Why ppl come to Antionline ?

I thought twice for writing this but i think its gona end up with good results...
Its in connection to the negative antipoints i earned in one of the thread....... :mad:

I have been thinking why ppl. come to antionline n post thread n ask questions...... almost everything is available through Search Engine with proper searching technique...

N after asking this question to myself.... the answer came frm inside is this...

1) Although information is available on web but frm here i can narrow my search.
2) PPl here are working around in professional enviorment n can respond to me more accurately.
3) Sometimes a new concept or something new comes in ur knowledge after discussing.
4) You can have intereaction with others?
5) Sometimes u r on the wrong side so they will change ur opinion......
6) N mostly u get rite and precise answer to ur queries sometimes more quicker than Google.com

Wht u say abt this...... whts ur comment.....?

hmm.

My reply. Why do you write on such a professional level but still use things like "ppl", "n", "whts" etc.

I know my grammar and all is not of a very good level, but this is a forum not an conversation on msn or irc.

The reasons differ per person I think A number of them you already talked about but let me name a few more:

1. Community: People like hanging out with others that think mostly the same like they do.
2. Learning: Being here without even posting has learned me a lot. Simplely reading things that others post can be a huge source of information.
3. Helping others: The feeling you have tough someone something or helped him with something is a great reward by itself for some people.

There are probely many more reasons why someone would hang out here. Or on any forum in general anyway.

I hope you can fix the writing in your first post. When you do you'll get a few greenies from me. (not that I can really make a difference with them but..... meh)

Well the reason i am using ppl , n words like these is just because to save my time...... But apology for so much spell mistakes.... the reason same trying to write fast .

Hi

Moonwolf, I completely agree with your points. Especially the first one about "ppl", "u", "r", etc.
I would add the following:

I write something down, because it helps me, besides increasing my skills in written English,
to order my thoughts about a topic. And instead of writing it just
for oneself (and the documentation one may have to keep up-to-date),
why not sharing it with other people - some who might even appreciate and can
use it?


This brings me to my main point here:

If a thought is worth something (or you think so), then it is also worth to take
the time to write (or at least try to write) a well-formulated post!

Fanacool, "we" realise that you have used "u", "r" etc. to save time.

But remember two things:
- it takes me ("us"?) longer to read such texts - so I often skip them as a whole.
- it does not motivated me ("us"?) to answer. If you have written it in a hurry, why should
I take time to polish up an answer or write one at all? (Does this really have to be
said explicitly?)




Cheers

What the ****. The guy tried to make a post and get a good solid discusion going and you two ****nutz want to slam his writing style. If you dont want to actualy answer the question fin the original post or atleast have something constructive to say thenSHUT THE **** UP .

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it takes me ("us"?) longer to read such texts - so I often skip them as a whole

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Then skip this one as well jackass. Cut the guy a ****ing break.

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When you do you'll get a few greenies from me.

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A true bastardization of the AP system and what its all about. They are supposed to help us judge each others merit of posts not gramatical ability. And yes to whom it may concern this one post is an open flame on 2 certain individuals. And i know im not being anymore helpfull here than the other 2 **** nuts but for gods sake its getting old reading a thread that looks like it may be interesting and BOOM some idiot like theese 2 decide to hijack it with the intent of making themselves look better than the tread starter.


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FanacooL old chap, might I be permitted to attempt to answer your question?

You are from Karachi, and I am from Bridlington? we are not exactly next door neighbours....in fact it is rather a long swim? (meet you half way for a beer or three? :D )

We come here to communicate with each other; hopefully, to learn from one another? and to associate with like minded individuals.

I have commented in the past that there is a very positive spin off in talking with genuine people from other countries. I have learned lots of stuff that has nothing to do with computers :)

OK............your specific question:

When you come here you just might meet someone who has had exactly the same problem or question..........you could spend years on Google to get that?.......

Good luck

And DO NOT DARE LEAVE............you are my only man on the ground in Karachi

:D

All responses to "The Twin Towers" Langley, Virginia?

