [/rant]
hey now...im no script kiddie..im a regular ole newb ;-) No, i totaly agree with you. I think that things like this proggy have the right intentions in mind, but like many have mentioned above, theyre flawed. Flawed so much that its just not feasble that theyve got all of these suits logging the IRC chats and such.. Does anyone know if they can log nextels DC chat? Or any phones chatting? Again, im no terrorist, and let them log me if they get their kicks, but thats also interesting if they can. I guess its just a matter of .....Quote:
Hey CIA, put down the confiscated dope your smokin, get in your little cars, and go do some real police work, your not going to find anything on IRC besides script kiddies. [/rant]
[unlikely reality]*knock knock* Hi *insert cell company here* were the FBI/CIA and were going to tap all of your customers phone lines....whats that? You dont want us to? Okay, you're out of business.....two weeks later company crashes in stock market...or all of its satelites explode......[/un-likely reality]
eh, i do think its about time we catch osama tho...Hes a 6'4" man on dialisys.....HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO SPOT HIM PEOPLE!!!!!
-z3
Lemme see now....Quote:
HOW HARD CAN IT BE TO SPOT HIM PEOPLE!!!!!
The FBI knew the county where the Atlanta Olympic Games bomber was hiding in North Carolina. In an area the size of a county it still took seven years to capture him....
Osama only has the world to hide in.....
Yeah, that should be real simple!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
Depends..... If you are chatting in the local coverage area the the data never leave the transcoders. If you chat outside the coverage areas then you cross a boundary that has FBI taps becasue your voice/data is converted for transmission via SS7 between COs and PCM through COs.Quote:
Does anyone know if they can log nextels DC chat
The Osama dilema is a good guage to present science fiction versus the governments real ability to track someone.
okay, i deserved that, but i guess the point i was trying to convey is this...Quote:
Lemme see now....
The FBI knew the county where the Atlanta Olympic Games bomber was hiding in North Carolina. In an area the size of a county it still took seven years to capture him....
Osama only has the world to hide in.....
Yeah, that should be real simple!!!!!!! :rolleyes:
True, its not as easy as science fiction to just have the cia 'know' where you are when they want to find you. I guess i feel that instead of programs like carnivore or the program (i read the article, and i forgot if they named the damned thing lol) in the article getting used to log everyone who is dumb enough to use IRC or AIM to talk about their master plans, and instead of preventing future attacks by new terrorists, why isnt the government spending money to stop the major terrorists now? If i were an up and coming terrorist and i opened the front page paper/ irc and found out x, y, and z huge name terrorists were killed/arrested by some government (prolly the us....but who knows) i would certainly get the hell out of the game. Ofcourse, i dont exactally have a cause i feel worth dying for, so i could be biased. Does anyone know if the government is funding that? (as opposed to 'preventative measures' ....ie carnivore, proggy in article, etc)
-z3
(((small sidenote, its been 3 years, only 4 left to go tiger ;-) :-) )))
Yes, thats because half of the AO senior member population, also some ex-members, & other random members... they all usually come and go through the Unerror IRC server or some other random place on the web. So yeah, esspecially while posting here, your bound to find your fellow lame-ass.Quote:
your not going to find anything on IRC besides script kiddies
Yeah, I remember the-rev was cool. And swift dDoSing unerror was the greatist thing that site had going for itself. JP, what the hell, A black person involved in some "drive-by"? :D What kinda ****ing profiling would that be?Quote:
Internationally famous hacker profiler, JP has ridiculed the FBI for incorrectly blaming Pimpshiz and The-Rev as being the Deceptive Duo. "Having applied my advanced ' hacker profiling techniques ' I was able to conclusively prove that the 'Dell Dude' and 'Dumb Bimbo' were in fact the Deceptive Duo. I have in fact photographic evidence. The attached picture shows the Deceptive Duo making their getaway following a recent ' drive by hacking ' of a commercial computer retailer establishment. I have not yet identified the older black gentleman that they were seen plotting with "
" I am by no means a criminal psychologist, or a behavioral scientist. What I'm going to describe in this special report is based on over 6 years of studying the "underground", and from talking with well over 7,000 different hackers " crowed JP. " In order to help the law enforcement community do better 'hacker profiling' I am making available copies of my patented ' hacker profiling techniques ' online....continued...
Several new plots have been stopped. People are being arrested. The latest and greatest was in England involving Al Queda. The media doesn't like to prop up those events. They might sway people into thinking Bush is doing a decent job, considering all factors.
How hard can it be to spot him? The russians were trying to do it for years before us and they couldn't do it either...
i have to say i'm more concerned about the money and time going into this project when there are so many flaws in such a surveillance system, as have been indicated - surely time would be better spent say providing homes for people? this kinda thing really frustrates me.
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they're on to us... i'd better report this back to headquarters