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Hehehehehehehhehehehehe. Choke on that Gentoo and RedHat.
You'll be coughing up the $160 then huh Gore..... ;)
Hey Hey,
The impressive thing about the way that SuSE is marketed, or protected, or liscensed I guess... is that it's a free OS still, even the professional version.
I spent hours on the phone with a SuSE rep trying to hammer out a deal to provide SuSE 9.1 Professional to about 500 students a few months ago... But we had crossed wires in our conversation...We ended up working out SuSE Enterprise Server with a few other items thrown in and then they just added SuSE. 9.1 Pro... The price..$1.79/student. Then the SuSE rep realized that we only really wanted SuSE 9.1 Pro and informed that we could purchase a single copy (or download it) and distribute it as we see fit. The reason is that 9.1 Pro is still entirely free... they charge for the support. When you fork out that $160.. it's for the support, the box and the media... We ended up purchasing a single copy rather than downloading it, to so at least some support... but it's something that really surprised and impressed me about them... I think that more Operating Systems should follow this line of reasoning.
Peace,
HT
HT:
Hows it's native support for laptops and linksys cards etc..... Is it a jump through hoops thing or a simple install and run thing?
For around $160 (not sure on the New Zealand to US Dollar rate) I will give it a try, I am paying around $250 for XP Pro..................
Wait, wait............my AO decoder ring is bleeping.............an urgent message from the maws of Hell?.......the IRS want to take me to lunch?...............hold it folks while I go check.................... :confused:
Hah..................S*C*O* (sorry folks, I had to censor this post, there are people without Coronor's certificates reading it) will give me $100,000,000 and unlimited file swapping amnesty if I allow them to give me their Unix products.............(damn I forgot to ask if they were talking US, CAN, AUS or NZ..................what is it about "NO" that they don't quite understand?)
On a serious note, yes, I know that purists might say that this is "prostitution" or whatever. My answer is that this is probably the only way that the open source community will get taken seriously.
The "older" management want a viable business partner and a CONTRACT.............Billy Windows has played on this fear for so long?
Nice heads up..........thanks Gore :)
That would be Enterprise Server, the Professional edition is 99 dollars and yes i will be coughing that up.Quote:
The Enterprise Server version of SUSE is still cheaper than the Desktop version of RedHat. And if they make the price 160, fine with me, I paid 300 for windows 2000, and that's only a Desktop, SUSE comes with server stuff.
For the other question about SUSE on Laptops, I installed it on mine without a problem, and you can use YAST2, which you update security patches and things with, to actually download Wireless NICs drivers and the Nvidia drivers for video cards.
They aren't allowed to put them on the CD like any other Linux isn't allowed to do, but they will download and install them for you.
So Tiger Shark, if you have problems it's because you don't know what you're doing, at which time for 10 dollars, you can drive north for 20 minutes with your laptop and I'll do it for you. :)
Hey Hey,Quote:
Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
HT:
Hows it's native support for laptops and linksys cards etc..... Is it a jump through hoops thing or a simple install and run thing?
It loves laptops.. APCI works wonderfully... I'm actualy responding from my Laptop running SuSE 9.2 Pro right now.
As for linksys.. they have no native linux driver support... My first wireless card was a USB Linksys device.. I could select usb (just generic and it worked fine)... then I get a linksys PCMCIA card... if you use ndiswrapper (simple install) and use the Windows driver... again I was up and wireless in about 5-10minutes including compile and download time... Now I've got a Cisco Aironet 350 series... and it detects it automatically when I plug it in... and adds it.. The only difficulty I'm having now is accessing a Protected EAP AP and that's only because I'm new to xsupplicant (a program which adds peap access to linux)... and that's not SuSE's fault... I work in an MS Environment and the only problem I have is accessing my printer because we have a 10 year old Minolta all in one in are office and I can't find a way to get it to work (it requires we authenticate against the domain and have an access code).. Evolution has the ximian-connector (renamed to evolution-exchange) so it has native Exchange Connectivity... I've installed Crossover Office so I have MS Office (Access support is still rather bad in Linux and we use it here) and I have IE 6 for testing my WebDev.
I've yet to run into problems with it... It has native support for the Broadcom NIC that comes in my laptop (something that even Windows XP doesn't have)... and it has utility suite that's installed if you have a Toshiba...