Adding to Nihil's very well stated post, I submit this for your viewing pleasure:

I come here to help others, to get help when I 'smack the wall' and can't see my way through a problem, and to kick around ideas in general. There's a reason that for every technical post I make, there's about 3 that fall into 'general computer discussions, chit chat, or cosmos' - That reason is I enjoy reading over other's ideas and beliefs, to either enhance my own, sharpen my debate skills, or provide instruction to those who seek it (or in some cases those who aren't, but deserve the lecture anyhow). It is my firm belief that the global community will overcome the petty bs that's been causing so many wars for such a long time by communication and understanding. Forums like this are the beginnings of that communication - It starts with useful information exchange - how do I fix this, or how do I change that - then evolves into something more.

Back on the technical side, sometimes Google doesn't help. It's difficult wading through the muck and petty crap out there to find the gem you need to fix an issue. MUCH faster to come here and ask after it...just be sure to at least look at Google first.

Regarding the neg ap's you received...surely they weren't for grammar alone? To avoid them in the future, I'd suggest reading the 'stickies' at the top of the forums. If you've already read them, re-read them, then look back at the circumstances in which you got negged - see if you can spot what went wrong.

luck to you!

<--- Left, Banned, The Works

Why come back? It's very hard to find an internet forum with so much activity - as dull and repetitive as it may be - as this one has. This forum has everything from the dumbest and most simple questions to the very bright and intelligent tutorials (sec_ware ;) ).

Even though I am explaining for the nth time how to get rid of a X malware or how to install Y software, it is still fun knowing that I am helping someone as clueless as they maybe. And even now and then there is a discussion here that spark some interest and I'll get to try something new so I stick around...

Find me a better and more diverse forum and I'll leave - which may be this upcoming March or May or whenever JP is scheduled to launch his new security site.

Nihil Me likely to have the same feeling for u :o

Well the only reason why i started this thread is that i want to point out to the person who gave me negative points that yes google is there for help but antionline is a better option to start with........ in my opinion only......

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Negative points were given to me saying should do the research on my own on google rather than asking here..... he said i dont like ppl who dont do research n blap blap.....

Anyways its goood , no matter i get positive points or not i m here to help with all i have n will ask help frm u ppl in my problems...... all i hate is getting those negative cause this will result in ban......

I feel comfortable in writing short so i will continue doing that...... ok :)

I come to AO because there is always someone here who has been thru the problem i am having and it helps me out that other people can help me :-)

The salad bar. I like the Salad bar.

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The salad bar. I like the Salad bar.

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nah..that ones okay but I like the taco bar! lol

I come here to learn, waste time, get a few laughs< like the one above lol>, etc. But hey all is good.

The beer is nice too

I come here for the women!

And for learning.

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I come here for the women!

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am I missing something here? ;)

yeah, how come no one told me about the /priv/pr0n/ section of the site ;)

Sometimes i think people just come here to belong to something.
You know maybe some kid just finds some comfort being able to talk to people of such diversity when he is just a little student lacky who lives in his parents basement all alone.

By Crum and the great powers bestowed upon me, I declare this thread to remain closed! :D This thread has turned into some kind of goddamn coffe-house, latte-drinking, tell each other our problems freak show! ;)
Btw: Negative let me mod while he was out! I run a tight ship around here guys! Don't make me start kicking ass and taking handles!

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Hey Hey,

I'm known for destroying threads in Cosmos... but this time I'm going to try and bring it back on discussion because i think it has some merit...Btw I'm glad to see the no APs in cosmos was followed... then again this thread should probably be in GCC...

