Stupid Students..

Since we have a thread about "stupied teachers" I think it's only fair that I get to whine about stupid students...

Case in point, today was my last lecture day for my Intro to Security class. I had two students from my Advanced class walk in while I'm in mid-lecture and begin to tell me why they were handing in their assignment to me. "Err... I'm lecturing...". They then look and realize.. oops.

It's even more fun when I have a full class and students ask if they can use a computer. To which I usually reply "You are more than welcomed to but this is the wargames. If they toast your machine, I don't want to hear any whining or bitching about it". Without fail, some poor soul who decides to stay get's hosed and whines to me... "MY FINAL REPORT!!!" can be heard from the backrow. (This is my problem why?)

I tell students when lecture "THIS WILL BE ON YOUR TEST/FINAL". When I hand out the test with a question that is specific to what I identified (e.g., name the 4 authentication types -- what you know, what you are, what you do and what you have) I hear "Miss, we didn't study this" (and gawd forbid they look at the colourful slides I did that has a specific slide to each question). Of course along with this is the line "We have an assignment due tomorrow?!!?" eventhough that has been up on the course website for 6 weeks, I've announced it in two classes and sent out an email.

I suppose I should be forgiving however. I mean the first semester I started teaching here I was thrown into Windows 2000 course. First question from a student was "Miss, do I need a hard drive to install the OS?"

There is a reason why we repeat things so many times... trust me. :D

Thank you for spelling "Stupid" correctly! ;)

Back in my college days I got tapped by a professor to teach a 'continuing ed' course in 'introduction to computers'. My class was comprised of 35 students, ranging from age 50 to 75. The stupidity never goes away MsMittens... Thanks for the memories!

"This little picture is called an icon. It, and the others like it all live on the desktop..."

Alright fair is fair. Don't forget students also have to put up with other students.

You got to love those people who feel they have to prove themselves to everyone else by constantly telling you how they have done something better.
"Oh you install that P4 chip that's nothing i'm got my new AMD 64 and since it runs AMD is sooo much better at games." Please .

Then you have those people that are just plain dumb. The recent event was some kid pronoucing cache as casha instead of just cash. Oi!

Then there are those that just can't shower enough and are greasy.

And those who can't follow a basic tutorial on how to install phpbb. ;)

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And those who can't follow a basic tutorial on how to install phpbb.

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and all those people who can't guide a person through a simple forum.

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and all those people who can't guide a person through a simple forum.

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A little bitter, are we? ;)

Personally, I think we all have our "blond" moments, whether as a teacher or as a student. The trick is to have a giggle at it, continue to enjoy learning and find new things to be curious about, even if we go over it a thousand times. :D

Hmm i'm seeing a lot of agreement here.
I don't know about this if the student and teacher at peace this may cause sometype of catastrophic event throwing the universe into chaos.

Fair enough on both sides, but I would love to see more compromising between the two, and see some students accept it when they're wrong, and the teachers to get off their high horse and admit it when they're wrong.

well that's fair ennough i am a very stuipid student . al most all my lecturers tell me that

Hey Hey,

Everyone knows the teachers and students are all stupid... that's why even in college's with large IT faculties an IT Dept. is required.

I support IT students and non-IT students and sadly enough the really dumb questions always come from the IT students.

Conversation with a non-IT student

Student: So why wasn't my computer going on the net
Me: You had a bunch of malware... you know spyware, adware and crap like that.
S: How do you get that stuff?
M: Surfing the net, downloading over P2P software, there's several ways to get it.
S: How did you get rid of it... can I get rid of it on my own?
M: I used a few programs (list of programs like Spybot, AdAware, HJT and others and how to install them)
S: Great and thanks again.

Same conversation with an IT student
Student: So why wasn't my computer conneting to the network
Me: It was, you had a bunch of malware so you couldn't load websites.
S: That's not possible I have four firewalls, three AVs and I personally inspect every 1 & 0 before it enters my computer.
M: Well I'm just telling you what's on there..
S: I was obviously hacked... Someone hacked me and put this on there... You should really do something about this if they were good enough to hack me they're prolly hacking everything.
M (Rolling eyes): Sure... whatever you say... have a good day.
S: Btw I'm having problems with Visual Studio can you fix that while I'm here
M: I'm not really a programmer I don't deal with that software.
S: Please.. I have a project due in 10 minutes and I really need this to work.
M (After double clicking the link to load the software): There you go... it works fine
S: Sure everything works in here, you guys have something special that makes computers work
M (Booting the student out the door): have a good day.

I have to say I've found programming students to be the worst... Compare them with a Networking or Internet Technologist or plain old technologist and the programmers are definately the worst.... I've never met a less intelligent group of people (other than... insert some anti-american comment here just so people know it's me :P j/k )...

However we also have profs who are the same.... The guy I work with supports faculty... He get's calls because accounts on AD are locked out regulary (this shouldn't be that difficult)... Faculty that want to use their laptop but can't connect it to the VGA connection for the projector (Yes it's all hooked up... they simply have to plug it in).. Faculty that can't operate remotes and VCRs... Although some of the IT Faculty are something else also... The programming profs send students with VS .Net problems to us because they don't know how to solve them... (even though they teach in that environment). We have networking profs that tell us it's impossible to sniff through a switch one class and then the next tell us that sniffing a switch is the exact same as sniffing a hub (using something like ethereal with no arp poisoning or anything of the sort). We had a prof tell us once that IPv4 and IPv6 cannot connect to each other in any way... Yet I was sitting on Efnet at the time which has both IPv4 and IPv6 servers... I used to paste some of the lectures onto IRC because the words that come out of their mouths are ridiculous...

In the end the only reliable people are the IT support staff... no one else has a clue :D

Peace,
HT

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Miss, do I need a hard drive to install the OS?"

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At the risk of impertinence............what was your reply?

:D