I've got mono installed so I can do C# development still (installed it through Red Carpet oddly enough (which I also used to install Exchange support)... I had Phoenix Object Basic.. but it requires an older lib and is available only as a binary so I have to compile an older lib to support it... it's a VB Clone and I have ASP under apache... So I can do full MS Dev at work.. no one complains that linux hinders me at all and my laptop has less problems now than it ever had with XP... KDE 3.3 is very nice... and yast makes it sweet... Little Red Icon in the tray for Important Updates and Yellow for non-critical updates and then green when you're good to go...
I love it.... If you want more just let me know... :)
Peace,
HT
HT:
I took a look at it..... Pain in the azz that the "try me" version is a 1.3G d/l for a DVD ISO.... :eek:
Now, it gives me an option to install direct from d/l.... Now I have this cute little laptop here with two partitions, one boots WinXP pro, (which I _don't_ want messed with), and a second partition with my previous foray into Linux, (Fedora Core 2), which I could happily replace. They boot off a boot loader, (Grub I think).
If I were to run that install would it recognize that I have that setup?
Would it give me the option of which partition to overwrite?
Would it replace the FC2 item in the grub loader itself or would I have to do something?
Would it still, even though it says it's doing stuff right, screw up my laptop?
Little gun-shy right now.... :o
lol, Make a backup!!! I have a Dell lappy and so far I haven't had an issue with any distro for the last 12 mos. I - like - Gore will be buying this one. Been on Red Hat for a Year, time to change? If you have the resource I prefer another hard disk. It's a snap to pop in Linux or Windows disk with laptops.
//Edit Gore that article doesn't pin down a price for Enterprise. The PRO version is 160.
"You will have to buy the Professional edition of Suse 9.2, due in January for around $160, to get the full range of features, plus discs and manuals."
I love seeing microsoft haventhis kind of competition.
Hey Hey,Quote:
Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
HT:
I took a look at it..... Pain in the azz that the "try me" version is a 1.3G d/l for a DVD ISO.... :eek:
Now, it gives me an option to install direct from d/l.... Now I have this cute little laptop here with two partitions, one boots WinXP pro, (which I _don't_ want messed with), and a second partition with my previous foray into Linux, (Fedora Core 2), which I could happily replace. They boot off a boot loader, (Grub I think).
If I were to run that install would it recognize that I have that setup?
Would it give me the option of which partition to overwrite?
Would it replace the FC2 item in the grub loader itself or would I have to do something?
Would it still, even though it says it's doing stuff right, screw up my laptop?
Little gun-shy right now.... :o
The Try Me Versions are awful.. I wouldnt' recommend them to anyone.. I had the 9.2 Live KDE and it sucked ass to be honest... it had no features.. it wa sfine if you wanted a basic computer system up and running quickly but it was slower than every other bootable distro.. on a PII 350 w/ 256MB of RAM it slowed to a crawl... They're live distro's aren't something to be proud of...
I'd recommend going to a BitTorrent site somewhere and downloading the ISOs... There's nothing illegal about it so why not... Either the 1 Full DVD or the 5 CDs... The FTP install works if you want to do it that way... but I like having the CDs.. too many times I've had connections drop during installs..
As for your questions... It will recognize your setup and even set your Windows drive to mount as /windows/<drive letter>
You can definately select which partition.. since one is already (most likely) reiser/ext it'll ask to install that one..
It will generate the boot loader of what exists on your drives... (install a new one basically with SuSE and Windows)..
It will NOT screw up your laptop... The install is (if anything) even more user friendly than a Windows install... (if you have a bit of computer knowledge... which I know you do)... I'd jump into it.. it'll rock your world and it's a piece of cake.
Peace,
HT
From SUSE / Novell :Quote:
Originally posted here by RoadClosed
lol, Make a backup!!! I have a Dell lappy and so far I haven't had an issue with any distro for the last 12 mos. I - like - Gore will be buying this one. Been on Red Hat for a Year, time to change? If you have the resource I prefer another hard disk. It's a snap to pop in Linux or Windows disk with laptops.
//Edit Gore that article doesn't pin down a price for Enterprise. The PRO version is 160.
"You will have to buy the Professional edition of Suse 9.2, due in January for around $160, to get the full range of features, plus discs and manuals."
SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2
SUSE® LINUX Professional 9.2 from Novell combines a fast, secure operating system and more than 1,000 popular open source applications. It is the first complete Linux* package to harness both the improved Linux kernel 2.6 and the recently enhanced KDE 3.3 and GNOME 2.6 user desktop environments.
more information
buy now
$89.95
160 more than likely is the Enterprise. It's almost always under 400.
http://www.novell.com/products/linux...l/pricing.html
I noticed that article was from down under, maybe that was the estimated price there? Or just a bad estimation all together. I like 90 MUCH better. :)
Well.... You *nixheads will be proud of me.....