I have to agree that seeing people use short forms like 'ppl', 'wht', 'n', 'r', 'u' really saddens me... I truly love the English language and while I'm by no means a master of it... I can't stand to see it butchered. FanacooL's speech patterns remind me of NFG (for those that remember that bout).. I've used this threat before... and I think it's about time I use it again. I'm going to start negging the **** out of people that insist on using short forms and making their posts illegible. I can forgive those that have a first language other than English.... but not those that butcher the language for no valid reason. I sit with a dictionary when I write my posts and even if a word looks wrong... I'll look it up... This is the internet... written communication is a big part of how people perceive us. I bitch at my friends when they use short forms... so I'm sure as hell going to bitch at someone who uses them on here. I can't respect you, or properly respond to your post when I don't take you seriously and how can I take you seriously when my 10 year old sister is a better typist than you are? I honestly don't think it's too much to ask to type out the whole word instead of parts of it. I type in excess of 140wpm... I'd assume that most visitors to this site can type at somewhere around 60wpm... (My 75 year old grandmother types at 45wpm).. If you type at those speeds or above.... it's definately not going to waste any of your time to complete your words, but it definately wastes my time trying to decipher your BS... There have been several threads that I have chosen not to reply to because of the language in them... If you want to lose valuable responses that's your choice, but how about showing a little respect for your fellow forum members.

As for your post..... Why do people come to AntiOnline?

Based on responses I've had to my comments about AO in the past I'm going to say the community.... We can see by who the members are that security is definately not the driving force behind this site (which is why it's a little misleading).. AO is a tech support forum and nothing else... Occasionally there are glimmers of intelligence but they are few and far between (and falling even further apart as people pollute the boards with mindless, indecipherable drivel). I personally visit AO because I love helping people... Hell I'm working a tech support job and doing extra (unpaid) hours because I love it so much, so why wouldn't I love being here. I also like to occasionally use it as a sounding board for ideas. I post tutorials I write here first because I know they'll be criticised more harshly than elsewhere... I post for ideas and help because even if the majority of people are here for tech support there are a few that know what they are doing... and the PM system is a great way to contact some of the people here that still haven't moved into the IM age (looks at some of the old timers). As much as I want this to be a security only website, AO is definately a great place for social networking... Sure there are lots of little kids there, but the majority of the members are great people... So great in fact that I'm proposing a group meeting for those interested here... I know I'm located centrally for at least 4 members and probably quite a few more... I've got more than enough room for sleeping bags... Lots of fridge space for beer... I'm an expert bartender and my gf is just finishing up Culinary school... We've got plenty of open ports/wireless for laptops and a 144" screen in the living room for movies (or presentations if you want to have a geek party).. If anyone is seriously interested... let me know and I'll post something in GCC/Addicts and whoever can come is welcome.. I'll put everyone up and we'll just BBQ lots of hot dogs and hamburgers (unless we can sweet talk my gf into cooking).

Anyways...

Peace
HT

HTRegz well u really type fast.... anyways short words hmhm.... then why BBQ why not the whole word...... Getting these replies led me to one point why AO has this thing called Post A Quick Reply...... Why this quick reply ?....... Well as you said community ..... Dont you think so its a place where people share there thoughts problems and other feelings..... If Yes.... Then one has its own way of expressing one's feelings...... As you used the word BBQ instead of Bar-B-Q... I use u instead of you and R instead of Are ... And one more thing have u ever read the signature of one of the member rajunpl..
Anways
As u :-) said Peace

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Originally posted here by FanacooL
HTRegz well u really type fast.... anyways short words hmhm.... then why BBQ why not the whole word...... Getting these replies led me to one point why AO has this thing called Post A Quick Reply...... Why this quick reply ?....... Well as you said community ..... Dont you think so its a place where people share there thoughts problems and other feelings..... If Yes.... Then one has its own way of expressing one's feelings...... As you used the word BBQ instead of Bar-B-Q... I use u instead of you and R instead of Are ... And one more thing have u ever read the signature of one of the member rajunpl..
Anways
As u :-) said Peace

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Hey Hey,

BBQ is recognized by most, if not all, english speaking people.. Bar-B-Q is also an abbreviation and one that I've never see... the full word is barbeque. And it's not a butchered word (like u and r)... it's a recognized abbreviation/acronym... As for quick reply.. That's so you can type out a reply quickly without having things like the site code tags and file attachment available... It saves you from loading another page, it doesn't mean here butcher the language.