I now have Nessus running for the first time in my life from a WEP encrypted wireless access point outside my firewall looking at my primary public server...... :D
I did the FTP install if SUSE 9.1, (I tried it at work first but the connection is frac T1 and used by 350 others.... So I aborted and took it home... Started the install, went out for dinner, came back and it was all done).
Like my first foray into *nix, (FC2), it is still far from Grannies OS, but with my previous experience it was a little easier. I had the same problem as I had with FC2 and the screen size which was fixed with a BIOS upgrade from A27 to A31, (somewhere in between a fix was put in just because of this linux issue). Then I had to get the Linksys wireless card up, (the broadcom built in card was immediately recognized and started). So I looked into ndiswrapper... Ahhh, one of those things you have to do a "Make" on.... Funny, make wasn't installed by default... To make a long story short, I think I found out what YaST is for.... :eek: I struggled for a good while with wpa-supplicant and came to the conclusion that the linksys driver doesn't like WPA under SUSE... It works fine in XP - *SHRUG* - the WAP is outside the firewall so WEP is good enough.
The problem I do see is that I connect to three WAPs and as far as I can see I'm going to have to reconfig wlan0 each time since it doesn't start automatically, (I have to modprobe ndiswrapper then route add default gateway 192.168.1.1 every time so I don't see that I could create wlan1, wlan 2 etc. and specify which in the modprobe command - any hints kids?
There's a couple of things I don't like... The touchpad is real squirrely under SUSE.. It jumps off target when I try to click things... The whole box has a tendency to hang a bit at times too so I close everything down back to the desktop and start again and it seems fine.
I do like that it automatically mounts my Windows partition, that's neat. And I really like the fact I can start running stuff like Nessus and Kismet, to name but a few.....
Now don't go thinking you have yourself a convert here...... I'm a Winhead all the way... SUSE is just a tool!!!! ;)
A statement like that makes me wonder who the real "tool" is.Quote:
Anyway, drive North for a little bit and I'll install Professional for you. You'll like it.
Always remember, most of your hardware was built for Windows only, and Linux still finds it, so go easy.
I have 9.1 Professional and I think you'd like that with a custom installation.
I thought professional was what I installed from the FTP setup????
How would I tell? (This stuff is easy in Win.... ;))
Anyway, I'm here now at the "satellite office" and it took about 90 seconds to reconfig for this network..... Is there a way to have mutliple WAPs set up and to have them autoconnect when they recognize them?
As for the "tool" comment.... If I came north I'd be using you as a tool.... and that's much more believable... ROFL
Hey Hey,
You could drive slightly north and pickup gore, and then come another hour north and meet me.. I've got the 9.2 Pro Discs here... All the over the counter Tylenol with Codeine that gore can handle and enough beer to get us through 100 SuSE installs.
As for your problem with the Wireless (needing to add the default route and modprobe)
I would create a series of scripts for each wireless connection... (this is why a friend of mine does)... or you can choose to go into Wireless setup in Control Centre (but not in the yast modules)... In there you can define 4 wireless profiles to use.. I prefer the script since I'm anti-gui....
if I were you I'd
ifdown eth0
modprobe ndiswrapper
ifup wlan0
This way you won't have to set your default route... It will use wlan0.. I always disable my Wired NIC before going wireless..
you could do something like this
create /usr/local/bin/wifi.sh
Then just chmod u+x /usr/local/bin/wifi.sh and wifi.sh (assuming it's in your path).Code:wifi.sh
#!/bin/bash
#Simple WiFi Setup Script
if [ -z $1]
then
echo "Please Specify a Network"
exit
elif [ -n $1 ]
then
network = $1
fi
ifdown eth0
modprobe ndiswrapper
ifdown wlan0 #Not sure if the modprobe will bring it up or not... I have a bad memory
case $network in
"home")
iwconfig wlan0 essid "ChangeMe"
iwconfig wlan0 key "some random key"
;;
"work")
iwconfig wlan0 essid "ChangeMe2"
iwconfig wlan0 key "Some other random key"
;;
"other")
iwconfig wlan0 essid "ChangeMe3"
iwconfig wlan0 key "3rd random key"
*)
echo "Unrecognized option... please use home, work or other"
;;
esac
ifup wlan0
echo "Network Configured"
Now I wrote that out in here... and I don't have a linux box running with wireless ATM (to lazy to pull out the laptop) but I believe it should work.. I'm not a linux god so someone else can clean that up if they want.
Peace,
HT
Well... Thanks for the script HT..... I dunno why but it just locked my box on full cpu/disk use and sat there for a few mins till I got bored and shut it down..... But have no fear, I took the appropriate part and created my own scripts to do what I wanted.... It works for me.....
I still wanna know how I can tell if I have the pro or the amatuer, (probably more appropriate for me ;)), version. I did the FTP install from the Pro page so I am assuming that I got the Pro version..... Any hints.....
And just to prove I'm using this and getting around it you will find my desktop snapshot attached.... You'd never guess it was mine.... I took the picture myself in the Bahamas 2 years ago..... I have lots of them but this one makes a really nice background..... :D
Now I have to work on installing progs from rpm's and then finding the damn things in this wierd file system.....
[Edit]
Damn.... I'm good. I edited that, saved it as a JPG, saved it to somewhere I could find and uploaded it..... All in SUSE..... I'm probably not 1337 yet.... But I'll get there.... ;)
[Edit]
Well... I'm thinking about installe Suse pro here on my main box... But I'm going to wait till after christmas, cuz I'm getting another hard drive, and will probably stop using my main 40 gig... I haven't really decided... Anything I need to know before I start? I have the Pro discs from when novell did the free thing...
Quote:
Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
Well... Thanks for the script HT..... I dunno why but it just locked my box on full cpu/disk use and sat there for a few mins till I got bored and shut it down..... But have no fear, I took the appropriate part and created my own scripts to do what I wanted.... It works for me.....
I still wanna know how I can tell if I have the pro or the amatuer, (probably more appropriate for me ;)), version. I did the FTP install from the Pro page so I am assuming that I got the Pro version..... Any hints.....
And just to prove I'm using this and getting around it you will find my desktop snapshot attached.... You'd never guess it was mine.... I took the picture myself in the Bahamas 2 years ago..... I have lots of them but this one makes a really nice background..... :D
Now I have to work on installing progs from rpm's and then finding the damn things in this wierd file system.....
[Edit]
Damn.... I'm good. I edited that, saved it as a JPG, saved it to somewhere I could find and uploaded it..... All in SUSE..... I'm probably not 1337 yet.... But I'll get there.... ;)
[Edit]
And a little child shall Grow.
So how is the file system weird? LOL this is somewhat entertaining seeing the Windows admin use something else for once. Tiger it bothers me that someone as old as you are has never used something UNIX based. Oh, you may have been a cheapo and not bought it, but see fi this works for you:
Open a Terminal, and type bb
Heh you'll love it.
Well... I was bored so I went ahead and started my install of SUSE.. I will probably have to reinstall after christmas, but oh well... Everything seems to be going fine... I'm installing the 9.1 pro I got from the Novell free thingy... DVD is GREAT! I don't have to sit and fiddle with it... I couldn't do the updates with YAST cuz of my net connection (dial up, no drivers for modem default) which sucked... I will end up having to find some way to burn em to a cd and then install them... How hard would it be to get all the updates installed by hand off a cd or something of the like?
See.... This is the kind of thing that bothers me..... I have a limited amount of time to devote to SUSE but I'm trying and I'm not utterly unimpressed but.....
I just used YaST to install ClamAV..... Should all be pretty simple.... and it went just that way.... Not a hitch, it did it's stuff and ended nicely.....
Now where the _hell_ is ClamAV.... This is ridiculous.... I spend the time to install a product and it takes longer searching throught the menu system looking for where on earth it put it only to find there is no reference to it whatsoever than it did to install the darned thing..... Of course, being the skilled and adept sysadmin I am, and being logged in as root because i am getting fed up of typing my frigging password in for every last thing I want to accomplish I open a shell and type "clamav".... or should it be "Clamav", or should it be ClamAv", or should it be "ClamAV"...... Funnily enough "clamfrigginav" doesn't work either...... Or, knowing the twisted logic of *nix should I now log out as root and log in as a lowly user because ClamAV won't run for an admin unless he issues a chmod or a chown or some other command that the install doesn't tell you about..... :rolleyes:
I am beginning to see a little bit of a trend though.... *nix is for people who have an abundance of time....
Why can't it have a simple list of installed programs that I can easily locate and execute?
Gore: Two things.... I tried installing linux some 10 years ago as a web server.... Following the "destructions" exactly the load would blow itself up during configuration every time... After 10 days of trying I gave up on it....
Secondly, were I to drive to your place and have you "set it up for me" how the hell am I supposed to learn this silly OS????