If you were going to try and make a point then you should have used BTW (which I used)... it would have been a much better one, however it's still a recognized acronym... not something little kids type because it makes them 'cool'..

As I said I'll neg anyone I see who is too lazy to type full words... Use all the abbreviations and acronyms you want... but ppl is laziness... and u and r are letters.

Peace,
HT

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As I said I'll neg anyone I see who is too lazy to type full words... Use all the abbreviations and acronyms you want..

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Well then, Mr. Spelling Police, could you please provide a list of which acronyms you will allow us to use and which ones you will not?

Or will we be subject to your whims alone when deciding to use a short form?

What you are proposing is no better than people using skiddie speak to make themselves look cool. You expect us to all have a predefined list of what is proper abbreviation use on this site and what is not. Those who are unaware of such list will belong to the lower class. The only difference between your way and the skiddie way is a different set of grammar and abbreviation usage rules. However, the concept remains the same. You believe you are better because you use a higher form of language.

I still see once in a while an acronym of which I am unaware of and must look it up in one of the numerous netiquette guides available. Ones that everyone uses, but I can't remember because there's just too many of them. I understand your point where a post is so butchered it becomes difficult to read even for those of us speaking fluent English, and I can only image what it must be like for those of us without it. But what you are trying to enforce is just another way of separating yourself from those you believe to be beneath you based only on thier usage of language.

Don't you have bigger problems than the abbreviation usage of someone you've never met?

So until you can provide a list of specifically which acronyms we are permitted to use, I suggest you refrain from enforcing your rules.

BTW (no pun intended), I'm going home to Brampton for the holidays. If you host a get together I would definitely come if I am able to, sometime during the last weeks of December would be good.

You are writing Peace at the end of your post and on the other hand starting a war now thats something cool..... anyways do u have any habit thats been there from quite a long time say suppose 5-8 years or so..... n someone say forbid it...... i think would be very difficult ..... Same with me...... And im not what you call butchering the words its just when i type something at one sitting or like i normal way of writing or rather talking with some one else..... Now i know how important is this to use full words or present the language in its original format..... And you can see that from my tutorial i try to present things in a manner full way......

Its my habit and may be doesn't look good at AO but only thing i would say is that there is no rule define here at AO regarding the short writing or stuff like that... if there had been then certainly one would try to avoid this..... If you'r really hurt by that then try putting it in Rules and Regulation of AO.

Fanacool, that last post you did is actually pretty decent. I personally don't think there is anything wrong with using an occassional abbreviation. However, I don't think a whole post should be done in "IM language". There should be a certain level of "professionalism" when we use the internet to convey ideas. IM arose out of a need (when ICQ was entirely dependent on the packet size of UDP and limited the number of characters to be transmitted between "IMers"). You don't have those restrictions here. Certainly it may speed up your typing but if you practise (i.e., use full words with minimal abbreviations when posting) over time your speed will increase. I learned to type fast with "proper english" in IRC. I use my fair share of abbreviations that are common but not to the extent of the first post here.

I also don't think this is "starting a war" by opening up this discussion. We shouldn't be afraid of opening discussions up and presenting our ideas. Personally, it's a pet peeve of mine ever since I got a full essay (yes, an essay worth marks) submitted entirely in IM (I always heard of these but thought they were myths). While I take more stock in the information someone provides, it does indicate to me that someone takes pride in what they post if they take the time to present their viewpoint or idea in a well-thought out manner. Perhaps that's just my educational side showing.