I guess that's.... er..... [/Rant].... ;)
Simple really, hand holding is for your lover, I'll only guide you. What I meant with setting it up for you:
I would do the installation from my DVDs for you and show you how the custom installation works and then show you how to use the applications. Then I would work with you and help you understand it in another way. I don't have a lot of time but I've managed to figure it out. You know how? I ****ed up an install of Free BSD once and it took all my partitions out, and I had nothnig else I could use for a while.
And sharky:
Go to yAST, go to Run Level Editor which is in one of the menus, and click on advanced, and then click on CalmAV and click on it to start in Run Level 3 and 5, then finish. Then you dont' have to start it, it will start on it's own every time you boot.
Linux has always been the OS for "patience". 10 Years ago eh? Damn Linux is very different now. Amazingly enought it copies the look and feel of windows with the enterprise versions where there are clones for almost everything.
Gore: Thanks.... That's another little "Mystery" solved...
I have a great idea for a Tutorial for you that would be of real use to me and maybe others..... Write something that explains the "equivalencies" between Win2k/XP and Linux. For example when I istall something it gets put in "program files"/appdir in win.... Where does it go in Linux? In windows when I want to start or stop a service I go to Services MMC, computer-properties- services etc. Where do I go in Linux. If i want to see running process and CPU usage I go to Task Manager via CTRL/ALT/DEL or whatever..... How would I do it in Linux....
That's the kind of thing I really need.... I know _what_ I want/need to do..... I just don't know how to accomplish the basic tasks. Wanna give it a go?
gore, I will consider you a god among men if you pull that kind of tut off. Ive asked my professors before and none can come up with -good- answers. then again theyn were all windows users trying to teach *nix
I'll think about it ;)
For now:
For things running on the system and info:
type top
in the Shell obviously
and then for services:
YAST2 play in there until you see something called "Run Level editor" and then click on that, after it loads, go to advanced at the top of the application, then from there, you have a bunch to shut down or turn on.
READ MY TUTORIAL CALLED SUSE BASICS!!! It tells you ones you can safely shut down and what to be sure you don't shut down.
Gore:
Top.... That's one of the gazillion things I was looking for.... Nice.... Silly question.... How the hell was anyone supposed to guess that "top" would be the command to "Show Running Processes/Tasks"???? ;) (just giving you a hard time)
TasksOrProcesses ;) Be creative
I did get creative.... I tried...
tasks
Tasks
processes
Processes
task manager
Task Manager
process manager
Process Manager
tasklist
TaskList
processlist
ProcessList
t
T
p
P
tm
TM
pm
PM
tl
TL
pl
PL
wtfaittl (where the foxx is the task list)
IGU (I give up)
hint
/hint
clue
/clue
noclue
screwed
dammit
stupid OS
illogical
Just _how_ creative do I have to be? ;)
try typing...
man
couldn't resist. :D
Err.... I typed all of those in Konsole, (ok, I lied... ;))..... just like I type taskmgr in a cmd prompt...... all rather simple really..... mgr is a standard abbreviation and task is pretty reasonable.... Top.... well.... TasksOrProcesses..... That's a bit of a stretch of even a creative mind..... :D
Not mine ;)
Did you try typing "RTFM" ? ;)
man man
man vim
Tiger Shark, don't you know by now
http://www.google.com/linux
:p
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/linux/cmd/
Or this might be betterCode:DOS Linux Notes
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ATTRIB (+-)attr file chmod <mode> file completely different
BACKUP tar -Mcvf device dir/ ditto
CD dirname\ cd dirname/ almost the same syntax
COPY file1 file2 cp file1 file2 ditto
DEL file rm file beware - no undelete
DELTREE dirname rm -R dirname/ ditto
DIR ls not exactly the same syntax
DIR file /S find . -name file completely different
EDIT file vi file I think you won't like it
jstar file feels like dos' edit
EDLIN file ed file forget it
FORMAT fdformat,
mount, umount quite different syntax
HELP command man command, same philosophy
info command
MD dirname mkdir dirname/ almost the same syntax
MORE < file less file much better
MOVE file1 file2 mv file1 file2 ditto
NUL /dev/null ditto
PRINT file lpr file ditto
PRN /dev/lp0,
/dev/lp1 ditto
RD dirname rmdir dirname/ almost the same syntax
REN file1 file2 mv file1 file2 not for multiple files
RESTORE tar -Mxpvf device different syntax
TYPE file less file much better
WIN startx poles apart!
http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/uni...dos_users.html