As for the topic at hand, I think many come looking for security or help in dealing with an issue (security or otherwise related) and end up staying because of the community (I know, HTRegz, it's not about security -- we've beaten that one to death a few times I think). That's certainly what happened to me. Granted there are exceptions. I'm rather convinced that HTRegz just likes to come and bitch at us because he "lurves" us so much. ;)

I don't think there is anything wrong with this being a good computer community where ideas can be shared. The reality is that security does go through everything from how you deal and troubleshoot hardware (do you lock up your hardware at night?) to how you deal with the nitwit who installed the All-in-One Wonder Card and wonders if he can purchase more IRQs since he's now used them up (real story! I swear! He was sent to Radio Shack because they sell them in packs of 15 and 25, don'tcha know? :D)

M R Ducks
M R Not Ducks
I S A R
L I B
M R Ducks.

Old Joke and a note that to be unerstood and respected you have to communicate outside of the cave.

For those who want a reference as to WTF RoadClosed is yammerin' about see the following:

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Source: UptownCity: Southern Humor

This is two Louisiana duck hunters talking to one another and what they are really saying is:
MR DUCKS
MR NOT DUCKS
SMR DUCKS
MR NOT DUCKS
OSMR
CM WANGS
CDEDBD FEET
LIB MR DUCKS

Them are ducks.
Them are not ducks.
Yes them are ducks!
Them are not ducks!
Oh, yes them are,
See them wings,
See the itty bitty feet.
Well, I’ll be, them ARE ducks!

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lol. I was waiting for someone to ask. :p

Make sure you say it with a thick southern American Accent. Little different from my version passed on by some drunk in a pub.

Quotations from Johnny Cace's business card (a big cajun restaurant in my area)....

Saville, dar dey go
a tousan busses in a roe
Nojo, dems not busses dems trucks
summit cousin summit ducks.

(Say Bill, there they go, a thousand busses in a row. No Joe, thems not busses, thems trucks. Some with cows and some with ducks.)

Not too bad for cajunspeak. The card actually continues on with the MR Not Ducks bit afterward..

Well, offcourse not a war but if someone tends to assign negative on this then certainly its not fair..... 'cause it hurst (me)..... But Anways my reason on raising this conversation really conclude my point..... That it is the ease of getting answer to your question....no matter what they are?....
Thanks everyone ..... No harsh feelings for anybody ......
Cheers .

to anwser the first question;
it's simple: addiction

For me it's boredom, which I have to be pretty bored to be browsing Cosmos now...but then who can complain, it's the internet.

For me it's simple...I'm a member of 5 computer forums because I want to learn as much as I can in the least amount of time possible.
I'm over fourty on my way to fifty and didn't even have a computer until about six mths ago, I've got two young daughters who are using computers in SK and grade one.
I didn't have the advantage of computer training in school so these forums serve as my teachers and I do consider myself as a student.
Sometimes I ask stupid questions or questions that someone with some training would assume to be obvious...but nothing is obvious when you start out from nothing. And I find the people at these forums tend to be less critical of stupid questions.
I became a member of this forum because I had a security question and this seemed to be the best place to ask a security question. Now that I'm in the door I'll look around and check out the threads and see if I can find my way around to sticking around.
I think most people come to these forums initially because they have a question...then they decide how long they are going to stay.
Every forum I belong to has the same problem...they have thousands of members, thousands of guests browsing, yet less than fifty members which can be considered active and fewer than twenty members who can confidently and skillfully answer questions. Because most people just browse or post then leave and you don't see them again until they need your help.
I may not be much help in answering questions right now but I do plan on sticking around. :D

The homemade granola about does it for me.

like some one above said it is all about the people and the help they can do , i was help out of a lot of fixs by MSmitten,undertaker,gore ,swordfish,nihil roadcllosed tigershark and many more .....its a place to get the most correct answers to your problems and that too the fastest..
like nihil said a swim from bombay to newyork is a big one and so AO provides a gr8 way to ease the differences
i love AO
i am addicted to it!!!
as long ve the will to learn i'll be here

your's faithfully
yourdeadin

I'm here for the free drink.
Roadclosed and Nihil did ye get the pints of guinness i sent fresh from ST James Gate brewry. I sent them by the way of the north pole to make sure they were properly cooled when they arrived. Just hope thoese bleeding santa elves didnt intercept them... :p